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divers_a form_n of_o ministery_n or_o manner_n of_o administration_n here_o timothy_n and_o titus_n be_v proper_o evangelistes_n do_v these_o action_n under_o the_o form_n of_o a_o evangelisticall_a ministry_n sometime_o apostle_n do_v the_o same_o action_n but_o under_o the_o form_n of_o a_o apostolical_a ministry_n after_o they_o bishop_n do_v the_o same_o action_n also_o but_o under_o the_o form_n of_o a_o proper_a bishop_n office_n etc._n etc._n wherefore_o the_o perpetuity_n of_o these_o action_n material_o which_o timothy_n and_o titus_n do_v prove_v not_o the_o office_n and_o ministry_n of_o timothy_n and_o titus_n formal_o to_o be_v perpetual_a this_o be_v a_o very_a weak_a conclusion_n and_o very_o crooked_a his_o 4._o argument_n be_v the_o whole_a church_n of_o christ_n since_o the_o apostle_n time_n without_o exception_n have_v so_o construe_v the_o apostle_n word_n to_o timothy_n and_o titus_n touch_v their_o government_n and_o he_o name_v eusebius_n jerome_n ambrose_n etc._n etc._n d._n rainolds_n answer_v hart_n the_o priest_n 267._o confer_v pag._n 267._o i_o perceive_v the_o pope_n must_v fetch_v his_o supremacy_n from_o earth_n and_o not_o from_o heaven_n you_o be_v fall_v from_o scripture_n to_o eusebius_n even_o so_o our_o adversary_n when_o all_o be_v do_v they_o must_v fetch_v the_o diocesan_n l._n bishop_n office_n from_o earth_n and_o not_o from_o heaven_n they_o fall_v from_o scripture_n to_o eusebius_n etc._n etc._n and_o yet_o not_o eusebius_n not_o the_o rest_n do_v construe_v those_o precept_n to_o timothy_n and_o titus_n as_o belong_v only_o to_o bishop_n much_o ââ5_n much_o see_v before_o pag._n â24_n ââ5_n less_o do_v the_o whole_a church_n of_o christ_n since_o the_o apostle_n time_n without_o exception_n this_o be_v a_o strange_a hyperbole_n but_o these_o writer_n acknowledge_v timothy_n and_o titus_n to_o have_v ben_fw-mi bishop_n nay_o not_o diocesan_n l._n bishop_n they_o neither_o acknowledge_v nor_o know_v any_o such_o in_o 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his_o slander_n that_o we_o maintain_v such_o popular_a government_n as_o morellius_n strive_v for_o be_v sufficient_o answer_v 24._o answer_v pag._n 24._o before_o some_o of_o the_o separation_n i_o grant_v be_v to_o offensive_a this_o way_n which_o i_o be_o hearty_o sorry_a for_o they_o take_v the_o word_n in_o math._n 18.17_o tell_v the_o church_n more_o popular_o they_o there_o be_v need_n or_o then_o reason_n or_o good_a order_n will_v howbeit_o in_o this_o yet_o they_o hold_v the_o substance_n of_o the_o true_a church-goverm_a they_o err_v but_o in_o the_o circumstance_n of_o order_n though_o it_o be_v to_o 18.17_o to_o bera_n anââ_n cat_n in_o math._n 18.17_o foul_a that_o be_v they_o will_v examine_v all_o scandal_n etc._n etc._n whatsoever_o in_o the_o presence_n &_o under_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o whole_a multitude_n perpetual_o &_o necessary_o i_o say_v perpetual_o &_o necessary_o wherein_o i_o wonder_v they_o see_v not_o the_o many_o very_a ill_a consequent_n which_o will_n &_o must_v ensue_v many_o time_n as_o touch_v we_o what_o we_o hold_v herein_o i_o have_v show_v 83._o show_v pag._n 22._o 24._o 82._o 83._o before_o and_o our_o docts_n do_v most_o injurious_o 355._o injurious_o def._n 4.81_o perp._n gov_n pag._n 355._o wrong_v beza_n &_o the_o geneva_n discipline_n if_o that_o be_v geneva_n discipline_n which_o viret_n calvin_n &_o beza_n teach_v they_o in_o say_v they_o differ_v material_o from_o us._n our_o d._n ask_v be_v there_o any_o show_n in_o scripture_n or_o in_o reason_n that_o the_o sheep_n shall_v rule_v their_o shepherd_n or_o the_o flock_n their_o pastor_n the_o very_a voice_n of_o a_o jesuit_n &_o not_o of_o a_o minister_n of_o the_o gospel_n bellarm._n argue_v just_a so_o 7._o so_o bellarm._n de_fw-fr clersc_n 1._o 7._o against_o the_o old_a procestants_n as_o to_o the_o point_n let_v he_o know_v that_o reasonable_a sheep_n under_o the_o gosp_n have_v more_o to_o do_v in_o their_o spiritual_a government_n they_o brute_n beast_n have_v to_o do_v in_o their_o government_n sensual_a last_o here_o he_o can_v easy_o scoff_v and_o revile_v the_o modest_a &_o christian_a offer_n of_o disputation_n &_o those_o that_o favour_n it_o &_o some_o of_o we_o he_o will_v help_v to_o persecute_v but_o undertake_v that_o offer_v honest_o &_o plain_o he_o never_o will_n he_o say_v 82._o say_v pag._n 82._o we_o understand_v the_o speech_n of_o 5.22_o of_o 1._o tim._n 5.22_o lay_v on_o of_o hand_n as_o direct_v not_o to_o timothy_n but_o to_o the_o people_n &_o to_o titus_n 3.10_o titus_n tit._n 3.10_o avoid_v a_o haeretik_a or_o excommunicate_a he_o that_o be_v thou_o people_n which_o be_v false_a we_o understand_v it_o not_o so_o he_o do_v therefore_o herein_o slander_v us._n we_o know_v these_o word_n be_v direct_v to_o timothy_n &_o titus_n yet_o to_o they_o not_o as_o lord_n over_o the_o people_n nor_o as_o sole_a ruler_n but_o as_o guide_n and_o director_n of_o they_o as_o father_n to_o inform_v they_o not_o as_o master_n to_o over-rule_v they_o and_o force_v they_o to_o they_o therefore_o by_o name_n as_o the_o principal_a agent_n in_o all_o ordinary_a government_n the_o epistle_n and_o these_o precept_n be_v write_v and_o so_o the_o apostle_n here_o hold_v it_o not_o needful_a to_o mention_v the_o people_n though_o neither_o do_v he_o exclude_v they_o see_v their_o consent_n in_o such_o affair_n be_v chap._n be_v see_v before_o pag._n 76._o also_o towards_o the_o end_n of_o this_o chap._n elsewhere_o in_o scripture_n sufficient_o prove_v and_o the_o apostle_n practise_v in_o this_o behalf_n they_o know_v well_o enough_o which_o know_v practice_n of_o the_o apostle_n it_o here_o behove_v timothy_n &_o titus_n to_o have_v regard_n unto_o together_o with_o these_o precept_n write_v to_o they_o for_o they_o stand_v together_o well_o enough_o he_o say_v the_o church_n at_o first_o be_v govern_v by_o the_o apostle_n etc._n etc._n i_o answer_v they_o be_v but_o not_o without_o the_o people_n concurrence_n and_o consent_n as_o present_o before_o be_v observe_v but_o d._n downame_n avouch_v 8â_n avouch_v def._n 4_o 8â_n our_o bishop_n at_o this_o day_n have_v not_o great_a authoââtie_n in_o menage_v church_n cause_n than_o timothy_n and_o titus_n have_v which_o be_v notorious_o untrue_a these_o follow_v the_o apostle_n take_v the_o people_n consent_n with_o they_o our_o bishop_n do_v not_o they_o only_o teach_v they_o &_o persuade_v they_o &_o use_v spiritual_a power_n we_o if_o they_o can_v not_o persuade_v the_o people_n or_o their_o pastor_n will_v cast_v they_o in_o prison_n punish_v their_o body_n &_o their_o purse_n he_o say_v timothy_n &_o titus_n may_v use_v the_o presence_n or_o consent_n of_o the_o people_n or_o the_o counsel_n and_o advise_v of_o the_o presbyter_n in_o ãâã_d of_o great_a moment_n as_o prince_n do_v in_o commonwealth_n i_o think_v it_o be_v a_o stately_a
and_o princelike_a prelacy_n which_o this_o doctor_n hunt_v after_o though_o in_o many_o place_n of_o his_o book_n he_o dissemble_v and_o will_v not_o have_v they_o call_v sole_a governor_n here_o he_o plain_o show_v that_o he_o hold_v the_o bishop_n may_v take_v the_o people_n consent_n and_o presbyter_n advise_v if_o they_o like_v it_o if_o not_o than_o they_o may_v nevertheless_o proceed_v and_o not_o stand_v upon_o it_o as_o prince_n may_v do_v in_o common_a wealth_n true_o all_o find_a writer_n ever_o have_v hold_v this_o in_o church-governement_n to_o be_v right_o 45._o right_o see_v our_o attestator_n pag._n 23._o 25._o 26._o 27._o 29._o 31._o 32._o 33._o 35._o 36._o 37._o 42._o 45._o tyrannical_a &_o wronghfull_a oppression_n of_o christian_a man_n conscience_n and_o yet_o as_o i_o have_v oft_o say_v we_o grant_v the_o sway_n of_o the_o ecclesiastical_a government_n to_o be_v indeed_o in_o the_o bishop_n ordinary_o but_o not_o absolute_o the_o consequence_n of_o his_o 83._o his_o pag._n 83._o next_o proposition_n i_o deny_v also_o viz._n the_o thing_n write_v to_o inform_v not_o timothy_n &_o titus_n alone_o as_o extraordinary_a person_n but_o they_o &_o their_o successor_n to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o world_n be_v write_v to_o inform_v diocesan_n bishop_n they_o be_v not_o diocesan_a bishop_n be_v no_o successor_n of_o timothy_n and_o titus_n nor_o intend_v by_o the_o apostle_n they_o come_v after_o by_o reason_n of_o that_o apostasy_n which_o through_o god_n determinat_fw-la counsel_n be_v to_o come_v over_o christendom_n without_o which_o go_v before_o antichrist_n can_v not_o have_v stand_v up_o he_o add_v 84._o add_v pag._n 84._o the_o authority_n commit_v to_o tim._n and_o tit_n be_v perpetual_o necessary_a it_o be_v true_a material_o not_o formal_o as_o before_o be_v say_v beside_o tim._n &_o tit._n themselves_o have_v not_o the_o authority_n which_o diocesan_n bishop_n have_v it_o be_v far_o less_o therefore_o these_o be_v not_o their_o successor_n where_o he_o will_v prove_v it_o first_o disjunctive_o 86._o disjunctive_o pag._n 86._o either_o they_o or_o the_o presbytery_n or_o the_o congregation_n be_v their_o successor_n i_o answer_v this_o disjunction_n be_v unsufficient_a he_o reckon_v not_o pastor_n or_o bishop_n of_o one_o ordinary_a congregation_n only_o they_o be_v the_o immediate_a successor_n of_o timothy_n &_o titus_n speak_v of_o such_o a_o succession_n as_o they_o have_v and_o may_v have_v be_v evangelist_n about_o 200._o year_n after_o christ_n titular_a diocesan_n succeed_v they_o after_o 300._o year_n office_n these_o improper_o succeed_v viz._n in_o place_n not_o in_o office_n diocesan_n with_o maioritie_n of_o power_n and_o rule_v succeed_v after_o they_o long_o come_v the_o proper_a and_o complete_a diocesan_n prelate_n the_o diocesan_n lord_n bishop_n of_o who_o our_o question_n be_v indeed_o but_o among_o all_o these_o whosoever_o be_v a_o bishop_n real_o of_o mo_z ordinary_a congregation_n than_o one_o therein_o he_o succeed_v not_o timothy_n nor_o titus_n nor_o any_o apostle_n who_o never_o intend_v any_o such_o ordinary_a successor_n and_o succession_n in_o place_n with_o dissent_n in_o doctrine_n be_v a_o false_a succession_n beside_o a_o presbytery_n do_v 17.28_o do_v act._n 20_o 17.28_o precede_v timothy_n in_o ephesus_n therefore_o they_o may_v lawful_o succeed_v as_o they_o do_v now_o in_o the_o dutch_a and_o french_a reform_v church_n the_o people_n also_o have_v in_o act_n succeed_v lawful_o at_o sometime_o as_o the_o d._n himself_o 99_o himself_o pag._n 99_o know_v and_o therefore_o so_o they_o may_v again_o on_o occasion_n then_o he_o will_v 87._o will_v pag._n 86._o 87._o name_v bishop_n that_o succeed_v timothiâ_n and_o titus_n mean_v he_o proper_a diocesan_n l._n bishop_n if_o he_o do_v not_o he_o trifle_v but_o who_o be_v they_o first_o the_o angel_n of_o ephesus_n and_o onesimus_n nay_o these_o be_v bishop_n only_o of_o one_o ordinary_a congregation_n and_o that_o within_o the_o city_n ephesus_n as_o 227._o as_o pag._n 206._o 227._o before_o i_o have_v note_v that_o polycrates_n and_o philip_n of_o gortyna_n in_o crete_n be_v such_o also_o i_o have_v show_v 231._o show_v pag._n 235._o 231._o before_o as_o also_o the_o doct._n falsehood_n about_o philip._n where_o he_o say_v 87._o say_v pag._n 87._o every_o metropolitan_a be_v a_o diocesan_n it_o be_v untrue_a the_o first_o bishop_n be_v metropolitan_n that_o be_v bishop_n in_o mother-city_n yet_o they_o be_v not_o diocesan_n bishop_n viz._n over_o mo_z ordinary_a congregation_n then_o one_o he_o say_v he_o read_v not_o any_o where_n of_o the_o next_o successor_n to_o titus_n indeed_o he_o read_v of_o no_o proper_a successor_n to_o titus_n at_o all_o nor_o to_o tim._n etc._n etc._n ordinary_a pastor_n of_o congregation_n succeed_v these_o extraordinary_a man_n as_o they_o also_o succeed_v the_o apostle_n viz._n improper_o not_o in_o their_o whole_a and_o proper_a office_n our_o d._n follow_v d._n dove_n will_v prove_v that_o timothy_n &_o titus_n have_v 89._o have_v pag_n 89._o their_o ordinary_a residence_n in_o ephesus_n &_o in_o crete_n because_o one_o be_v will_v ââ_o will_v 1._o tim_n 1._o ââ_o ãâã_d ãâã_d ãâã_d ãâã_d ãâã_d to_o abide_v at_o ephesus_n 1.5_o tit._n 1.5_o the_o other_o ãâã_d ãâã_d ãâã_d ãâã_d ãâã_d to_o redress_v further_o the_o thing_n which_o he_o find_v there_o amiss_o it_o be_v true_a for_o a_o time_n each_o of_o they_o be_v so_o resident_a but_o not_o always_o nor_o till_o they_o die_v for_o not_o long_o after_o timothy_n be_v 4.9_o be_v 2._o tim._n 4.9_o call_v away_o and_o tychicus_n a_o other_o evangelist_n be_v send_v to_o 2d_o to_o eph._n 6_o 2d_o ephesus_n in_o his_o room_n when_o if_o timothy_n have_v be_v there_o still_o it_o seem_v there_o have_v ben_fw-mi no_o need_n of_o tychicus_n neither_o will_v paul_n have_v leave_v he_o unsaluted_a and_o unnamed_a in_o that_o epistle_n to_o the_o ephesian_n also_o the_o apostle_n 1â_n apostle_n philip._n 2_o 1â_n intend_v that_o timothy_n be_v come_v from_o ephesus_n shall_v undertake_v the_o charge_n of_o philipps_n therefore_o he_o be_v now_o loose_a and_o free_a from_o ephesus_n writer_n also_o say_v that_o john_n the_o apostle_n afterward_o be_v at_o ephesus_n do_v a_o bishoply_n office_n when_o sure_o timothy_n be_v not_o bishop_n there_o yet_o as_o may_v be_v think_v he_o be_v then_o live_v our_o d._n add_v that_o bishop_n &_o other_o pastor_n may_v be_v absent_a from_o their_o cure_n upon_o special_a and_o extraordinary_a occasion_n it_o be_v untrue_a they_o may_v not_o residenââ_n now_o residenââ_n all_o religion_n and_o piety_n forbid_v it_o unless_o it_o be_v with_o their_o church_n express_a consent_n which_o timothy_n here_o have_v not_o the_o apostle_n as_o he_o alone_o place_v he_o at_o ephesus_n so_o he_o alone_o without_o the_o church_n call_v he_o away_o you_o will_v say_v and_o he_o alone_o may_v do_v so_o true_a the_o apostle_n alone_o may_v do_v so_o with_o evangelist_n but_o he_o may_v not_o with_o bishop_n and_o pastor_n these_o be_v more_o in_o their_o church_n power_n then_o so_o neither_o indeed_o have_v it_o be_v 93._o be_v pag._n 93._o a_o matter_n of_o good_a report_n nor_o of_o good_a example_n as_o his_o refuter_fw-la say_v well_o if_o timothy_n be_v the_o ephesian_n proper_a bishop_n have_v without_o their_o special_a grant_n go_v from_o they_o chief_o so_o long_a time_n and_o so_o far_o of_o and_o to_o take_v charge_n of_o another_o place_n neither_o very_o have_v paul_n any_o need_n so_o to_o take_v away_o a_o proper_a pastor_n from_o his_o flock_n the_o same_o likewise_o be_v to_o be_v say_v of_o titus_n his_o departure_n from_o crete_n first_o to_o rome_n then_o to_o dalmatia_n but_o he_o will_v prove_v that_o 91._o that_o pag._n 91._o they_o live_v and_o dye_v in_o ephesus_n and_o crete_n if_o they_o do_v yet_o it_o follow_v not_o that_o therefore_o they_o be_v bishop_n there_o nor_o yet_o that_o they_o have_v ordinary_a 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mean_a that_o any_o first_o presbyter_n in_o a_o church_n be_v formal_o appoint_v to_o ãâã_d diocese_n under_o the_o apostle_n some_o kind_n of_o 89._o of_o see_v before_o pag._n 89._o diocese_n be_v apostolic_a but_o he_o show_v sufficient_o that_o these_o bb._n diocese_n begin_v somewhile_o after_o the_o apostle_n in_o that_o he_o say_v 6.24_o say_v bez._n de_fw-fr grad_v min._n 6.24_o they_o be_v first_o frame_v according_a to_o the_o division_n of_o the_o province_n under_o the_o roman_a empire_n which_o very_o be_v nor_o regard_v in_o the_o apostle_n time_n nor_o in_o the_o next_o age_n after_o wherefore_o beza_n mean_v the_o first_o presbyter_n thus_o assign_v formal_o be_v after_o the_o apostle_n &_o their_o abuse_a name_n bishop_n also_o last_o i_o can_v pass_v how_o insolent_o the_o d._n etc._n d._n def._n 3.15_o etc._n etc._n taunt_v i_o for_o observe_v many_o sort_n of_o bishop_n and_o namely_o for_o 7._o for_o in_o reas_fw-la for_o ref_o pag._n 7._o set_v down_o six_o sort_n of_o they_o also_o for_o be_v ignorant_a whether_o jerusalem_n or_o caesarea_n have_v the_o patriarchship_n &_o for_o suppose_v diocesan_n rule_v bishop_n may_v begin_v with_o dionysius_n at_o aâexandria_n and_o for_o not_o speak_v any_o thing_n of_o metropolitan_o beginning_n let_v the_o d._n know_v i_o be_v not_o ignorant_a that_o jerusalem_n have_v the_o patriarchship_n but_o it_o be_v a_o question_n and_o that_o i_o mean_v to_o touch_v whether_o jerusalem_n exercise_v ordinary_a jurisdiction_n over_o caeâarea_n &_o the_o province_n thereof_o or_o not_o margin_n pag._n 8._o in_o margin_n but_o it_o be_v a_o matter_n of_o no_o worth_n therefore_o i_o pass_v it_o substance_n metropolitan_o diocesan_n patriarch_n all_o one_o in_o substance_n metropolitan_o in_o his_o sense_n ãâã_d speak_v not_o of_o when_o i_o reckon_v up_o the_o liver_n sort_n of_o bishop_n because_o in_o substance_n of_o their_o office_n they_o be_v all_o âne_n with_o diocesan_n archbishop_n and_o patriarch_n 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