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A44213 The catechist catechized, or, An examination of an Anabaptistical catechism pretended to be published for the satisfaction and information of the people of God in Lancashire &c. : also some observations both old and new concerning the pretended visibility ... of the present Roman Church and religion / sent to a gentleman upon his revolt to popery and now published for the churches good by Richard Hollingworth. Hollingworth, Richard, 1607-1656. 1653 (1653) Wing H2487; ESTC R28107 42,729 60

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your own confession doth signifie washing as well as dipping and washing is the main thing being the end and dipping but the means especially with reference to this Ordinance which is for washing or putting away the filth of the flesh 1 Pet. 3.21 Acts 22.16 Hebr. 10.22 1 Cor. 6.11 Now a thing may be washed not only by Dipping but by Sprinkling or by affusion or puring water upon it which is mostly used by us and not Sprinkling 3. The Greek word Baptism in Scripture signifie not only washing by dipping or plunging into the water but by sprinkling or affusion The Baptisms or washings mentioned Hebr. 9.10 were at least some of them done onely by sprinkling of water Numb 8.7 which was called the water of separation Numb 19.9 and holy water Numb 5.17 or by sprinkling of blood which himself instanceth in Heb. 9.13 19 21. See also Exod. 29.16 21. Psal 51.7 Their washings called baptizings of hands were frequently at least by letting wate fall on their hands from a Laver 2 King 3.11 So their Tables and Beds were not dipped into the water but washing with pouring water on them Mark 9. They that were baptized with the Holy Ghost and with fire were not dipped or plunged into the fire though if they had if seems it would not have burned them but cloven tongues as of fire sat upon each of them Acts 2.3 with Matt. 3.11 They that were baptized in the Cloud and in the Sea 1 Cor. 10.1 were not dipped or plunged into the Cloud or Sea for it was dry Land but probably they were bedewed besprinkled or dropped on The word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 baptized by the Translation rendered dipt Revel 19.13 is no other in Isai 63.2 3. then besprinkled 4. Baptism signifies Justification by the blood of Christ which is called the Blood of Sprinkling Hebr. 12.24 1 Pet. 1. 2. Hebr. 10.22 and Sanctification by the Spirit of Christ which is called sprinkling of clean water on them Ezek. 36.25 Isai 52.15 both which were also typified by the aforesaid legal purifications or washings 5. It cannot be proved by the Word nor is it probable in it self that the three thousand baptized in Jerusalem Acts 2.41 were carryed to a River and there dipped one by one by the Apostles or that Paul Lydia the Jaylor and all theirs which it's likely were baptized in houses were so dipped Did they shift their clothes or continued they in their wet apparel and how could their whole body be washed though it might be wet with their clothes on or were they all men and women baptized stark naked and was not this contrary to modesty and a temptation which mastered holy David 2 Sam. 11.1 Much less can it be proved that be the person never so sickly the season never so cold yet dipping is though it may endanger mens lives not only lawful in it self as we account it yea it hath been commended above sprinkling or affusion but in all cases and conditions necessary and the omission of it upon any occasion is sinful ANABAPT CAT. Paedobaptism is done by an Officer where there is a questionable Power as the Ministers ordained by Bishops deemed Antichristian THis exception is of no force against Child Baptism administred by such Ministers as are not ordained by Bishops Exam. Cap. 13. 2. You tell us not by whom or whether truly or falsly the Bishops were deemed Antichristian certes the old Nonconformists how ever they or some of them might hold that in the calling and authority of the Bishops there be divers things Antichristian agreed by joynt consent That they did not see I use their own words how our Bishops could be called Antichrists or Antichristians 1. Because the Word marks out Antichrist by his false doctrine nor do we find in holy Scripture any such accounted Antichrist or Antichristian which holding the truth of Doctrine swerveth either in judgment or practice from Christs rule for Discipline now it is evident that our Bishops do hold and teach all fundamental Doctrines and Truths and some of them have soundly maintained it against Hereticks converted many to it and have suffered persecution for the Gospel 2. Their Hierarchy and other corruptions charged upon the calling of our Bishops were rather to be esteemed the stairs and way to Antichristianity then Antichristianity it self for they were in the Church before the Pope who is the Antichrist and the chief Head-link of all Antichristianity was revealed 3. The Antichristian Bishops hold their preeminence as from Gods Law which is unchangeable whereas our Bishops since her Majesties reign to this day for the most part held their superiority by no other right then the positive Law which is variable yea it appears by the Institution of the Court of Delegates and the continuance thereof to this day that they do and ought by Law to hold their Jurisdiction not as from God but as from the Prince Thus they And as to Ministers ordained by the Bishops they say Bishops are able to judg of such gifts as are required for the sufficiency of Ministers that many of them have been such Ministers themselves as to Whose labors the Lord hath set to his Seal We are perswaded that though it were not necessary yet it cannot be unlawful for him that entreth into the Ministry to be approved and authorized even by them And if our Ordination be in this behalf faulty how will our Brethren justifie the calling of their own Ministers that have received Ordination ever from the people who neither by commandment nor example can be found to have any such authority nor are in any degree so capable of it as the Bishops See Mr Rathbands grave Confutation c. pag. 19. and 38. 3. Suppose it were confessed That the Bishops as claiming by Gods Law sole power of Ordination and Jurisdiction if any so did might in some qualified sence be called Antichristian had this such an influence upon an Ordination in which others joyned as well as he so as to make it voyd and null both as from himself and from them The Bishops were Presbyters and so more enabled by Gods Word to ordain as the godly Nonconformists truly assert then any Non-Presbyters and they came nearer to a Presbytery then two three or more members which are nothing like a Presbytery or company of Presbyters can do and their Ordination was judged valid not only by the Parliament and the Assembly but also by all the Reformed Churches abroad as by the Nonconformists at home notwithstanding they were opposers of and were opposed by the Bishops yea God himself added his own Seal affording not only Ministerial Gifts and Graces but his gracious assistance for Conversion of Souls and edifying of the Saints and sometimes so gloriously working by the Ministry of the Church of England as he hath not that we know of wrought so by any other But in your account the Baptism administred by such a Minister is neither lawful nor sufficient or at