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Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
power_n	bind_v	church_n	loose_v	4,001	5	10.0884	5	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A91891	The peoples plea for the exercise of prophesie. Against master John Yates his monopolie / by Iohn Robinson.	Robinson, John, 1575?-1625.	1641 (1641)	Wing R1696; Thomason E1093_1; ESTC R208638	39,795	82

necessarily follow that any ordinary example will breake this rule if it be not framed accordingly therfore I constantly affirme that no ordinary prophesie ought to be out of office As for extraordinary that can not oppose this rule because it is o● an other nature and therefore is not to be limited within the compasse of an ordinary rule Secondly I answer That all the prophesies out of office were by the secret motion of the spirit which was warrant for all such a● had no calling by office thereunto ANSW I. Robinson THat all prophesie in publick and in priuate also is for the remitting and retaning of sinnes I acknowledge but that Christ grants this power to none but to such as he sends and ordaines by the Commission given Iohn 20. 21 c. I plainly deny and require his proofe He should then grant it to none but to Apostles for the commission there given is peculiar conveyed to them immediatly from Christ confirmed by the miraculous in breathing of the H. Ghost and by them to be exercised and dispensed principally towards unbeleevers of all which nothing i● common to ordinary officers As Christ then gives power of binding and loosing sins to the Apostle● there so else where to ordinary Pastors Ephe. 4 Else where to the whole Church gathered together in one Mat 15. 17. 18. 1. Cor 5. 2 Cor. 6. 6. 7 8 9. 10. And Lastly in other places to every faithfull brother confessing Iesus Christ Mat 16. 18. 19. c. and Cap. 18. 15. Luk. 17. 3. And since the power of binding and loosing sinnes is onely by way of manifestation and declaration of the word of God the Law and the Gospell Look unto whom the word of God is given vnto him the power of binding and loosing sins is giuen though to be vsed by divers states of persons after a diverse order which order doth in no sort abolish the being of the thing but only preserues it from confusion And where he takes it for granted that the examples for Prophesying out of office in the Scriptures were extraordinary as Cains marryng of his Sister and the Iewes the Isralites he should say stealing from the Egiptians his comparisons are without compasse and his affirmations without truth These their practices were against the light of nature and morall law then written in the tables of mens hearts and afterwards written in the tables of stone s●ue as there was an extraordinary dispensation by the Lord of the Law and God of nature But what like is there in this that a man out of office hauing receiued a gift of God whither extraordinary or ordinary by which he is enabled to prophesie that is to speake to edification exhortation and comfort of the Church should so use the same good gift of God in his time and order What Eclipse is here of the light of nature or violation of naturall honesty if M. Yates had remembred the Law which forbad men to Plough with an oxe and asse together Deu. 22. 10. he Would not thus haue yoked together things of so vnlike kinde And for the secret motion of the spirit by which in his second answer he affirmeth that all prophesies out of office were he speaketh both that which is true and against himselfe For what were these secret motions of the spirit but the Prophets zeal for Gods glory and mans good which also were sufficient on their part for the use of the gift whither ordinary or extraordinary whither in men in office or out it was not material So that for the vse even of an extraordinary gift there was required at least at all times no extraordinary motion of the Spirit But onely that which was and is ordinary to them and us God therfore for his own glory and the good of his people giuing the gift whither extraordinary or ordinarily unto a man he hath a warrant sufficient from his zeale to Gods glory and mans saluation to use the same gift in his time place and order Of which hereafter M. Yates A. R G. ● FROM the execution of a publick function in the Church Prophecy ordinary is by preaching to bring the glad tidyngs of peace and good things to Gods people and this the Apostle sayes is not warrantable without sending Rom. 10. 15. We must feed the flock because we are set ouer it Acts. 20. 20 to prophesy to Gods people is an honourable calling and none ought to take it upon him but he that is called of God as was Aron Heb. 5. 4. The place of Iudas is called a Charge Act. 1. 20. the ministers are the light of the world Mat. 5. 14. Stars in the right hand of Christ Rev. 1. 20. Iohn was a man sent from God Ioh. 1. 6. Christ sent his Apostles in the midst of wolues Mat. 10. 16. I haue not sent these Prophets sayt● the Lord and yet they ran Ier. 23. 2. as many as found not their Genealogie to be from Levi from Aaron he should say were put from the priesthood Neh. 7. 64. All these places keep us to an ordinary rule and for all ordinary prophecying there can be no exception from it without an open breach thereof as for all your places of prophecying out of office they are all of them to be vnderstood of the extraordinary which cannot be tyed to ordinary rules For so we should abridge God of his liberty but we must beware of imitation least we become licentious ANSWER HERE is a long harvest for a small croppe All that can be gathered hence either by reaping or gleaning is no more then that no man may exercise a publick function or office of ministry in the Church without a lawfull sending or calling from the Lord by the meanes which he hath sanctified Which as it concerneth M. Yates well to consider of especially reckoning as he professedly doth his Genealogy from the Pope of Rome so doth it not impeach our prophets at all who haue a lawfull calling for the use of their gift though not so solemne neither need they as they who are to exercise and fulfill a constant ministery and charge But for the word Sending which he so much urgeth it must be known that as all that teach lawfully whither in office or not are sent by Christ in respect of their personall gifts and graces so ordinary officers are not sent by those who appoint them to minister as were the extraordinary Apostles sent by Christ who appointed them Sending importeth a passing of the sent from the sender to an other and so the Apostles were sent by Christ to preach the Gospell to the Iewes and Gentiles but so are not Pastors sent by the Church which calleth them vnto others but by her appoynted to minister to her selfe They who were in their time Apostles afterwards they might be sent to minister they who are Pastors are sent by Christ first as members or in their persons or personal gifts that as pastors they may afterwards be