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make_v to_o the_o contrary_a from_o act_n 2.44_o and_o 5.12_o and_o 6.2_o we_o have_v before_o answer_v to_o the_o first_o of_o these_o place_n for_o it_o be_v to_o be_v expound_v by_o act_n 4.32_o they_o be_v in_o one_o that_o be_v they_o be_v of_o one_o heart_n and_o of_o one_o soul_n the_o second_o place_n may_v be_v expound_v of_o the_o apostle_n and_o the_o precede_a word_n favour_v this_o exposition_n but_o though_o it_o shall_v be_v take_v of_o the_o multitude_n it_o prove_v not_o their_o meeting_n together_o into_o one_o place_n for_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n for_o it_o be_v a_o extraordinary_a confluence_n upon_o a_o extraordinary_a occasion_n of_o that_o which_o have_v befall_v to_o ananias_n and_o saphira_n the_o last_o place_n prove_v no_o more_o but_o a_o extraordinary_a and_o occasional_a meeting_n and_o it_o be_v also_o to_o be_v understand_v that_o they_o meet_v turmatim_fw-la as_o four_o hundred_o thousand_o man_n do_v assemble_v together_o jud._n 20.1_o another_o scripturall_a instance_n we_o give_v from_o 1_o pet._n 1.1_o with_o 5.2_o the_o apostle_n write_v to_o the_o disperse_a jew_n in_o several_a province_n call_v they_o all_o one_o flock_n we_o read_v that_o laban_n have_v many_o flock_n genes_n 30.36.38_o yet_o be_v they_o all_o call_v one_o flock_n verse_n 31.32_o so_o be_v all_o the_o flock_n of_o jacob_n call_v one_o flock_n genes_n 32.7_o and_o 33.13_o in_o like_a manner_n every_o one_o of_o the_o particular_a church_n among_o those_o disperse_a jew_n be_v a_o flock_n but_o compare_v with_o the_o whole_a it_o be_v but_o a_o part_n of_o the_o flock_n it_o be_v no_o more_o absurd_a to_o say_v that_o a_o congregation_n be_v both_o a_o body_n in_o respect_n of_o its_o own_o member_n and_o a_o member_n in_o respect_n of_o a_o national_n church_n than_o it_o be_v to_o say_v that_o every_o believer_n consider_v by_o himself_o be_v a_o tree_n of_o righteousness_n and_o a_o temple_n of_o god_n yet_o compare_v with_o other_o he_o be_v a_o 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be_v a_o express_a difference_n make_v betwixt_o paul_n lay_v on_o of_o his_o hand_n and_o the_o presbytery_n lay_v on_o of_o their_o hand_n of_o the_o former_a it_o be_v say_v that_o timothy_n receive_v the_o gift_n which_o be_v in_o he_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d by_o the_o lay_n on_o of_o paul_n hand_n but_o he_o receive_v the_o gift_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d with_o the_o lay_n on_o of_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o presbytery_n as_o didoclavius_n note_v but_o say_v sutlivius_n timothy_n be_v a_o evangelist_n as_o you_o hold_v how_o can_v he_o be_v ordain_v by_o the_o presbytery_n ans._n 1._o though_o the_o presbytery_n do_v neither_o give_v he_o ordination_n to_o be_v a_o evangelist_n nor_o yet_o confer_v by_o the_o lay_n on_o of_o their_o hand_n extraordinary_a gift_n upon_o he_o yet_o do_v they_o lie_v on_o their_o hand_n as_o set_v to_o the_o the_o seal_n and_o testimony_n and_o commend_v he_o to_o the_o grace_n of_o god_n even_o as_o certain_a prophet_n and_o teacher_n lay_v hand_n on_o paul_n and_o barnabas_n and_o ananias_n also_o before_o that_o time_n have_v lay_v his_o hand_n upon_o paul_n 2._o the_o presbytery_n may_v ordain_v timothy_n to_o be_v a_o elder_a if_o so_o be_v he_o be_v ordain_v a_o elder_a before_o he_o be_v ordain_v a_o evangelist_n 3._o if_o the_o testimony_n of_o the_o presbytery_n by_o the_o lay_n on_o of_o their_o hand_n together_o with_o the_o apostle_n hand_n in_o the_o extraordinary_a mission_n of_o timothy_n be_v require_v much_o more_o may_v it_o be_v put_v out_o of_o question_n that_o the_o apostle_n commit_v to_o the_o presbytery_n the_o full_a power_n of_o ordain_v ordinary_a minister_n but_o it_o be_v further_o object_v by_o sutlivius_n that_o this_o can_v not_o be_v such_o a_o presbytery_n as_o be_v among_o we_o because_o ordination_n and_o imposition_n of_o hand_n pertain_v to_o none_o but_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o word_n 8.10_o ans._n 1._o the_o child_n of_o israel_n lay_v their_o hand_n upon_o the_o levite_n &_o we_o will_v know_v his_o reason_n why_o he_o deny_v the_o like_a power_n to_o rule_v elder_n now_o especial_o since_o this_o imposition_n of_o hand_n be_v but_o a_o gesture_n of_o one_o pray_v and_o a_o moral_a sign_n declare_v the_o person_n pray_v for_o 2._o howsoever_o our_o practice_n whâ—ch_n be_v also_o approve_a by_o good_a divine_n be_v 37._o to_o put_v a_o difference_n betwixt_o the_o act_n of_o ordination_n and_o the_o external_a right_n thereof_o which_o be_v imposition_n of_o hand_n ascribe_v the_o former_a to_o the_o whole_a presbytery_n both_o pastor_n and_o elder_n and_o reserve_v the_o latter_a to_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o word_n yet_o to_o be_v do_v in_o the_o name_n of_o all_o thus_o have_v we_o evince_v the_o apostle_n meaning_n when_o he_o speak_v of_o a_o presbytery_n and_o this_o consistory_n we_o find_v to_o have_v continue_v in_o the_o christian_a church_n in_o the_o age_n after_o the_o apostle_n it_o be_v certain_a that_o the_o ancient_a bishop_n have_v no_o power_n to_o judge_v any_o cause_n without_o the_o presence_n advice_n and_o counsel_n of_o their_o presbyter_n conc._n carth._n 4._o can_n 23._o field_n forbesse_n saravia_n and_o douname_n do_v all_o acknowledge_v that_o it_o be_v so_o and_o so_o do_v bellarmine_n de_fw-fr pont._n rom._n l._n 1._o c._n 8._o of_o this_o presbytery_n speak_v cyprian_a omni_fw-la actu_fw-la ad_fw-la i_o perlato_fw-la placuit_fw-la contrahi_fw-la presbyterium_fw-la etc._n etc._n of_o the_o presbytery_n speak_v the_o same_o cyprian_a lib._n 2._o ep._n 8._o &_o lib._n 4._o ep._n 5._o ignatius_n ad_fw-la trall_n and_o hierom_n in_o esa._n 3_o we_o find_v it_o also_o in_o conc_fw-fr ancyr_n can_v 18_o and_o in_o conc_fw-fr carthag_n 4._o can_n 35.40_o 254.255_o doctor_n forbesse_n allege_v that_o the_o word_n presbytery_n for_o fifteen_o hundred_o year_n after_o christ_n do_v signify_v no_o other_o thing_n in_o the_o church_n than_o a_o diocesan_n synod_n but_o herein_o if_o he_o have_v understand_v himself_o he_o speak_v not_o so_o much_o against_o presbytery_n as_o against_o prelate_n for_o a_o diocese_n of_o old_a be_v bound_v within_o one_o city_n 2._o tumque_fw-la jampridem_fw-la per_fw-la omnes_fw-la provincias_fw-la &_o per_fw-la urbes_fw-la singulas_fw-la ordinati_fw-la sint_fw-la episcopi_fw-la etc._n etc._n say_v cyprian_n it_o be_v necessary_a to_o ordain_v bishop_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 10._o say_v chrysostome_n speak_v of_o the_o primitive_a time_n yea_o in_o country_n village_n also_o be_v bishop_n who_o be_v call_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d that_o be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d rural_a bishop_n who_o episcopal_a office_n though_o limit_v yet_o be_v allow_v in_o the_o council_n of_o ancyra_n can_v 13._o and_o the_o council_n of_o antioch_n can_v 8._o &_o 10._o 4._o sozomen_n record_v that_o the_o village_n majuma_n which_o be_v sometime_o a_o suburb_n of_o the_o city_n gaza_n be_v not_o subject_a to_o the_o bishop_n of_o gaza_n but_o have_v its_o own_o proper_a bishop_n and_o that_o by_o the_o decree_n of_o a_o synod_n in_o palestina_n the_o council_n of_o sardis_n can_v 6._o and_o the_o council_n of_o laodicea_n can_v 57_o though_o they_o discharge_v the_o ordain_v of_o bishop_n in_o village_n lest_o the_o name_n of_o a_o bishop_n shall_v grow_v contemptible_a do_v nevertheless_o allow_v every_o city_n to_o have_v a_o bishop_n of_o its_o own_o what_o have_v doctor_n forbesse_n now_o gain_v by_o maintain_v that_o the_o bound_n of_o a_o presbytery_n and_o of_o a_o diocese_n be_v all_o one_o they_o in_o the_o netherlâ—nds_n sometime_o call_v their_o presbytery_n diocaeses_n 100.101_o and_o many_o of_o our_o presbytery_n be_v great_a than_o be_v diocese_n of_o old_a we_o conclude_v there_o be_v ancient_o a_o presbytery_n in_o every_o city_n which_o do_v indeed_o choose_v one_o of_o their_o number_n to_o preside_v among_o they_o and_o to_o lay_v on_o hand_n in_o name_n of_o the_o rest_n and_o he_o be_v call_v the_o bishop_n 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no_o more_o rivet_n show_v that_o these_o who_o reject_v they_o do_v neither_o give_v good_a reason_n for_o their_o opinion_n neither_o yet_o do_v agree_v among_o themselves_o bellarmine_n ascribe_v they_o to_o hilarius_n diaconus_fw-la maldonat_fw-la to_o remigius_n lugdunensis_n the_o censor_n of_o louvain_n to_o the_o author_n of_o the_o question_n of_o the_o old_a and_o new_a testament_n i_o believe_v that_o cook_n in_o his_o censura_fw-la scriptorum_fw-la veterum_fw-la 134._o have_v touch_v the_o true_a cause_n why_o these_o commentary_n be_v so_o much_o call_v in_o question_n which_o be_v the_o perfidiousness_n of_o papist_n who_o when_o they_o find_v any_o thing_n therein_o which_o they_o imagine_v to_o be_v for_o their_o advantage_n than_o they_o cry_v saint_n ambrose_n say_v thus_o but_o when_o they_o find_v any_o thing_n therein_o which_o make_v against_o they_o than_o they_o say_v as_o hall_n do_v it_o be_v not_o ambrose_n but_o a_o counterseit_n i_o must_v confess_v that_o hall_n be_v wise_a in_o disclaim_v the_o same_o than_o his_o fellow_n in_o acknowledge_v they_o yet_o because_o he_o find_v that_o the_o testimony_n may_v be_v of_o force_n though_o not_o ambrose_n and_o beside_o have_v no_o proof_n for_o this_o alledgeance_n he_o dare_v not_o trust_v to_o it_o but_o think_v upon_o another_o answer_n 26._o to_o proceed_v then_o to_o their_o next_o conjecture_n bilson_n sutcliffe_n and_o doctor_n field_n tell_v we_o that_o ambrose_n mean_v of_o bishop_n who_o exclude_v other_o clergy_n man_n from_o their_o consultation_n and_o that_o by_o the_o name_n of_o teacher_n he_o may_v fit_o understand_v the_o bishop_n see_v none_o but_o they_o have_v power_n to_o preach_v in_o their_o own_o right_n &_o other_o but_o only_a by_o permission_n from_o they_o this_o be_v a_o most_o desperate_a shift_n for_o a_o bad_a cause_n for_o first_o there_o be_v no_o warrant_n neither_o from_o scripture_n nor_o antiquity_n to_o distinguish_v bishop_n from_o other_o minister_n of_o the_o word_n by_o the_o name_n of_o teacher_n second_o as_o for_o that_o reason_n allege_v that_o none_o but_o bishop_n have_v power_n to_o preach_v in_o their_o own_o right_n it_o be_v contrary_a to_o that_o which_o field_n himself_o say_v in_o the_o very_a next_o chapter_n where_o he_o hold_v that_o presbyter_n be_v equal_a with_o bishop_n in_o the_o power_n of_o order_n and_o that_o they_o may_v preach_v and_o minister_v the_o sacrament_n by_o virtue_n of_o their_o order_n as_o well_o as_o bishop_n three_o neither_o do_v the_o advise_v of_o bishop_n with_o presbyter_n cease_v in_o ambrose_n his_o time_n 27._o for_o as_o field_n himself_o note_v out_o of_o the_o four_o council_n of_o carthage_n which_o be_v hold_v short_o after_o ambrose_n his_o writing_n hereof_o all_o sentence_n of_o bishop_n be_v declare_v to_o be_v void_a which_o be_v not_o confirm_v by_o the_o presence_n of_o their_o clergy_n let_v we_o also_o
he_o exercise_v of_o the_o office_n of_o a_o magistrate_n shall_v have_v cease_v but_o since_o they_o do_v only_o assist_v the_o pastor_n in_o matter_n ecclesiastical_a it_o follow_v that_o as_o touch_v the_o office_n of_o elder_n there_o be_v no_o distinction_n betwixt_o time_n of_o peace_n and_o persecution_n second_o there_o be_v senior_n among_o the_o jew_n under_o godly_a king_n and_o in_o time_n of_o peace_n why_o not_o likewise_o among_o we_o three_o the_o ecclesiastical_a power_n be_v distinct_a from_o the_o civil_a both_o in_o the_o subject_n object_n and_o end_n so_o that_o the_o one_o do_v not_o hinder_v the_o other_o the_o magistrate_n power_n be_v to_o punish_v the_o outward_a man_n with_o a_o outward_a punishment_n which_o the_o presbytery_n can_v hinder_v for_o he_o may_v civil_o bind_v who_o the_o presbytery_n spiritual_o lose_v and_o civil_o loose_v who_o the_o presbytery_n spiritual_o bind_v and_o that_o because_o the_o magistrate_n seek_v not_o the_o repentance_n and_o salvation_n of_o the_o delinquent_n by_o his_o punishment_n as_o the_o presbytery_n do_v but_o only_o the_o maintenance_n of_o the_o authority_n of_o his_o law_n together_o with_o the_o quietness_n and_o preservation_n of_o the_o commonwealth_n whence_o it_o come_v that_o the_o delinquent_n serape_v not_o free_a of_o the_o magistrate_n though_o he_o be_v penitent_a and_o not_o obstinate_a 4._o how_o think_v whitgift_n that_o the_o christian_n magistrate_n can_v do_v those_o thing_n which_o the_o seignory_n do_v under_o a_o tyrant_n can_v the_o magistrate_n by_o himself_o determine_v question_n of_o faith_n can_v he_o know_v what_o order_n and_o decency_n in_o circumstance_n be_v fit_a for_o each_o congregation_n can_v he_o excommunicate_v offender_n etc._n etc._n 5._o when_o bishop_n exercise_v ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n yea_o and_o the_o civil_a too_o this_o be_v think_v no_o wrong_n to_o prince_n be_v it_o a_o wrong_n in_o the_o presbytery_n yet_o not_o in_o this_o 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duty_n according_a to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o law_n of_o the_o church_n 7._o whatsoever_o be_v the_o power_n of_o the_o supreme_a magistrate_n ecclesiae_fw-la tamen_fw-la 452_o etc._n etc._n yet_o let_v he_o leave_v to_o the_o church_n and_o to_o the_o ecclesiastical_a ruler_n such_o as_o be_v the_o minister_n of_o the_o gospel_n elder_n and_o deacon_n their_o own_o power_n in_o handle_v ecclesiastical_a thing_n untouched_a and_o whole_a say_v danaeus_n for_o the_o ecclesiastical_a power_n do_v no_o more_o hinder_v the_o civil_a administration_n than_o the_o art_n of_o sing_v hinder_v it_o say_v the_o augustan_n confession_n 8._o we_o may_v answer_v by_o a_o just_a recrimination_n eccl._n that_o the_o prelacy_n not_o the_o presbytery_n be_v prejudicial_a to_o the_o power_n of_o prince_n and_o have_v often_o encroach_v upon_o the_o same_o the_o bishop_n assemble_v in_o the_o eight_o council_n of_o constantinople_n 14._o ordain_v that_o bishop_n shall_v not_o light_v from_o their_o horse_n when_o they_o chance_v to_o meet_v prince_n nor_o base_o bow_v before_o they_o and_o that_o if_o any_o prince_n shall_v cause_v a_o bishop_n to_o disparage_v himself_o by_o do_v otherwise_o he_o shall_v be_v excommunicate_v for_o two_o year_n 17._o they_o also_o discharge_v prince_n from_o be_v present_a in_o any_o synod_n except_o the_o oâ—cumenicke_n â—7_z the_o 1._o council_n of_o toledo_n ordain_v that_o quoties_fw-la episcoporum_fw-la hispanorum_fw-la synodus_fw-la convenerit_fw-la toties_fw-la universalis_fw-la concilii_fw-la decretum_fw-la propter_fw-la salutem_fw-la principum_fw-la factum_fw-la peractis_fw-la omnibus_fw-la in_o synodo_fw-la recitetur_fw-la ut_fw-la iniquorum_fw-la mens_fw-la territa_fw-la corrigatur_fw-la from_o which_o canon_n osiander_n collect_v that_o some_o of_o the_o bishop_n be_v not_o faithful_a and_o loyal_a to_o the_o king_n of_o spain_n the_o inquisition_n of_o spain_n anno_fw-la 1568._o present_v to_o king_n philip_n twelve_o article_n against_o the_o netherlands_o 309._o one_o whereof_o be_v that_o the_o king_n write_v unto_o and_o command_v the_o clergy_n of_o the_o netherlands_o that_o with_o the_o inquisition_n they_o shall_v accept_v of_o 15._o new_a bishop_n the_o which_o shall_v be_v free_a from_o all_o secular_a jurisdiction_n yea_o in_o case_n of_o treason_n now_o as_o touch_v the_o contrary_a conceit_n of_o saravia_n 110.114.116_o he_o allow_v such_o elder_n as_o the_o jewish_a church_n have_v to_o be_v join_v now_o with_o pastor_n under_o a_o christian_a magistrate_n but_o under_o a_o infidel_n magistrate_n he_o say_v they_o can_v have_v no_o place_n for_o he_o take_v the_o jewish_a elder_n to_o have_v be_v their_o magistrate_n &_o that_o in_o like_a manner_n none_o but_o christian_a magistrate_n shall_v sit_v with_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o word_n in_o ecclesiastical_a court_n prince_n and_o noble_n in_o general_a or_o national_n council_n and_o magistrate_n of_o city_n in_o particular_a 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shall_v we_o make_v a_o mixture_n and_o confusion_n of_o civil_a &_o ecclesiastical_a function_n else_o how_o shall_v man_n by_o virtue_n of_o civil_a place_n sit_v in_o spiritual_a court_n if_o as_o man_n of_o singular_a gift_n choose_v to_o sit_v then_z may_z other_o aswell_o as_o they_o have_v the_o like_a gift_n and_o election_n be_v admit_v to_o sit_v also_o 4._o saravia_n contradict_v himself_o â—20_n for_o a_o little_a after_o he_o admit_v grave_a and_o godly_a man_n in_o the_o judicatories_n of_o the_o church_n whither_o they_o be_v magistrate_n or_o private_a man_n sive_fw-la illi_fw-la magistratu_fw-la fungantur_fw-la sive_fw-la in_o rep_n vivre_fw-fr privati_fw-la chap._n xiii_o whether_o rule_v elder_n have_v the_o power_n of_o decisive_a voice_n when_o they_o sit_v in_o prebytery_n and_o synod_n there_o be_v sundry_a question_n propound_v by_o d._n field_n and_o other_o adversary_n of_o rule_v elder_n whereinto_o they_o think_v we_o be_v not_o able_a to_o satisfy_v they_o 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knowledge_n â—nd_v at_o least_o tacit_a consent_v of_o the_o congregation_n itself_o then_o do_v we_o not_o only_o sufficient_o and_o abundant_o preserve_v the_o liberty_n of_o the_o congregation_n while_o as_o not_o the_o pastor_n or_o pastor_n thereof_o alone_o but_o sundry_a rule_v elder_n also_o represent_v the_o congregation_n do_v manage_v the_o affair_n aforesaid_a the_o congregation_n withal_o understand_v thereof_o and_o consent_v thereto_o tacitè_fw-fr if_z not_o expressè_n i_o do_v not_o think_v but_o those_o of_o the_o separation_n at_o this_o time_n will_v easy_o assent_v to_o this_o resolution_n and_o reconcilement_n of_o the_o controversy_n and_o so_o much_o the_o rather_o because_o i_o believe_v they_o themselves_o do_v seclude_v from_o the_o exercise_n of_o jurisdiction_n in_o the_o congregation_n both_o child_n under_o age_n because_o of_o their_o defect_n of_o judgement_n and_o woman_n because_o they_o be_v forbid_v to_o speak_v in_o the_o church_n and_o whether_o they_o seclude_v any_o other_o i_o know_v â—ot_n but_o since_o according_a to_o their_o own_o tenet_n some_o must_v be_v seclude_v and_o the_o power_n give_v to_o the_o church_n 18.17_o must_v in_o the_o exercise_n of_o it_o be_v restrain_v to_o some_o in_o the_o church_n it_o be_v better_a to_o say_v with_o aegidius_n hunnius_n that_o when_o christ_n remit_v we_o to_o the_o church_n mat._n 18.17_o he_o mean_v the_o prime_a and_o chief_a member_n which_o represent_v the_o church_n that_o be_v pastor_n aâ—d_a elder_n then_o to_o say_v that_o he_o send_v we_o to_o the_o whole_a body_n of_o the_o church_n one_o scruple_n more_o may_v peradventure_o remain_v they_o will_v say_v it_o be_v well_o that_o we_o require_v the_o church_n consent_n before_o any_o weighty_a matter_n which_o concern_v all_o be_v finish_v but_o what_o if_o this_o consent_n be_v not_o have_v whether_o may_v the_o eldership_n cut_v off_o a_o offender_n renitente_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la 19_o for_o their_o satisfaction_n 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