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A25216 A reply to the Reverend Dean of St. Pauls's reflections on the Rector of Sutton, &c. wherein the principles and practices of the non-conformists are not only vindicated by Scripture, but by Dr. Stillingsfleet's Rational account, as well as his Irenicum : as also by the writings of the Lord Faulkland, Mr. Hales, Mr. Chillingworth, &c. / by the same hand ; to which is added, St. Paul's work promoted, or, Proper materials drawn from The true and only way of concord, and, Pleas for peace and other late writings of Mr. Richard Baxter ... Alsop, Vincent, 1629 or 30-1703.; Barret, John, 1631-1713. 1681 (1681) Wing A2919; ESTC R6809 123,967 128

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charity_n three_o cardinal_n virtue_n which_o he_o commend_v in_o our_o bishop_n and_o pray_v they_o may_v be_v increase_v more_o and_o more_o require_v so_o much_o of_o we_o which_o be_v not_o in_o our_o power_n to_o grant_v and_o yield_v unto_o but_o see_v as_o he_o say_v afterward_o he_o shall_v be_v pass_v all_o comfort_n if_o he_o shall_v not_o see_v some_o new_a attempt_n at_o least_o make_v for_o the_o success_n of_o a_o work_n so_o holy_a and_o of_o such_o consequence_n in_o a_o time_n that_o seem_v so_o proper_a for_o it_o and_o thousand_o more_o may_v say_v the_o like_a who_o true_o prefer_v ierusalem_n welfare_n before_o their_o chief_a joy_n i_o can_v but_o pray_v that_o those_o who_o be_v chief_o concern_v may_v have_v all_o the_o quality_n of_o the_o head_n and_o the_o heart_n which_o be_v necessary_a to_o make_v they_o able_a and_o willing_a to_o contribute_v to_o this_o good_a work_n upon_o the_o three_o letter_n from_o monsieur_n claude_n add_v p._n 439._o though_o he_o say_v the_o distinction_n betwixt_o the_o bishop_n and_o priest_n be_v very_o ancient_a yet_o have_v he_o be_v require_v to_o own_o this_o distinction_n as_o ground_v on_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o to_o assert_v the_o right_n of_o episcopacy_n as_o of_o apostolical_a institution_n i_o very_o much_o question_n whether_o this_o will_v not_o have_v gravel_v he_o add_v p._n 440._o i_o believe_v there_o be_v very_o few_o to_o be_v find_v among_o we_o that_o question_n the_o ordination_n of_o all_o ordain_v by_o bishop_n and_o many_o will_v be_v glad_a if_o it_o be_v permit_v that_o some_o of_o you_o will_v sometime_o help_v we_o in_o our_o meeting_n where_o he_o speak_v of_o christian_a unity_n and_o concord_n to_o my_o poor_a understanding_n mr._n corbet_n speak_v more_o sound_o accurate_o and_o distinct_o p._n 441._o he_o be_v express_o against_o tyranny_n over_o the_o soul_n and_o man_n force_v the_o conscience_n by_o impose_v a_o necessity_n to_o believe_v that_o which_o they_o believe_v and_o to_o practice_v that_o which_o they_o practise_v where_o we_o must_v suppose_v the_o thing_n themselves_o be_v not_o necessary_a and_o according_a to_o what_o follow_v in_o this_o case_n the_o external_a communion_n cease_v of_o right_a and_o there_o be_v not_o any_o that_o be_v lawful_a to_o be_v have_v any_o more_o with_o such_o be_v there_o not_o need_v of_o a_o index_n expurgatorius_fw-la here_o this_o make_v something_o for_o dissenter_n and_o pinch_v some_o where_o else_o and_o what_o follow_v that_o we_o do_v not_o believe_v that_o a_o single_a difference_n of_o government_n or_o discipline_n nor_o even_o a_o difference_n of_o ceremony_n innocent_a in_o their_o own_o nature_n be_v a_o sufficient_a occasion_n to_o break_v the_o sacred_a bond_n of_o communion_n be_v little_a to_o your_o purpose_n i_o think_v a_o single_a difference_n of_o ceremony_n shall_v not_o break_v communion_n where_o there_o be_v a_o union_n in_o the_o same_o faith_n and_o in_o thing_n necessary_a but_o there_o be_v more_o than_o a_o single_a difference_n of_o ceremony_n where_o no_o difference_n be_v allow_v but_o the_o same_o ceremony_n be_v impose_v on_o all_o though_o one_o part_n can_v look_v on_o they_o as_o innocent_a ceremony_n p._n 442._o speak_v of_o the_o protestant_a church_n in_o france_n he_o say_v we_o utter_o disapprove_v and_o see_v with_o grief_n certain_a extreme_n whereinto_o some_o of_o the_o one_o side_n and_o the_o other_o do_v cast_v themselves_o the_o one_o look_v upon_o episcopacy_n as_o a_o order_n so_o absolute_o necessary_a that_o without_o it_o there_o can_v be_v no_o ecclesiastical_a society_n etc._n etc._n then_o according_a to_o they_o there_o may_v be_v true_a church_n true_a minister_n without_o bishop_n and_o as_o they_o be_v ready_a to_o
though_o magistrate_n may_v regulate_v we_o in_o the_o circumstance_n of_o those_o duty_n which_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n or_o gospel_n do_v command_v yet_o if_o on_o such_o pretence_n they_o violate_v or_o contradict_v either_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n or_o the_o gospel_n and_o dedstroy_v the_o duty_n itself_o or_o its_o end_n whether_o we_o be_v bind_v in_o such_o case_n to_o obey_v they_o or_o whether_o it_o be_v not_o enough_o that_o we_o patient_o suffer_v first_o plea_n for_o p._n p._n 104._o q._n 6._o whether_o the_o king_n of_o israel_n have_v power_n to_o forbid_v the_o priest_n exercise_v their_o office_n according_a to_o god_n law_n or_o whether_o they_o can_v change_v or_o abrogate_v their_o office_n ibid._n p._n 20._o of_o solomon_n put_v out_o abiathar_n see_v p._n 21._o whether_o may_v they_o then_o have_v put_v out_o a_o lawful_a priest_n that_o have_v not_o forfeit_v his_o life_n or_o office_n or_o may_v they_o have_v put_v any_o one_o in_o his_o place_n that_o have_v not_o right_o from_o god_n or_o that_o be_v unqualify_v or_o may_v they_o have_v forbid_v the_o priest_n the_o work_v appoint_v they_o by_o god_n ibid._n p._n 22._o q._n 7._o whether_o such_o as_o christ_n law_n empower_v to_o ordain_v other_o to_o the_o work_n of_o the_o ministry_n have_v power_n from_o christ_n to_o hinder_v the_o ordination_n of_o such_o as_o christ_n law_n admit_v into_o the_o ministry_n ibid._n p._n 25._o q._n 8._o whether_o the_o magistrate_n beside_o the_o power_n of_o the_o temple_n and_o tithe_n and_o public_a maintenance_n and_o liberty_n also_o have_v the_o power_n of_o ordination_n or_o degradation_n that_o no_o man_n may_v be_v a_o true_a minister_n without_o or_o contrary_a to_o his_o consent_n sacrileg_n desert_n p._n 11._o whether_o be_v not_o many_o of_o the_o nonconformist's_a true_a pastor_n of_o their_o several_a flock_n before_o they_o be_v silence_v and_o cast_v out_o ibid._n and_o whether_o do_v the_o eject_v they_o from_o the_o temple_n and_o tithe_n degrade_v they_o or_o make_v they_o no_o pastor_n to_o their_o flock_n though_o prudence_n may_v require_v minister_n and_o people_n to_o consent_v to_o a_o dissolution_n of_o such_o a_o relation_n when_o they_o can_v hold_v it_o without_o great_a hurt_n than_o benefit_n ibid._n q._n 9_o though_o prince_n or_o patron_n may_v 1._o offer_v meet_a pastor_n to_o the_o ordainer_n and_o consenter_n to_o be_v accept_v when_o there_o be_v just_a cause_n for_o their_o interposition_n 2._o and_o may_v hinder_v both_o ordainer_n and_o people_n from_o introduce_v intolerable_a men._n 3._o and_o when_o a_o people_n ignorance_n wilfulness_n faction_n or_o division_n make_v they_o refuse_v all_o that_o be_v true_o fit_a for_o they_o may_v urge_v they_o to_o accept_v the_o best_a and_o may_v possess_v such_o of_o the_o temple_n and_o public_a maintenance_n and_o make_v it_o consequent_o to_o become_v the_o people_n duty_n to_o consent_n yet_o whether_o christ_n and_o his_o apostle_n have_v not_o settle_v the_o right_n of_o ordination_n on_o the_o senior_a pastor_n or_o bishop_n and_o the_o right_n of_o consent_v in_o the_o people_n first_o plea_n for_o p._n p._n 33._o and_o whether_o any_o man_n can_v be_v the_o pastor_n of_o a_o church_n de_fw-fr jure_fw-la or_o true_o de_fw-la facto_fw-la against_o the_o church_n or_o people_n will_n or_o without_o their_o consent_n ibid._n p._n 25._o as_o the_o say_v of_o cyprian_a be_v well_o know_v that_o the_o people_n have_v the_o great_a power_n both_o to_o choose_v a_o worthy_a priest_n and_o to_o refuse_v or_o forsake_v the_o unworthy_a ibid._n p._n 77_o and_o when_o in_o england_n it_o belong_v 1._o to_o the_o patron_n to_o present_v 2._o to_o the_o bishop_n to_o ordain_v and_o institute_v and_o therefore_o to_o approve_v and_o invest_v 3._o to_o the_o people_n jure_fw-la divino_fw-la to_o be_v free_a consenter_n 4._o and_o to_o the_o magistrate_n to_o protect_v and_o judge_v who_o shall_v be_v protect_v or_o tolerate_v under_o he_o if_o these_o four_o party_n be_v for_o four_o minister_n or_o for_o three_o or_o two_o several_a man_n and_o can_v agree_v in_o one_o whether_o the_o culpable_a dissenter_n will_v not_o be_v the_o cause_n of_o schism_n ibid._n p._n 50._o q._n 10._o whether_o the_o church_n and_o council_n be_v in_o the_o right_n or_o no_o which_o for_o 700_o yea_o 1000_o year_n hold_v that_o the_o call_n of_o a_o bishop_n be_v null_a that_o have_v not_o the_o clergy_n election_n and_o the_o people_n election_n or_o consent_n and_o if_o usurper_n shall_v thrust_v out_o the_o bishop_n and_o conformist_n and_o make_v themselves_o our_o pastor_n against_o our_o will_n what_o will_v the_o bishop_n think_v of_o such_o will_v they_o hold_v it_o unlawful_a to_o separate_v from_o such_o agree_v with_o they_o in_o doctrine_n and_o worship_n ans._n to_o dr._n still_o serm._n p._n 27._o q._n 11._o if_o a_o lawful_a magistrate_n or_o prince_n put_v in_o place_n of_o pastor_n person_n of_o untried_a and_o suspect_a part_n of_o fidelity_n whether_o will_v his_o imposition_n make_v such_o the_o true_a pastor_n of_o that_o church_n before_o and_o without_o the_o people_n consent_n fi●st_v plea_n for_o p._n p._n 55._o if_o so_o then_o whether_o may_v not_o one_o roman_a emperor_n have_v undo_v all_o the_o church_n and_o soul_n in_o the_o empire_n in_o a_o great_a degree_n by_o impose_v on_o they_o insufficient_a heretical_a or_o malignant_a pastor_n ibid._n p._n 56._o if_o people_n be_v as_o much_o under_o prince_n for_o choose_v guide_n for_o their_o soul_n as_o a_o daughter_n in_o her_o father_n house_n be_v under_o her_o father_n for_o the_o choice_n of_o a_o husband_n which_o yet_o we_o have_v not_o see_v prove_v yet_o as_o he_o can_v be_v no_o husband_n to_o she_o without_o her_o consent_n though_o she_o culpable_o deny_v consent_n query_n whether_o it_o be_v not_o so_o here_o that_o they_o can_v be_v no_o pastor_n to_o people_n till_o they_o consent_n way_n of_o concord_n p._n 209._o §_o 18._o but_o whether_o have_v god_n authorize_v the_o magistrate_n to_o choose_v what_o person_n every_o man_n in_o his_o dominion_n shall_v entrust_v his_o soul_n to_o as_o the_o pastor_n who_o conduct_n he_o be_v bind_v in_o conscience_n to_o obey_v ans._n to_o dr._n still_o serm_n p._n 14._o whether_o shall_v the_o people_n have_v any_o judgement_n of_o discern_v or_o not_o if_o yea_o must_v not_o the_o bound_n of_o it_o be_v show_v without_o deny_v the_o thing_n as_o if_o that_o will_v bring_v in_o all_o confusion_n if_o usurper_n claim_v the_o crown_n must_v not_o subject_n judge_v which_o be_v the_o true_a king_n and_o defend_v his_o right_n will_v any_o say_v if_o the_o people_n be_v judge_n they_o may_v set_v up_o usurper_n and_o put_v down_o the_o king_n when_o they_o be_v but_o discerner_n of_o that_o which_o be_v before_o their_o duty_n and_o have_v no_o right_a to_o err_v or_o alter_v the_o law_n and_o right_n can_v any_o dreadful_a consequence_n be_v prove_v to_o follow_v on_o it_o or_o if_o it_o be_v otherwise_o must_v they_o not_o be_v rule_v as_o brute_n and_o so_o must_v not_o ●udg_v so_o much_o as_o who_o they_o be_v to_o obey_v be_v there_o any_o christian_n that_o dare_v say_v that_o bishop_n or_o prince_n be_v in_o all_o thing_n to_o be_v obey_v lest_o the_o people_n be_v make_v judge_n first_o plea_n for_o p._n p._n 70_o 71._o q._n 12._o whether_o the_o ministerial_a office_n be_v take_v up_o upon_o trial_n or_o for_o a_o time_n or_o during_o life_n with_o a_o capacity_n to_o perform_v the_o work_n if_o the_o latter_a be_v grant_v then_o whether_o it_o be_v any_o less_o than_o 1._o horrid_a sacrilege_n 2._o perfidious_n covenant-breaking_a 3._o disobedience_n to_o god_n 4._o cruelty_n to_o soul_n 5._o and_o unthankfulness_n for_o great_a mercy_n if_o any_o of_o we_o shall_v desert_v our_o undertake_a office_n yea_o though_o a_o silence_v diocesan_n shall_v forbid_v we_o the_o exercise_n of_o it_o unjust_o sacrilege_n desert_n p._n 25_o 30._o q._n 13._o if_o ruler_n may_v silence_v the_o faithful_a minister_n of_o christ_n who_o know_v where_o to_o bound_v his_o obedience_n to_o such_o silencer_n if_o a_o 1000_o or_o 2000_o faithful_a minister_n must_v cease_v preach_v when_o so_o forbid_v why_o not_o 3000_o why_o not_o 4000_o if_o half_o a_o kingdom_n can_v you_o satisfy_v the_o conscience_n of_o the_o other_o half_a that_o they_o must_v not_o do_v so_o too_o and_o so_o all_o christian_a kingdom_n conform_v to_o muscovy_n when_o the_o prince_n command_v it_o and_o if_o a_o 1000_o or_o 2000_o or_o 3000_o parish_n must_v choose_v the_o apparent_a hazard_n of_o their_o soul_n and_o refuse_v such_o help_n as_o experience_n certify_v we_o they_o great_o need_v in_o obedience_n to_o man_n why_o must_v not_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o parish_n do_v so_o