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A84830 Truth's defence against the refined subtilty of the serpent held forth in divers answers to severall queries made by men (called ministers) in the North. Given forth by the light and power of God appearing in George Fox and Richard Hubberthorn Fox, George, 1624-1691.; Hubberthorn, Richard, 1628-1662. 1653 (1653) Wing F1970; Thomason E724_12; ESTC R207270 97,279 111

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seen in Heaven and Earth yea or no Answ to the ninth Query In it thou art compleat if thou didst see thy self in the mystery of iniquity fencing with thy weapons which are spiritual wickednesses which lodgeth in the highest place and with thy thoughts and imaginacions as it doth openly appear to him that obeys the Light so thou drawest People to look after visible things and to worship in the Idols Temple 1 Cor. 8. 10. to that which thy Reason can understand and thy carnal eye can see and thy carnal ear can hear so thou worshipest the Host of Heaven and that is thy Heaven and thy Earth but Heaven is Gods Throne and thou with thy carnal eye canst never see that but drawst all under to thy worship and that thou bowest down to to thy own imaginacions within and then thou settest up somthing without thee and bringest others to bow down to thy Images and Idols without thee which thou ●ast set up which flows from the spiritual wickedness within thee in the highest place and there thou dost climb up to the highest Pinnacle and he that will bow down and worship thee thou givest thy glory to him if he will not thou drawest out thy carnal weapons to murder him for all the Ministers of the Letter are Persecutors of the Spirit where thou shewest thy self to be one but Friend the Light which is exhorted to take heed unto 2 Pet. 1. 19. thy dark minde cannot comprehend thy ear cannot hear thy eye cannot see therefore dost thou stumble as he who was the Light sayd and he that waits in the Light which Light is Christ it guides him up to God and to the Church in God and to bow down to nothing bu● God 1 Thess 1. 1. and it teacheth to know things that be eternal and invisible by which Light we deny all thy Images Forms Rites and Customs all thy Images within thee and the Idols without thee for thou art full of them Praysed be the Lord God Almighty who is come to teach his children and hath gathered us from your mouths who made a prey upon us who wandred from Mountain to Mountain but now the Lord hath fulfilled his Promise and is fulfilling it for thou art full of Images and art the well-coloured Beast and hast the well-coloured Robes and art the Harlot out of the truth Nah. 3. 4. who deceives with thy evil eye to draw People to visible things 10 Query Whether to say obey the Light that is within and that is life and disobey it that 's death be not to speak according to the tenour of the old Covenant which sayth Do this and live yea or no Answ to the tenth Query In the Observance of outward things and Tradicions there is a difference in the obeying of the Light within and observing things without as the Apostle sayd Take heed to the Light within you untill the day dawn and the day-star arise in your hearts 2 Pet. 1. 19. who witnessed the new Covenant and they that did obey the Light within saw through the old and saw Christ so a new command I give unto you yet not a new but an old if thou hast an ear thou mayst hear but as I sayd to thee before it is that which thy Reason cannot comprehend nor never shall and ye are sanctified through the obedience of the Spirit John 17. 19. 1 Pet. 1. 22. and thy intent in these Queryes is to draw into disobedience from the Light of God within them to follow the imaginacions of such as thou art but who doth obey the Light thou art discovered to them and thou and all who hate this Light it is thine and their condemnacion and eternally shalt thou witness me for to the Light I speak which thy dark minde cannot comprehend and all who disobeys the Light holds the truth in an unrighteous minde Rom. 10. 16. but the Lord Jesus Christ is coming Who will render vengeance in flames of fier upon all them who know not God and that obeys not the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ 2 Thess 1. 8. now thou mayst call this the old Covenant and the Covenant of Works who livest in the mystery of iniquity and art disobedient who art one in that generacion that is disobedient to the Gospel of our Lord Iesus Christ and seekest to keep others in the same generacion from obeying the Gospel of our Lord Iesus Christ with all thy beastical power in these ten Queryes who hast uttered forth thy ten Horns that pusheth with them against the Lamb and against the Saints Dan. 7. 7. but the Lamb hath got the victory over the Beast and over the false Prophets the Light that doth enlighten every one that cometh into the world this Light he dwelleth in which sees thee which hath answered these Queryes who art without yet so as not to the feeding of that minde and reason which must die in thee for Plagues and Wo and Judgment and Vengeance and Flames of Fier will the Lord render upon thee who doth not obey the Gospel 2 Thess 1. 8. and so fare thee well for in the Pit and Fall thou art one that doth disobey the Light and hatest the Light and stumblest at it and there thou standest condemned for to that in thy conscience do I speak 2 Cor. 4. 2. which shall eternally witness me 2 Cor. 5. 11. FINIS Certain QUERIES given forth by a sort of high Professors that dwell in Farnez Fels in Lancashire and sent to George Fox which are answered by him and their subtlety and deceits discovered and layd open 1 Query WHether Jesus Christ have a Body in Heaven if he hath whether it is the same that appeared among men in the flesh or what manner of Body hath he Is he a particular Man or Person incompassed with a Body to live in for ever or is it the Body which the Saints shall have when all flesh shall be raised to the last Judgment Answ Thou wouldst know whether Iesus Christ have a Body in Heaven he remains in the Heavens if thou hast an Eare thou mayst hear And whereas thou wouldst know whether it be the same that appeared amongst men it is the same that did descend the same did ascend Ephes 4. 10. he that hath an Eare to hear let him hear and whereas thou wouldst know what manner of Body he hath here thou art disputing as the Devil was about the Body of Moses with Michael the Archangel who sayd The Lord rebuke thee so say I now the Lord rebuke thee who art disputing about the Body of Christ for the Body of Christ is but one which makes free from the Law and sin and he is the Head of the Body which is the Church but this to thee is a mystery and he liveth in his Body Rom. 7. 4. and whereas thou wouldst know whether it be the Body which the Saints shall have Col. 1. 18. when all flesh shall be raised to the last Judgment here
nothing Thou deaf Adder and Serpent who art full of Cockatrices Psal 8. 4. for if thou couldst see but thou art blinde thou mightst see the same gift amongst us as was among the Apostles for we witness the same by the same spirit according to the operacion but the lying spirit in thee can judg no otherways of truth it self but to be a lying spirit for it is in the generacion of them that know nothing of the truth for that Spirit that we are led by thou knowest not for if thou wert led by the same Spirit we should be one with thee but Friend thy spirit is tryed and known to be the spirit of Error thou sayst the Prophets erred not in declaring the minde of God to you thou knowest not the Spirit that the Prophets were guided by nor thou knowest not the minde of God though thou hast the outside a declaracion which is to the visible eye without thee but art in the generacion of them that could tell by the Prophets words where Christ should be born yet they sought to put him to death Mark 14. 64. the chief Priests and so thou art one of them which is an Enemy to Christ where he is born now as they were them and as Iannes and Iambres witstood Moses so dost thou resist the truth out of a corrupt minde in the state of Iannes and Iambres out of the faith a Reprobate as thou hast openly shewed it but thou shalt proceed no farther for thy folly is and shall be made manifest 2 Tim. 3. 9. Thou sayst thou hast taken pains to answer these Queries thou hast wrested many Scriptures as it is made manifest to maintain thee in the state of the Pharises and to maintain thee an Enemy against Christ and to maintain thee to be one of Balaams Prophets and to maintain thee to be one of the hierlings and to justifie that which Christ forbids and to maintain thee to hold up that horrible filty thing that is committed in the Land and to bear rule by thy means Ier. 5. 30 31. which the Prophets cryed against and with the Prophets words and Christs words and with the Apostles words thou wouldst shelter thy self and make thy self a cover to maintain thee in thy filthiness but the Lord God of power is coming to uncover thee and lay thee more and more open and make thee bare that thy filthyness may appear to the end that the simple ones who are in captivity under thy subtlety and snare of iniquity may be delivered and peoples mindes directed unto God that ●e alone may be exalted to whom be all prayse honor and glory for ever And Friend thou sayst that thou desirest that the Lord would open our eys thou tempter of the Lord thy Lord we deny and thy Prayers we deny the Lord hath opened our eys Prayse and glory be to him for ever the Lord hath opened our eys without thy Prayers Matth. 20. 34. therefore we deny them they are abominacion and contrary to thy means hath the Lord opened our eys 1 Iohn 1. 1. neither is there any thing of God in thy Answers but thou and thy imaginacions are raced out for ever and all thy pains thou speakest of are the works of thy own hands which were ever cryed out against Thou desirest we may escape out of the snare of Satan where it is broken we have escaped out of thy snares where they are broken Psal ●24 7. and therefore out of thy dominion and from under thy power are we come and see thee to be one that the Devil ensnares who art one of his Souldiers and not of Christs fighting for the Devils Kingdom and fighting against the Saints with thy carnal weapons and against ●he Lamb but the Lamb hath got the victory over the Beast Prayses prayses be to the Lord God Almighty for every Amen FINIS QUERIES sent by Gabriel Camelford to the People who out of reproach and envy of the blinde and dark world are called Quakers Answered by the Spirit of the Lord which doth enlighten and shine in our hearts and those that live in the pure light of God and can reade with the Spirit may see him taken in his own Snare and condemned out of own mouth and his Deceits layd open Query 1. WHat is a Reprobate 2 Cor. 13. 5. Answer Whereas thou wouldst know what a Reprobate is thou art out of the truth hated of God a Childe of the Devil an Enemy of Righteousness the Son of Perdicion in whom Christ rules not but the works of the flesh who knows not the Light that enlightneth every one that cometh into world but denyes it and hates it Query 2. Whether Christ be in a Reprobate to lead him to God Answ Thou askest thou knowest not what Shall ever a Reprobate enter to God Jacob have I loved Esau have I hated and Christ condemns the Reprobate and the Reprobate hates the Light Iohn 3. 19 20. as thou dost which shews forth the works of darkness and there thou art a Reprobate and one that knows not the Light that enlightneth every one that comes into the world and this Light shall condemn thee who keepest others in the same nature with thy fair glosses and colours which thou settest upon the Scriptures which must go into the Lake and into perdicion who livest in thy filthy and fleshly imaginacions which ever was cursed from God Psal 101. 5. an Enemy of Righteousness whom the Lord according to his promise will scatter who livest in thy imaginacious and conceivings Rom. 1. 21. and there thou art Query 3. If so why are not all men brought to God Answ Because they hate the Light as thou dost and lovest the darkness tather than the Light because thy deeds are evil Dost thou profess thy self to be a Minister of Iesus Christ and queriest why all men are not brought to God here openly thou hast shewed thy self to be a Hater of the Light for shame give over and blush Christ sayth I am the Light which enlightneth every one which cometh into the world Ioh. 1. 9. which thou art ignorant of he that loves the Light and walks in the Light there is no occasion of stumbling but thou that hatest the Light thy deeds are evil and therefore thou stumblest Iohn 11. 9 10. and there is thy condemnacion which is the Light and with such blinde Guides as thou art are poor people lead from the Light within them which should guide them to God to hearken to thy imaginacions and to fall down to thy images but the Plagues of God will be poured down upon the Beast and the false Prophet Deut. 28. 59. and thou art one which keepest people from God Query 4. Whether any man hath power to resist in the day when he comes to draw the soul to himself A●sw Here thou shewest that thou dost not know the power of God neither hast tasted of it but standst in the power of Satan and dost resist and deny but
Truth 's Defence AGAINST the Refined Subtilty OF THE SERPENT Held forth in divers ANSWERS to severall QUERIES made by men called Ministers in the North. Given forth by the Light and Power of God appearing in GEORGE FOX and RICHARD HUBBERTHORN And they watched him and sent forth Spies which should feign themselves just men that they might take hold of his words that so they might deliver him into the power and authority of the Governours Luke 20. 20. Printed for Tho Wayt at his house in the Pavement in York 1653. To all general Professors of CHRIST in the VVorld WHat think ●e Is it not yet time to cease from strife but ye must be still beating your fellow Servants even when your Master is at the Door Have ye not yet understood the Parable of the Tares and Wheat that they should grow together till the Harvest and now is not the Harvest almost ripe Hath not the wisdom of Man had a long day of judging the righteous Seed But now that Seed i● rising up to judg it be silent then and ceas● from Man ● while and thou shalt see his highest wisdom declared to be his greatest folly what will it profit thee to resist the breathings forth of the Spirit of Righteousness in any will it not add fuel to that unquenchable fier which already burns as an Oven tho it may be thou see it not yet but as it was of old sayd In the last days shall come Scoffers men which onely have a Form of Godliness but deny and oppose the Power where ever it appears 't is well if it happen not to this Generation as it did in the days of Noah the Preacher of Righteousness the world then being drowned in the sensual life they could not hear nor understand therefore the Flood came and swept them away He not high-minded but fear for though ye have heaped to your selves many Teachers and clothed your selves with many Forms of Worship yet these will not abide the ●ier nor defend you from the Iudgment that is coming upon you consider what a Night of Confusion is already upon you how are ye shattered and rent asunder that you cannot give a tru account what ye are or where you are this is the Lords doing that will spoil you of all your Idols and make you ashamed of your hard speeches against the innocent Cannot you be content to suck what sweet you can as long as you can out of the pride and vanityes of this World but you must push with you Horns the low and contemptibl● Servants of Christ who through his mighty power is now raising up those Valleys whereon himself will sit in them with them to judg that spirit in you both quick and dead Divers QUERIES of great importance propounded by Thomas Atkinson of Cartmall in Lancashire TO Gabriel Camelford Parson of Stafley-Chappel with his Answers to them Also REPLIES to the ANSVVERS wherein is layd open the subtilty and deceit of the Priest and his Invencions Snares and Baits and false Imaginations discovered by the pure light of God which hath shined in our hearts and hath given us to see the darkness which he and the World live in hating this Light which hath appeared and enlightned every one that cometh into the World Iohn 1. 9. and all who are guided by this Light and have a pure eye opened in them which is the light of the body may see and discern the darkness blindness and ignorance of the Priest I Have received many confused Queries which came from a dark minde which would know the condicions of the Apostles or have another meaning to the Scriptures and that minde I do deny for if thou have the Spirit that gave them forth then thou wouldst witness us but as a Serpént full of Venom hast thou shewed forth thy self spuing forth thy venom which must be turned into Hell who errest not knowing the Scriptures and the power of God Friend in thy Queries thou askest thou dost not know what for some Queries were sent to thee and thou lookedst upon them to be frivelous and absurd things so thou mayst look upon that which Christ spoke and the Apostles and the Prophets and say that is frivolous and absurd for they were given forth all by one Spirit according to measure as they ever did in that Generation they are so with thy frivolous and absurd minde though thy frivolous and absurd minde ●●serve such things for thy ends Thou sayst they were condemned to the fier to be burned which if they had it would have been a figure to thy self which Nature could do no other for they came to torment him and thee who are for the fier as it is written The Beast and the false Prophet shall be turned into the fier you might as well have condemned the Scriptures to the fier And I have received certain Papers in which there is confusion which thou callest thy Answers and many confused Queries which hath come from a Babylonian Merchant which hath sent some of his stuff to me who art the scarlet-coloured Beast and the well-favoured Harlot proceeding from a confused minde which art confused and come out of Egypt from a dark understanding in whom the Prince of the Ayer lodgeth who maintainst the Devils Kingdom with all thy force and might and power as it doth appear which would be satisfied who art in the unreasonable nature thy satisfaction must be Death therefore for the simple ones sake have I freely let forth my self in a few Answers and Replies to thy unlearned and confused Queries Questions and Answers that thy deceit might be discovered and the power of truth known and the simple ones directed and God alone glorified To all professed Ministers who have taken the title of Ministers of the Gospel of Christ who is the end of the Law and the Prophets and Shadows which shadow him forth a few Questions to you who have taken this Office upon you Querie 1. Whether thou hast that Light which enlightneth every one that cometh into the world which Light is Christ yea or no. Pr. Answ Through grace and love displayed and shed abroad in my soul I am able to say that my beloved is mine and I am his and therefore all he has is mine at least for my advantage his light as a Prophet and his love as a Saviour is mine and all to teach me and lead me to my Fathers house but thy inference thereon is absurd and foolish thine do I say I mistook the inference of thy Master or Scribe for it is not thy hand-writing and in that I wonder but that it is usual with you how you can be so contradictory to your own Principles for you generally charge others with speaking that which is not their own and yet thou comest in the face of the Congregation and givest that which is not thy own thy self for shame either deny your Principles or act and speak according to them But to let that
God hast none who crucifiest Christ now who art he that frustratest and quenchest the Spirit who must be consumed with the breath of his mouth and destroyed by the brightness of his coming thou queryest whether there be a power in every man as to be saved if he will here thou subtlety who art ditted full of Eearth hast shewed forth thy ignorance of the power of God 2 Tim. 3. 4 5. Man in his will would be saved as thou wouldst but the power of God is contrary to thy will and destroys it which saves and as many as receives Christ to them he gives power to become the sons of God Iohn 1. 12. but here thou son of perdicion hast made manifest thy self not to love Christ nor receive him therefore thou wantst power and there thou hast shewed thy self to be that wicked and slothfull servant which hidest thy Talent in the Earth Matth. 25. 26. and there is that Light and Power in every man which if he take heed to it and wait within there he shall finde his Saviour 2 Pet. 1. 19. but if he hate this pure Eternal Light it shall condem him eternally whose deeds are evil Iohn 3. 19. as thine is and so all stumbling is by being disobedient to the Light as the Iews who stumbled at Christ who sayd he was the Light that enlightneth every one that cometh into world so thou dost now at the same Light which shall be thy condemnacion eternally thou shalt witness me it is the same Light as ever was to that which should exercise your consciences do I speak which will witness me and condemn you though God is greater than Conscience 7 Query Whether there shall be a general Resurrection of all flesh all summoned to one place and to what place to receive a tru and du Sentence of Iudgment yea or no Answ Christ Iesus is the Resurrection of the just and unjust some to salvacion and some to condemnacion the same that saves the same condemns Matth. 25. 31 32 33 34. And thou desirest to know the place it is the day that God will judg thee and the world in righteousness whom he hath ordained thou busie fellow who art querying of others condicions of the world without thee but it is that thou Fool mightst utter forth thy folly and here thou hast made it appear and in thy Queryes thou art little wiser and there is a place where thou shalt finde a Judg and his Trumpet is sounding but thou art deaf yet and canst not hear it and the Sumpter-horse is gone forth 8 Query Whether may the Scriptures by the Spirit of God be opened and unfolded and expounded to the People yea or no Ans Here thou Serpent art full of subtlety High-Priest like under a colour comest and wouldst be taught but in thy other Queryes thou art teaching and judging and thou didst shew thy selfe to be one that didst not know the Light which enlightneth every one that cometh into the world and what dost thou talk of opening the Scripture who hates the Light and stumblest at it and art disobedient to the Spirit Col. 3. 6. to it thou art an Enemy Ephes 5. 6. but it is that thou mayest be kept in the high place of wickedness Ephes 2. 2. but by them who dwell in the Light thou art comprehended and taken in the snare and art without the Truth of God and an Enemy to that which should guide thee and to be a Cloud without water Iude 12. and the same Spirit where it is made manifest and lived in and walked in and not the lusts of the flesh it opens the Scriptures in the People and fulfils them for it is the same that gave them forth and where this is witnessed it needs not be queryed whether it opens the Scripture to the People or no for it doth open them in the People and to the People but thou art without the Gate of Truth what is this to thee one that art without stumblest at the Light a Childe of Disobedience whom the wrath of God abides upon Iohn 3. 36. but it is the Serpent that would be wise and wouldst paint thy self with other mens words who pretendest to have the Spirit but art a Deceiver in the world in thy Fathers Kingdom and Dominion and this shalt thou see when thou ownest the Light which is thy condemnacion and witnessest me to speak the truth George Fox FINIS Certain QUERIES given forth from one Robert Lucas of Kellet in Lancashire who is wise in his own conceit professing in words that he knows something but i● here found out to know nothing but what he knows naturally as a bruit Beast and in those things hath corrupted himself as Iude 10 and that through his wrath bitterness envy and malice against the wonderfull and mighty power of God which he hath manifested in his People which now makes the Devil to rage persecute and blaspheme and to set all his Servants a work to tempt to minister Questions to despise falsly accuse and to slander and contemn all those who are redeemed from the Earth and are Servants to the living God and walk in the Truth judging and condemning and overturning all those who profess the Truth in words but walk contrary which Questions were propounded to one who is despised of the Despisers for the Truths sake whose name among men is Richard Hubberthorn but are answered by the Spirit of the Lord from the mouth of the Lord as followeth I Have here received a Paper whose name subscribed to it is Robert Lucas in which are many unlearned Queryes proceeding from the subtle minde Serpent-like which minde is full of mischief and dark about Questions and strife of words 2 Tim. 2. 23. being full of darkness and in them are many temptations yet because thou Fool shouldst not be exalted in thy pride and foolery a few things in Answer I have given forth to the uttering forth of thy foolery thou that hast been a Professor so long and art querying what Faith is and whether Faith be attained by hearing the Word preached and whether all men have not Faith and whether it is possible to please God without Faith and thou queryest how Christ is in man and whether any be elected to Salvacion and whether all men be conceived in sin and queryest how it is done away after thou hast shewed forth thy foolishness thy blindness and thy ignorance as not knowing any thing thou hast made a Profession of Christ and here thou shewest thou knowst him not for shame give over thy Profession and lay thy hand upon thy mouth and be silent but to us the uttering forth thy folly is serviceable as it is written Fools are uttering forth their folly and thou hast shewed thy self to be one Prov. 13. 16. 1 Query What Faith is Answ Faith is the Gift of God and that which asks the question is without and shall never know it for thou art a Reprobate concerning it the Faith