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A85946 Touching the subject of supremacy in causes ecclesiastical. Diatriba quædam Oxoniensis cujusdam. Tending to peace and setling, by shewing how the powers civil and ecclesiastical may act in their own sphæres without incroachment on one another. July 12. 1647. Imprimatur John Downame. Geree, John, 1601?-1649. 1647 (1647) Wing G601; Thomason E398_14; ESTC R201689 3,929 8

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20.23_o 1_o cor._n 5.3_o 4_o 5_o 13._o 2_o thess_n 3.6_o 14._o 1_o tim._n 1.19_o 20._o 2._o it_o be_v apparent_a that_o these_o censure_n be_v formal_o to_o be_v administer_v only_o by_o church_n officer_n appoint_v thereto_o by_o jesus_n christ_n as_o the_o magistrate_n may_v not_o 20._o not_o 2_o chro._n 26.18_o 19_o 20._o preach_v administer_v the_o sacrament_n etc._n etc._n so_o may_v he_o not_o execute_v spiritual_a censure_n the_o key_n of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n be_v not_o give_v to_o state_n but_o church-officer_n mat._n 16.19_o joh._n 20.23_o 3._o as_o none_o can_v excommunicate_v so_o none_o can_v absolve_v formal_o but_o the_o officer_n that_o excommunicate_v he_o only_o that_o bind_v can_v loose_v so_o that_o in_o this_o respect_n the_o supremacy_n of_o power_n in_o spiritual_a cause_n may_v be_v say_v to_o lie_v in_o the_o church-officer_n because_o none_o can_v formal_o undo_v what_o they_o have_v do_v 4._o but_o now_o we_o be_v to_o observe_v a_o true_a and_o 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church-officer_n 10._o there_o be_v a_o great_a deal_n of_o difference_n between_o those_o thing_n which_o a_o magistrate_n do_v by_o way_n of_o usurpation_n beyond_o the_o limit_n of_o his_o power_n and_o those_o which_o he_o do_v by_o corruption_n abuse_v his_o power_n that_o be_v in_o thing_n wherein_o he_o have_v just_a power_n if_o he_o do_v observe_v the_o rule_n set_v he_o of_o god_n in_o thing_n wherein_o he_o have_v no_o power_n his_o command_n be_v null_a a_o christian_a stand_v not_o oblige_v but_o where_o he_o have_v power_n but_o do_v abuse_v it_o there_o a_o christian_a be_v to_o submit_v himself_o by_o do_v or_o suffer_v and_o suffer_v either_o the_o loss_n of_o such_o privilege_n as_o be_v in_o the_o magistrate_n power_n to_o indulge_v or_o deny_v or_o undergo_a such_o pain_n as_o the_o magistrate_n shall_v inflict_v 11._o the_o church-officer_n must_v in_o this_o be_v subject_a and_o subordinate_a to_o the_o magistrate_n or_o the_o magistrate_n to_o the_o 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