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A59095 Table-talk, being discourses of John Seldon, Esq or his sense of various matters of weight and high consequence, relating especially to religion and state. Selden, John, 1584-1654. 1696 (1696) Wing S2438; ESTC R3639 74,052 204

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has Stone whipt Stones cries I might have called my Lord of Salisbury Fool often enough before he would have had me whipt 3. Speak not ill of a great Enemy but rather give him good Words that he may use you the better if you chance to fall into his Hands the Spaniard did this when he was dying his Confessor told him to work him to Repentance how the Devil tormented the wicked that went to Hell the Spaniard replying called the Devil my Lord. I hope my Lord the Devil is not so cruel his Confessor reproved him Excuse me said the Don for calling him so I know not into what Hands I may fall and if I happen into his I hope he will use me the better for giving him good words Excommunication 1. THat place they bring for Excommunication put away from among your selves that wicked Person 1 Cor. 5. Cha. 13. Verse is corrupted in the Greek for it should be 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 put away that Evil from among you not 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 that Evil Person besides 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is the Devil in Scripture and it may be so taken there and there is a new Edition of Theodoret come out that has it right 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 'T is true the Christians before the Civil State became Christian did by Covenant and Agreement set down how they should live and he that did not observe what they agreed upon should come no more amongst them that is be Excommunicated Such Men are spoken of by the Apostle Romans 1. 31. whom he calls 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the Vulgar has it Incomposit sine faedre the last Word is pretty well but the first not at all Origen in his Book against Celsus speaks of the Christians 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the Translation renders it Conventus as it signifies a Meeting when it is plain it signifies a Covenant and the English Bible turned the other Word well Covenant-breakers Pliny tells us the Christians took an Oath amongst themselves to live thus and thus 2. The other place Dic Ecclesiae tell the Church is but a weak Ground to raise Excommunication upon especially from the Sacrament the lesser Excommunication since when that was spoken the Sacrament was instituted The Jews Ecclesia was their Sanhedrim their Court so that the meaning is if after once or twice Admonition this Brother will not be reclaim'd bring him thither 3. The first Excommunication was 180 Years after Christ and that by Victor Bishop of Rome But that was no more than this that they should Communicate and receive the Sacrament amongst themselves not with those of the other Opinion The Controversie as I take it being about the Feast of Easter Men do not care for Excommunication because they are shut out of the Church or delivered up to Satan but because the Law of the Kingdom takes hold of them after so many Days a Man cannot Sue no not for his Wife if you take her from him and there may be as much reason to grant it for a small Fault if there be contumacy as for a great one In Wectminster-Hall you may Out-law a Man for forty Shillings which is their Excommunication and you can do no more for Forty Thousand Pound 4. When Constantine became Christian he so fell in love with the Clergy that he let them be Judges of all things but that continued not above three or four Years by reason they were to be Judges of Matters they understood not and then they were allowed to meddle with nothing but Religion all Jurisdiction belonged to him and he scanted them out as much as he pleas'd and so things have since continued They Excommunicate for three or four Things Matters concerning Adultery Tythes Wills c. which is the civil Punishment the State allows for such Faults If a Bishop Excommunicate a Man for what he ought not the Judge has Power to absolve and punish the Bishop if they had that Jurisdiction from God why does not the Church Excommunicate for Murder for Theft If the Civil Power might take away all but three Things why may they not take them away too If this Excommunication were taken away the Presbyters would be quiet 't is that they have a mind to 't is that they would fain be at Like the Wench that was to be Married she ask'd her Mother when 't was done if she should go to Bed presently no says her Mother you must dine first and then to Bed Mother no you must dance after Dinner and then to Bed Mother no you must go to Supper and then to Bed Mother c. Faith and Works 1. T Was an unhappy Division that has been made between Faith and Works tho' in my Intellect I may divide them just as in the Candle I know there is both Light and Heat But yet put out the Candle and they are both gone one remains not without the other So 't is betwixt Faith and Works nay in a right Conception Fides est opus if I believe a thing because I am commanded that is Opus Fasting-Days 1. WHat the Church debars us one Day she gives us leave to take out in another First we fast and then we feast first there is a Carnival and then a Lent 2. Whether do Humane Laws bind the Conscience If they do 't is a way to ensnare If we say they do not we open the Door to Disobedience Answ. In this Case we must look to the Justice of the Law and intention of the Law-giver if there be no Justice in the Law 't is not to be obey'd if the intention of the Law-giver be absolute our Obedience must be so too If the intention of the Law-giver enjoyn a Penalty as a Compensation for the Breach of the Law I sin not if I submit to the Penalty if it enjoyn a Penalty as a future enforcement of Obedience to the Law then ought I to observe it which may be known by the often repetition of the Law The way of fasting is enjoyn'd unto them who yet do not observe it The Law enjoyns a Penalty as an enforcement to Obedience which intention appears by the often calling upon us to keep that Law by the King and the Dispensation of the Church to such as are not able to keep it as young Children old Folks diseas'd Men c. Fathers and Sons 1. IT hath ever been the way for Fathers to bind their Sons to strengthen this by the Law of the Land every one at Twelve Years of Age is to take the Oath of Allegiance in Court-Leets whereby he swears Obedience to the King Fines 1. THe old Law was that when a Man was Fin'd he was to be Fin'd Salvo Conteneniento so as his Countenance might be safe taking Countenance in the same sense as your Country-Man does when he says if you will come unto my House I will shew you the best Countenance I can that is not the best Face but the best Entertainment
Temporal Lords Answ. We do not pretend they have that Power the same Way but they have a Right He that has an Office in Westminster-Hall for his Life the Office is as much his as his Land is his that hath Land by Inheritance 7. Whether had the inferior Clergy ever any thing to do in the Parliament Answ. No no otherwise than thus There were certain of the Clergy that used to assemble near the Parliament with whom the Bishops upon occasion might consult but there were none of the Convocation as 't was afterwards settled viz. the Dean the Arch-Deacon one for the Chapter and two for the Diocess but it happened by continuance of time to save Charges and Trouble their Voices and the Consent of the whole Clergy were involved in the Bishops and at this Day the Bishops Writs run to bring all these to the Parliament but the Bishops themselves stand for all 8. Bishops were formerly one of these two Conditions either Men bred Canonists and Civilians sent up and down Ambassadors to Rome and other Parts and so by their Merit came to that Greatness or else great Noble Men's Sons Brothers and Nephews and so born to govern the State Now they are of a low Condition their Education nothing of that way he gets a Living and then a greater Living and then a greater than that and so comes to govern 9. Bishops are now unfit to Govern because of their Learning they are bred up in another Law they run to the Text for something done amongst the Jews that nothing concerns England 't is just as if a Man would have a Kettle and he would not go to our Brazier to have it made as they make Kettles but he would have it made as Hiram made his Brass-work who wrought in Solomon's Temple 10. To take away Bishops Votes is but the beginning to take them away for then they can be no longer useful to the King or State 'T is but like the little Wimble to let in the greater Anger Objection But they are but for their Life and that makes them always go for the King as he will have them Answer This is against a Double Charity for you must always suppose a bad King and bad Bishops Then again whether will a Man be sooner content himself should be made a Slave or his Son after him when we talk of our Children we mean our selves besides they that have Posterity are more obliged to the King than they that are only for themselves in all the Reason in the World 11. How shall the Clergy be in the Parliament if the Bishops are taken away Answer By the Laity because the Bishops in whom the rest of the Clergy are included are sent to the taking away their own Votes by being involv'd in the major Part of the House This follows naturally 12. The Bishops being put out of the House whom will they lay the Fault upon now When the Dog is beat out of the Room where will they lay the Stink Bishops out of the Parliament 1. IN the beginning Bishops and Presbyters were alike like the Gentlemen in the Country whereof one is made Deputy Lieutenant and another Justice of Peace so one is made a Bishop another a Dean and that kind of Government by Arch-bishops and Bishops no doubt came in in imitation of the Temporal Government not Jure Divino In time of the Roman Empire where they had a Legatus there they placed an Arch-Bishop where they had a Rector there a Bishop that every one might be instructed in Christianity which now they had received into the Empire 2. They that speak ingeniously of Bishops and Presbyters say that a Bishop is a great Presbyter and during the time of his being Bishop above a Presbyter as your President of the Colledge of Physicians is above the rest yet he himself is no more than a Doctor of Physick 3. The Words Bishop and Presbyter are promiscuously used that is confessed by all and tho' the Word Bishop be in Timothy and Titus yet that will not prove the Bishops ought to have a Jurisdiction over the Presbyter tho' Timothy or Titus had by the Order that was given them some Body must take care of the rest and that Jurisdiction was but to Excommunicate and that was but to tell them they should come no more into their Company Or grant they did make Canons one for another before they came to be in the State does it follow they must do so when the State has receiv'd them into it What if Timothy had power in Ephesus and Titus in Creet over the Presbyters Does it follow therefore the Bishops must have the same in England Must we be govern'd like Ephesus and Creet 4. However some of the Bishops pretend to be Jure Divino yet the Practice of the Kingdom had ever been otherwise for whatever Bishops do otherwise than the Law permits Westminster-Hall can controul or send them to absolve c. 5. He that goes about to prove Bishops Jure Divino does as a Man that having a Sword shall strike it against an Anvil if he strikes it a while there he may peradventure loosen it tho' it be never so well riveted 't will serve to strike another Sword or cut Flesh but not against an Anvel 6. If you should say you hold your Land by Moses or God's Law and would try it by that you may perhaps lose but by the Law of the Kingdom you are sure of it so may the Bishops by this Plea of Jure Divino lose all The Pope had as good a Title by the Law of England as could be had had he not left that and claim'd by Power from God 7. There is no Government enjoyn'd by Example but by Precept it does not follow we must have Bishops still because we have had them so long They are equally mad who say Bishops are so Jure Divino that they must be continued and they who say they are so Antichristian that they must be put away all is as the State pleases 8. To have no Ministers but Presbyters 't is as in the Temporal State they should have no Officers but Constables Bishops do best stand with Monarchy that as amongst the Laity you have Dukes Lords Lieutenants Judges c. to send down the King's Pleasure to his Subjects so you have Bishops to govern the inferiour Clergy These upon occasion may address themselves to the King otherwise every Person of the Parish must come and run up to the Court. 9. The Protestants have no Bishops in France because they live in a Catholick Country and they will not have Catholick Bishops therefore they must govern themselves as well as they may 10. What is that to the purpose to what End were Bishops Lands given to them at first you must look to the Law and Custom of the Place What is that to any Temporal Lord's Estate how Lands were first divided or how in William the Conquerours Days And if Men
settled and then you may flourish upon your various Lections 14. The Apocrypha is bound with the Bibles of all Churches that have been hitherto Why should we leave it out The Church of Rome has her Apocrypha viz. Susanna and Bell and the Dragon which she does not esteem equally with the rest of those Books that we call Apocrypha Bishops before the Parliament 1. A Bishop as a Bishop had never any Ecclesiastical Jurisdiction For as soon as he was Electus Confirmatus that is after the three Proclamations in Bow-Church he might exercise Jurisdiction before he was consecrated not till then he was no Bishop neither could he give Orders Besides Suffragans were Bishops and they never claim'd any Jurisdiction 2. Anciently the Noble-Men lay within the City for Safety and Security The Bishops Houses were by the Water-side because they were held sacred Persons which no body would hurt 3. There was some Sense for Commendams at first when there was a Living void and never a Clerk to serve it the Bishops were to keep it till they found a fit Man but now 't is a Trick for the Bishop to keep it for himself 4. For a Bishop to preach 't is to do other Folks Office as if the Steward of the House should execute the Porter's or the Cook 's Place 'T is his Business to see that they and all other about the House perform their Duties 5. That which is thought to have done the Bishops hurt is their going about to bring Men to a blind Obedience imposing things upon them though perhaps small and well enough without preparing them and insinuating into their Reasons and Fancies every Man loves to know his Commander I wear those Gloves but perhaps if an Alderman should command me I should think much to do it What has he to do with me Or if he has peradventure I do not know it This jumping upon things at first Dash will destroy all To keep up Friendship there must be little Addresses and Applications whereas Bluntness spoils it quickly To keep up the Hierarchy there must be little Applications made to Men they must be brought on by little and little So in the Primitive Times the Power was gain'd and so it must be continued Scaliger said of Erasmus Si minor esse voluit major fuisset So we may say of the Bishops Si minores esse voluerint majores fuissent 6. The Bishops were too hasty else with a discreet Slowness they might have had what they aim'd at The old Story of the Fellow that told the Gentleman he might get to such a Place if he did not ride too fast would have fitted their turn 7. For a Bishop to cite an old Canon to strengthen his new Articles is as if a Lawyer should plead an old Statute that has been repeal'd God knows how long Bishops in the Parliament 1. BIshops have the same Right to sit in Parliament as the best Earls and Barons that is those that were made by Writ If you ask one of them Arundel Oxford Northumberland why they sit in the House they can only say their Fathers sate there before them and their Grandfather before him c. And so say the Bishops he that was a Bishop of this Place before me sate in the House and he that was a Bishop before him c. Indeed your latter Earls and Barons have it express'd in their Patents that they shall be called to the Parliament Objection but the Lords sit there by Blood the Bishops not Answer 'T is true they sit not there both the same way yet that takes not away the Bishops Right If I am a Parson of a Parish I have as much Right to my Gleab and Tithe as you have to your Land which your Ancestors have had in that Parish Eight Hundred Years 2. The Bishops were not Barons because they had Baronies annex'd to their Bishopricks for few of them had so unless the old ones Canterbury Winchester Durham c. the new erected we are sure had none as Glocester Peterborough c. besides few of the Temporal Lords had any Baronies But they are Barons because they are called by Writ to the Parliament and Bishops were in the Parliament ever since there was any mention or sign of a Parliament in England 3. Bishops may be judged by the Peers tho' in time of Popery it never hapned because they pretended they were not obnoxious to a secular Court but their way was to cry Ego sum Frater Domini Papae I am Brother to my Lord the Pope and therefore take not my self to be judged by you in this Case they impanell'd a Middlesex Jury and dispatch'd the Business 4. Whether may Bishops be present in Cases of Blood Answ. That they had a Right to give Votes appears by this always when they did go out they left a Proxy and in the time of the Abbots one Man had 10 20 or 30 Voices In Richard the Second's time there was a Protestation against the Canons by which they were forbidden to be present in Case of Blood The Statute of 25th of Henry the Eighth may go a great way in this Business The Clergy were forbidden to use or cite any Canon c. but in the latter End of the Statute there was a Clause that such Canons that were in usage in this Kingdom should be in force till the thirty two Commissioners appointed should make others provided they were not contrary to the King's Supremacy Now the Question will be whether these Canons for Blood were in use in this Kingdom or no the contrary whereof may appear by many Presidents in R. 3. and H. 7. and the beginning of H. 8. in which time there were more attainted than since or scarce before The Canons of Irregularity of Blood were never receiv'd in England but upon pleasure If a Lay-Lord was attainted the Bishops assented to his Condemning and were always present at the passing of the Bill of Attainder But if a Spiritual Lord they went out as if they car'd not whose Head was cut off so none of their own In those Days the Bishops being of great Houses were often entangled with the Lords in Matters of Treason But when d' ye hear of Bishop a Traytor now 5. You would not have Bishops meddle with Temporal Affairs think who you are that say it If a Papist they do in your Church if an English Protestant they do among you if a Presbyterian where you have no Bishops you mean your Presbyterian Lay-Elders should meddle with temporal Affairs as well as Spiritual Besides all Jurisdiction is Temporal and in no Church but they have some Jurisdiction or other The Question then will be reduced to Magis and Minus They meddle more in one Church than in another 6. Objection Bishops give not their Votes by Blood in Parliament but by an Office annext to them which being taken away they cease to vote therefore there is not the same Reason for them as for
at first were juggled out of their Estates yet they are rightly their Successors If my Father cheat a Man and he consent to it the Inheritance is rightly mine 11. If there be no Bishops there must be something else which has the Power of Bishops though it be in many and then had you not as good keep them If you will have no half Crowns but only single Pence yet Thirty single Pence are half a Crown and then had you not as good keep both But the Bishops have done ill 't was the Men not the Function As if you should say you would have no more Half-Crowns because they were stolen when the Truth is they were not stolen because they were Half Crowns but because they were Mony and light in a Thieves hand 12. They that would pull down the Bishops and erect a new way of Government do as he that pulls down an old House and builds another in another Fashion there 's a great deal of Do and a great deal of Trouble the old Rubbish must be carried away and new Materials must be brought Workmen must be provided and perhaps the old one would have serv'd as well 13. If the Parliament and Presbyterian Party should dispute who should be Judge Indeed in the beginning of Queen Elizabeth there was such a Difference between the Protestants and Papists and Sir Nicholas Bacon Lord Chancellor was appointed to be Judge but the Conclusion was the stronger Party carried it For so Religion was brought into Kingdoms so it has been continued and so it may be cast out when the State pleases 14. 'T will be great Discouragement to Scholars that Bishops should be put down For now the Father can say to his Son and the Tutor to his Pupil Study hard and you shall have Vocem Sedem in Parliamento then it must be Study hard and you shall have a Hundred a Tear if you please your Parish Object But they that enter into the Ministry for Preferment are like Judas that look'd after the Bag. Answ. It may be so if they turn Scholars at Judas's Age but what Arguments will they use to persuade them to follow their Books while they are young Books Authors 1. THE giving a Bookseller his Price for his Books has this Advantage he that will do so shall have the Refusal of whatsoever comes to his Hand and so by that means get many things which otherwise he never should have seen So 't is in giving a Bawd her Price 2. In buying Books or other Commodities 't is not always the best way to bid half so much as the Seller asks witness the Country Fellow that went to buy two groat Shillings they ask'd him three Shillings and he bad them eighteen Pence 3. They counted the Price of the Books Acts 19. 19. and found Fifty Thousand Pieces of Silver that is so many Sextertii or so many Three-half-pence of our Money about Three Hundred Pound Sterling 4. Popish Books teach and inform what we know we know much out of them The Fathers Church Story Schoolmen all may pass for Popish Books and if you take away them what Learning will you leave Besides who must be Judge The Customer or the Writer If he disallows a Book it must not be brought into the Kingdom then Lord have Mercy upon all Scholars These Puritan Preachers if they have any things good they have it out of Popish Books tho' they will not acknowledge it for fear of displeasing the People he is a poor Divine that cannot severe the Good from the Bad. 5. 'T is good to have Translations because they serve as a Comment so far as the Judgment of the Man goes 6. In answering a Book 't is best to be short otherwise he that I write against will suspect I intend to weary him not to satisfie him Besides in being long I shall give my Adversary a huge Advantage somewhere or other he will pick a Hole 7. In quoting of Books quote such Authors as are usually read others you may read for your own Satisfaction but not name them 8. Quoting of Authors is most for matter of Fact and then I write them as I would produce a Witness sometimes for a free Expression and then I give the Author his Due and gain my self Praise by reading him 9. To quote a Modern Dutch Man where I may use a Clasic Author is as if I were to justifie my Reputation and I neglect all Persons of Note and Quality that know me and bring the Testimonial of the Scullion in the Kitchen Canon-Law IF I would study the Canon-Law as it is used in England I must study the Heads here in use then go to the Practisers in those Courts where that Law is practised and know their Customs so for all the Study in the World Ceremony 1. CEremony keeps up all things 'T is like a Penny-Glass to a rich Spirit or some excellent Water without it the Water were spilt the Spirit lost 2. Of all People Ladies have no reason to cry down Ceremonies for they take themselves slighted without it And were they not used with Ceremony with Complements and Addresses with Legs and Kissing of Hands they were the pitifulest Creatures in the World but yet methinks to kiss their Hands after their Lips as some do is like little Boys that after they eat the Apple fall to the Paring out of a Love they have to the Apple Chancellour 1. THE Bishop is not to sit with a Chancellor in his Court as being a thing either beneath him or beside him no more than the King is to sit in the King's-Bench when he has made a Lord-Chief-Justice 2. The Chancellour govern'd in the Church who was a Lay-man And therefore 't is false which they charge the Bishops with that they challenge sole Jurisdiction For the Bishop can no more put out the Chancellor than the Chancellor the Bishop They were many of them made Chancellors for their Lives and he is the fittest Man to govern because Divinity so overwhelms the rest Changing Sides 1. 'T IS the Tryal of a Man to see if he will change his side and if he be so weak as to change once he will change again Your Country Fellows have a way to try if a Man be weak in the Hams by coming behind him and giving him a Blow unawares if he bend once he will bend again 2. The Lords that fall from the King after they have got Estates by base Flattery at Court and now pretend Conscience do as a Vintner that when he first sets up you may bring your Wench to his House and do your things there But when he grows Rich he turns conscientious and will sell no Wine upon the Sabbath-day 3. Colonel Goring serving first the one side and then the other did like a good Miller that knows how to grind which way soever the Wind sits 4. After Luther had made a Combustion in Germany about Religion he was sent to by the Pope
Temple to worship in where he was more especially present Just as the Master of the House who owns all the House makes choice of one Chamber to lie in which is called the Master's Chamber but under the Gospel there was no such thing Temples and Churches are set apart for the conveniency of Men to Worship in they cannot meet upon the Point of a Needle but God himself makes no choice 3. All things are Gods already we can give him no right by consecrating any that he had not before only we set it apart to his Service Just as a Gardiner brings his Lord and Master a Basket of Apricocks and presents them his Lord thanks him perhaps gives him something for his Pains and yet the Apricocks were as much his Lord 's before as now 4. What is Consecrated is given to some particular man to do God Service not given to God but given to Man to serve God And there 's not any thing Lands or Goods but some Men or other have it in their Power to dispose of as they please The saying things Consecrated cannot be taken away makes men afraid of Consecration 5. Yet Consecration has this Power when a Man has Consecrated any thing to God he cannot of himself take it away Contracts 1. IF our Fathers have lost their Liberty why may not we labour to regain it Answ. We must look to the Contract if that be rightly made we must stand to it if we once grant we may recede from Contracts upon any Inconveniency that may afterwards happen we shall have no Bargain kept If I sell you a Horse and do not like my Bargain I will have my Horse again 2. Keep your Contracts so far a Divine goes but how to make our Contracts is left to our selves and as we agree upon the conveying of this House or that Land so it must be If you offer me a Hundred Pounds for my Glove I tell you what my Glove is a plain Glove pretend no Virtue in it the Glove is my own I profess not to sell Gloves and we agree for an hundred Pounds I do not know why I may not with a safe Conscience take it The want of that common Obvious Distinction of Jus praeceptivum and Jus permissivum does much trouble Men. 3. Lady Kent Articled with Sir Edward Herbert that he should come to her when she sent for him and stay with her as long as she would have him to which he set his Hand then he Articled with her That he should go away when he pleas'd and stay away as long as he pleas'd to which she set her Hand This is the Epitome of all the Contracts in the World betwixt Man and Man betwixt Prince and Subject they keep them as long as they like them and no longer Council 1. THey talk but blasphemously enough that the Holy Ghost is President of their General Councils when the Truth is the odd Man is still the Holy Ghost Convocation 1. WHen the King sends his Writ for a Parliament he sends for two Knights for a Shire and two Burgesses for a Corporation But when he sends for two Arch-Bishops for a Convocation he commands them to assemble the whole Clergy but they out of Custom amongst themselves send to the Bishops of their Provinces to will them to bring two Clerks for a Diocess the Dean one for the Chapter and the Arch-Deacons but to the King every Clergy-Man is there present 2. We having nothing so nearly expresses the Power of a Convocation in respect of a Parliament as a Court-Leet where they have a Power to make By-Laws as they call them as that a Man shall put so many Cows or Sheep in the Common but they can make nothing that is contrary to the Laws of the Kingdom Creed 1. A Thanasius's Creed is the shortest take away the Preface and the Force and the Conclusion which are not part of the Creed In the Nicene Creed it is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 I believe in the Church but now as our Common-prayer has it I believe one Catholick and Apostolick Church they like not Creeds because they would have no Forms of Faith as they have none of Prayer though there be more Reason for the one than for the other Damnation 1. IF the Physician sees you eat any thing that is not good for your Body to keep you from it he crys 't is Poyson if the Divine sees you do any thing that is hurtful for your Soul to keep you from it he crys you are damn'd 2. To preach long loud and Damnation is the way to be cry'd up We love a Man that damns us and we run after him again to save us If a Man had a sore Leg and he should go to an Honost Judicious Chyrurgeon and he should only bid him keep it warm and anoint with such an Oyl an Oyl well known that would do the Cure haply he would not much regard him because he knows the Medicine beforehand an ordinary Medicine But if he should go to a Surgeon that should tell him your Leg will Gangreen within three Days and it must be cut off and you will die unless you do something that I could tell you what listning there would be to this Man Oh for the Lord's Sake tell me what this is I will give you any content for your Pains Devils 1. WHY have we none possest with Devils in England The old Answer is the Protestants the Devil hath already and the Papists are so Holy he dares not meddle with them Why then beyond Seas where a Nun is possest when a Hugonot comes into the Church does not the Devil hunt them out The Priest teaches him you never saw the Devil throw up a Nun's Coats mark that the Priest will not suffer it for then the People will spit at him 2. Casting out Devils is meer Juggling they never cast out any but what they first cast in They do it where for Reverence no Man shall dare to examine it they do it in a Corner in a Mortice-hole not in the Market-place They do nothing but what may be done by Art they make the Devil fly out of the Window in the Likeness of a Bat or a Rat why do they not hold him Why in the Likeness of a Bat or a Rat or some Creature That is why not in some shape we paint him in with Claws and Horns By this trick they gain much gain upon Mens Fancies and so are reverenc'd and certainly if the Priest deliver me from him that is my most deadly Enemy I have all the reason in the World to reverence him Objection But if this be Juggling why do they punish Impostures Answer For great reason because they don't play their Part well and for fear others should discover them and so all of them ought to be of the same Trade 3. A Person of Quality came to my Chamber in the Temple and told me he had two Devils in his Head I
to command that is where he must be obeyed so is every Supream Power and Prince They that stretch his Infallibility further do they know not what 5. When a Protestant and a Papish dispute they talk like two Mad-men because they do not agree upon their Principles the one way is to destroy the Pope's Power for if he hath Power to command me 't is not my alledging Reasons to the contrary can keep me from obeying For Example if a Constable command me to wear a green Suit to Morrow and has Power to make me 't is not my alledging a hundred Reasons of the Folly of it can excuse me from doing it 6. There was a Time when the Pope had Power here in England and there was excellent Use made of it for 't was only to serve Turns as might be manifested out of the Records of the Kingdom which Divines know little of If the King did not like what the Pope would have he would forbid the Pope's Legate to land upon his Ground So that the Power was truly then in the King though suffered in the Pope But now the Temporal and the Spiritual Power Spiritual so call'd because ordain'd to a Spiritual End spring both from one Fountain they are like to twist that 7. The Protestants in France bear Office in the State because though their Religion be different yet they acknowledge no other King but the King of France The Papists in England they must have a King of their own a Pope that must do something in our Kingdom therefore there is no reason they should enjoy the same Priviledges 8. Amsterdam admits of all Religions but Papists and 't is upon the same Account The Papists where e'er they live have another King at Rome all other Religions are subject to the present State and have no Prince else-where 9. The Papists call our Religion a Parliamentary Religion but there was once I am sure a Parliamentary Pope Pope Urban was made Pope in England by Act of Parliament against Pope Clement The Act is not in the Book of Statutes either because he that compiled the Book would not have the Name of the Pope there or else he would not let it appear that they medled with any such thing but 't is upon the Rolls 10. When our Clergy preach against the Pope and the Church of Rome they preach against themselves and crying down their Pride their Power and their Riches have made themselves Poor and Contemptible enough they dedicate first to please their Prince not considering what would follow Just as if a Man were to go a Journey and seeing at his first setting out the Way clean and fair ventures forth in his Slippers not considering the Dirt and the Sloughs are a little further off or how suddenly the Weather may change Popery 1. THE demanding a Noble for a dead body passing through a a Town came from hence in time of Popery they carried the dead Body into the Church where the Priest said Dirgies and twenty Dirgies at four Pence a piece comes to a Noble but now it is forbidden by an Order from my Lord Marshal the Heralds carry his Warrant about them 2. We charge the Prelatical Clergy with Popery to make them odious tho' we know they are guilty of no such thing Just as heretofore they call'd Images Mammets and the Adoration of Images Mammetry that is Mahomet and Mahometry odious Names when all the World knows the Turks are forbidden Images by their Religion Power State 1. THere is no stretching of Power 't is a good Rule Eat within your Stomach Act within your Commission 2. They that govern most make least Noise You see when they row in a Barge they that do drudgery-work slash and puff and sweat but he that governs sits quietly at the Stern and scarce is seen to stir 3. Syllables govern the World 4. All Power is of God means no more than Fides est servanda When St. Paul said this the People had made Nero Emperour They agree he to command they to obey Then Gods comes in and casts a hook upon them keep your Faith then comes in all Power is of God Never King dropt out of the Clouds God did not make a new Emperour as the King makes a Justice of Peace 5. Christ himself was a great observer of the Civil Power and did many things only justifiable because the State requir'd it which were things meerly Temporary for the time that State stood But Divines make use of them to gain Power to themselves as for Example that of Die Ecclesiae tell the Church there was then a Sanhedrim a Court to tell it to and therefore they would have it so now 6. Divines ought to do no more than what the State permits Before the State became Christian they made their own Laws and those that did not observe them they Excommunicated naughty men they suffered them to come no more amongst them But if they would come amongst them how could they hinder them By what Law by what Power they were still subject to the State which was Heathen Nothing better expresses the Condition of Christians in those times than one of the meetings you have in London of Men of the same Country of Sussex-Men or Bedfordshire-Men they appoint their Meeting and they agree and make Laws amongst themselves He that is not there shall pay double c. and if any one mis-behave himself they shut him out of their Company But can they recover a Forfeiture made concerning their Meeting by any Law Have they any power to compel one to pay but afterwards when the State became Christian all the Power was in them and they gave the Church as much or as little as they pleas'd and took away when they pleas'd and added what they pleas'd 7. The Church is not only subject to the Civil Power with us that are Protestants but also in Spain if the Church does Excommunicate a Man for what it should not the Civil Power will take him out of their Hands So in France the Bishop of Angiers alter'd something in the Breviary they complain'd to the Parliament at Paris that made him alter it again with a comme abuse 8. the Parliament of England has no Arbitrary Power in point of Judicature but in point of making Law only 9. If the Prince be servus natura of a servile base Spirit and the Subjects liberi Free and Ingenuous oft-times they depose their Prince and govern themselves On the contrary if the People be Servi Natura and some one amongst them of a Free and Ingenuous Spirit he makes himself King of the rest and this is the Cause of all changes in State Common-wealths into Monarchies and Monarchies into Common-wealths 10. In a troubled State we must do as in foul Weather upon the Thames not think to cut directly through so the Boat may be quickly full of Water but rise and fall as the Waves do give as much as conveniently we can
fain see that Man that durst tell me there 's any thing I understand not 3. When the Pageants are a coming there 's a great thrusting and a riding upon one another's Backs to look out at the Window stay a little and they will come just to you you may see them quietly So 't is when a new States-man or Officer is chosen there 's great expectation and listning who it should be stay a while and you may know quietly 4. Missing Preferment makes the Presbyters fall foul upon the Bishops Men that are in hopes and in the way of rising keep in the Channel but they that have none seek new ways 'T is so amongst the Lawyers he that hath the Judges Ear will be very observant of the way of the Court but he that hath no regard will be flying out 5. My Lord Digby having spoken something in the House of Commons for which they would have question'd him was presently called to the upper House He did by the Parliament as an Ape when he hath done some waggery his Master spies him and he looks for his Whip but before he can come at him whip says he to the top of the House 6. Some of the Parliament were discontented that they wanted places at Court which others had got but when they had them once then they were quiet Just as at a Christning some that get no Sugar Plums when the rest have mutter and grumble presently the Wench comes again with her Basket of Sugar-plums and then they catch and scramble and when they have got them you hear no more of them Praemunire 1. THere can be no Praemunire A Praemunire so call'd from the word Praemunire facias was when a Man laid an Action in an Ecclesiastical Court for which he could have no remedy in any of the King's Courts that is in the Courts of Common Law by reason the Ecclesiastical Courts before Henry the Eighth were subordinate to the Pope and so it was contra coronam dignitatem Regis but now the Ecclesiastical Courts are equally subordinate to the King Therefore it cannot be contra coronam dignitatem Regis and so no Praemunire Prerogative 1. PRerogative is something that can be told what it is not something that has no Name Just as you see the Archbishop has his Prerogative Court but we know what is done in that Court So the King's Prerogative is not his will or what Divines make it a power to do what he lists 2. The King's Prerogative that is the King's Law For example if you ask whether a Patron may present to a Living after six Months by Law I answer no. If you ask whether the King may I answer he may by his Prerogative that is by the Law that concerns him in that case Presbytery 1. THey that would bring in a new Government would very fain perswade us they meet it in Antiquity thus they interpret Presbyters when they meet the word in the Fathers Other professions likewise pretend to Antiquity The Alchymist will find his Art in Virgil's Aureus ramus and he that delights in Opticks will find them in Tacitus When Caesar came into England they would perswade us they had Perspective-Glasses by which he could discover what they were doing upon the Land because it is said Positis Speculis the meaning is His Watch or his Sentinel discover'd this and this unto him 2. Presbyters have the greatest power of any Clergy in the World and gull the Laity most For Example admit there be twelve Laymen to six Presbyters the six shall govern the rest as they please First because they are constant and the others come in like Church-Wardens in their turns which is an huge Advantage Men will give way to them who have been in place before them Next the Laymen have other professions to follow the Presbyters make it their sole Business and besides too they learn and study the Art of perswading some of Geneva have confess'd as much 3. The Presbyter with his Elders about him is like a young Tree fenc'd about with two or three or four Stakes the Stakes defend it and hold it up but the Tree only prospers and flourishes it may be some Willow Stake may bear a Leaf or two but it comes to nothing Lay-Elders are Stakes the Presbyter the Tree that flourshes 4. When the Queries were sent to the Assembly concerning the Jus Divinum of Presbytery their asking time to answer them was a Satyr upon themselves For if it were to be seen in the Text they might quickly turn to the place and shew us it Their delaying to answer makes us think there 's no such thing there They do just as you have seen a fellow do at a Tavern Reckoning when he should come to pay his Reckoning he puts his Hands into his Pockets and keeps a grabling and a fumbling and shaking at last tells you he has left his Money at home when all the Company knew at first he had no Money there for every Man can quickly find his own Money Priests of Rome 1. THE Reason of the Statute against Priests was this In the beginning of Queen Elizabeth there was a Statute made that he that drew Men from their civil Obedience was a Traitor It happen'd this was done in privacies and confessions when there could be no proof therefore they made another Act that for a Priest to be in England was Treason because they presum'd that was his business to fetch Men off from their Obedience 2. When Queen Elizabeth dy'd and King James came in an Irish Priest does thus express it Elizabetha in orcum detrusa successit Jacobus alter Haereticus You will ask why they did use such Language in their Church Answ. Why does the Nurse tell the Child of raw Head and bloody Bones to keep it in awe 3. The Queen Mother and Count Rosset are to the Priests and Jesuits like the Honey Pot to the Flies 4. The Priests of Rome aim but at two Things to get Power from the King and Money from the Subject 5. When the Priests come into a Family they do as a Man that would set fire on a House he does not put fire to the Brick-Wall but thrusts it into the Thatch They work upon the Women and let the Men alone 6. For a Priest to turn a Man when he lies a dying is just like one that hath a long time solicited a Woman and cannot obtain his end at length makes her drunk and so lies with her Prophecies 1. DReams and Prophecies do thus much good they make a Man go on with boldness and courage upon a Danger or a Mistress if he obtains he attributes much to them if he miscarries he thinks no more of them or is no more thought of himself Proverbs 1. THE Proverbs of several Nations were much studied by Bishop Andrews and the Reason he gave was Because by them he knew the Minds of several Nations which is a brave thing as we count him
see no reason why I may not as well take Use for my Money as Rent for my House 'T is a vain thing to say Money begets not Money for that no doubt it does 2. Would it not look odly to a Stranger that should come into this Land and hear in our Pulpits Usury preach'd against and yet the Law allow it Many Men use it pehaps some Church-men themselves No Bishop nor Ecclesiastical Judge that pretends Power to punish other Faults dares punish or at least does punish any Man for doing it Pious Uses 1. THE ground of the Ordinary's taking part of a Man's Estate who dy'd without a Will to Pious Uses was this to give it some body to pray that his Soul might be deliver'd out of Purgatory now the pious Uses come into his own Pocket 'T was well exprest by John O Powls in the Play who acted the Priest one that was to be hang'd being brought to the Ladder would fain have given something to the Poor he feels for his Purse which John O Powls had pickt out of his Pocket before missing it crys out He had lost his Purse now he intended to have given something to the Poor John O Powls bid him be pacified for the Poor had it already War 1. DO not under-value an Enemy by whom you have been worsted When our Country-men came home from fighting with the Saracens and were beaten by them they pictured them with huge big terrible Faces as you still see the Sign of the Saracen's Head is when in truth they were like other Men. But this they did to save their own Credits 2. Martial-Law in general means nothing but the Martial-Law of this or that Place with us to be us'd in Fervore Belli in the Face of the Enemy not in time of Peace there they can take away neither Limb nor Life The Commanders need not complain for want of it because our Ancestors have done gallant things without it 3. Question Whether may Subjects take up Arms against their Prince Answer Conceive it thus Here lies a Shilling betwixt you and me Ten Pence of the Shilling is yours Two Pence is mine By agreement I am as much King of my Two Pence as you of your Ten Pence If you therefore go about to take away my Two Pence I will defend it for there you and I are equal both Princes 4. Or thus two supream Powers meet one says to the other give me your Land if you will not I will take it from you The other because he thinks himself too weak to resist him tells him of nine Parts I will give you three so I may quietly enjoy the rest and I will become your Tributary Afterwards the Prince comes to exact six Parts and leaves but three the Contract then is broken and they are in Parity again 5. To know what Obedience is due to the Prince you must look into the Contract betwixt him and his People as if you wou'd know what Rent is due from the Tenant to the Landlord you must look into the Lease When the Contract is broken and there is no third Person to judge then the Decision is by Arms. And this is the Case between the Prince and the Subject 6. Question What Law is there to take up Arms against the Prince in Case he break his Covenant Answer Though there be no written Law for it yet there is Custom which is the best Law of the Kingdom for in England they have always done it There is nothing exprest between the King of England and the King of France that if either Invades the other's Territory the other shall take up Arms against him and yet they do it upon such an Occasion 7. 'T is all one to be plunder'd by a Troop of Horse or to have a Man's Goods taken from him by an Order from the Council Table To him that dies 't is all one whether it be by a Penny Halter or a Silk Garter yet I confess the silk Garter pleases more and like Trouts we love to be tickled to Death 8. The Soldiers say they fight for Honour when the Truth is they have their Honour in their Pocket And they mean the same thing that pretend to fight for Religion Just as a Parson goes to Law with his Parishioners he says For the good of his Successors that the Church may not loose its Right when the meaning is to get the Tythes into his own Pocket 9. We govern this War as an unskilful Man does a Casting-Net if he has not the right trick to cast the Net off his Shoulder the Leads will pull him into the River I am afraid we shall pull our selves into Destruction 10. We look after the particulars of a Battle because we live in the very time of War Whereas of Battles past we hear nothing but the Number slain Just as for the the Death of a Man when he is sick we talk how he slept this Night and that Night what he eat and what he drunk But when he is dead we only say he died of a Fever or name his Disease and there 's an end 11. Boccaline has this passage of Souldiers They came to Apollo to have their Profession made the Eighth Liberal Science which he granted As soon as it was nois'd up and down it came to the Butchers and they desired their Profession might be made the Ninth For say they the Soldiers have this Honour for the killing of Men now we kill as well as they but we kill Beasts for the preserving of Men and why should not we have Honour likewise done to us Apollo could not Answer their Reasons so he revers'd his Sentence and made the Soldiers Trade a Mystery as the Butchers is Witches 1. THE Law against Witches does not prove there be any but it punishes the Malice of those People that use such means to take away Mens Lives If one should profess that by turning his Hat thrice and crying Buz he could take away a Man's Life though in truth he could do no such thing yet this were a just Law made by the State that whosoever should turn his Hat thrice and cry Buz with an intention to take away a Man's Life shall be put to death Wife 1. HE that hath a handsome Wife by other Men is thought happy 't is a Pleasure to look upon her and be in her Company but the Husband is cloy'd with her We are never content with what we have 2. You shall see a Monkey sometime that has been playing up and down the Garden at length leap up to the top of the Wall but his Clog hangs a great way below on this side the Bishop's Wife is like that Monkey's Clog himself is got up very high takes place of the Temporal Barons but his Wife comes a great way behind 3. 'T is reason a Man that will have a Wife should be at the Charge of her Trinkets and pay all the Scores she sets on him He that will keep