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A70985 The reign of the whore discovered and her ruine seen her merchants the priests examined, and with the Romish church (their elder sister) compared and found agreeable in many things ... : some queries also for those people that pay tythes, and priests that receive tythes, to consider and answer : and whereas their cry hath been loud against us the people of God called Quakers, that we are Jesuits, and Jesuitical, in tryal they are found false accusers, and of the same stock and generation themselves ... : also the sustance of a dispute which was the 15th day of the 2d month, called April 1659, at the Bridge-house in Southwark, between VVilliam Cooper, VVilliam VVhitaker, Thomas VVoodsworth, VVieles, Watkins, Cradicut, and others who profess themselves ministers of Christ, and some of the people call'd Quakers ... / written in that which gives to see over all the popish train ... W.S. Smith, William, d. 1673.; Burrough, Edward, 1634-1662. Following letter containing the substance of the dispute. 1659 (1659) Wing S204A; ESTC R33983 31,593 40

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whom you her Merchants have built your Ships and set up your Trade by the Authority of the Beast which rose out of the same place the Whore sate on He that hath Wisdom let him understand I say By the Authority of this Beast who hath seven heads ten horns ten Crowns upon his horns upon his heads the name of Blasphemy unto whom the Dragon gave his power have you and all Parish-Masters and others of the Whores choice Merchants in whole Christendom sate and advanced your Trade above and beyond all the Crafts-mens Trade beside in the whole World And this may appear plain to the view of all people if these few particulars following are considered First You have got a Market-place where none must sell any Wares but your selves though it be never so much better then yours neither must any come into your Market-place to give freely to poor people whose souls are ready to starve for want of the Bread of life notwithstanding they buy of your deceitful Wares Secondly You have had and some of your Brethren still have a compulsive Law to compel and constrain all people within such a compass or quarter to come to your Market-place and buy of you and none other Thirdly Whether those people within such a compass or quarter or parish come to your Market or no or receive any of your Merchandize notwithstanding you will make them pay as much as if they did or else you will take or cause to be taken from them violently it may be three four or five times as much as the price was you first set upon your Commodities Fourthly Though your Merchandize be never so deceitful and insufficient yet none must refuse them neither will you bate of your price and if any come to see the deceitfulness and insufficiency of what you sell at a very deer rate and declare against it that people might not be deceived and defrauded always with deceitful words and devillish Doctrines you wil sue such at the Law for slanderers and get one of the Beasts Horns that hath a Crown upon it to grant you 100. l. damage or some other punishment as whip or prison or banishment or life if ye can get it for the Whore loves blood and so doth her Merchants and children Fifthly Another thing that makes your Trade exceed all the Crafts-mens Trade beside in the whole World is That when poor people have bought your Merchandize and paid you or at least are liable to pay you you take them home again in your Pockets or Bibles or Note-Books and lay them up in your Ware-house to wit your Liberary and as you see occasion and opportunity you carry them to Market again and they wil yeild you as much as they did at the first and yet after you have sold your Imagery Work over and over you can trim it and dress it a little and put the title Doctor of Divinity to it or Batchellor of Divinity or Mr. William or Mr. John such a one Ministers of God's Word at such a Church in such a place and find a Chapman some Bookseller or Printer or other to give you money for it Much like this might be mentioned but this is sufficient to let all people which are not quite blind see wherein this whores Merchants trade exceeds all other Arts Crafts and Trades in the whole world And also the reason may here be seen wherefore these Parish-Masters and others of Mystery Babylons Merchants strives and petition that their trade may be upheld even in this Nation under this notion Propagate or hold up the Gospel when if they would speak as they mean it is thus Propagate hold up or maintain our Mothers Authority by which Authority we have had a good trade a great while and our profits hath been great and our incombs sure and let the Romish Churches our elder Sisters her Institutions Ordinations Customs Manners Practices and Places stand else we shal have no certain Trade for if we lose our Elder Sisters Law which gives us Tythes and that compels people to buy our Gospel we shal be undone peoples hearts are so hard they wil give us little freely though they have been and stil are our Auditors and we have taught them some ten some twenty thirty or forty years yet we are afraid if we lose our elder Sisters Law that those that have been our constant customers would hate us much of our price and those that do not like our Doctrine and Church-discipline and our chargeable Gospel will give us nothing at all is not this the very language of your hearts whose cry is Propagate the Gospel let that which searcheth your hearts and discerns the secret intents thereof the light of Christ in your Consciences answer for the Gospel is Christ the power of God which propagates or holds up all things and 't is ignorance and blasphemy to cry and petition to an arm of flesh to propagate this Gospel but 't is another Gospel that they who have brought it are accursed that wants propagating and this shall all your Merchants of Babylon know in the dreadfull day of the Lord our God when all the blood you have drunk and Tortures and Racks Whips and Prisons Stocks and Inquisitions and other carnal weapons you have used to propagate your Gospel shall rise up in Judgement against you then will ye cry to the Rocks and the Mountains to fall upon you to hide you from the Wrath of the Lamb And now is the wondrfull day at hand wherein the Wolves Bears and Lions shall be afraid and seek to hide themselves from the presence of the Lamb Consider this all ye hirelings that rend and tear and make a prey upon the innocent lambs of Christ for to serve your own bellies and covetous unchristian greedy desires how greatly do you dishonour the name of Christ in calling your selves his Ministers have not you and all your Brethren the Popish Christians in whole Christendome sent an ill savour throughout the Nations and Regions round about you yea and many of those you count heathens shal rise up in judgment against you even against you who have the sheeps cloathing the Prophets words Christs vvords the Apostles words but inwardly ravened from the Spirit of God in your selves and so have appeared devouring wolves and destroyers of the sheeps life scatterers of the flock of God hear the Word of the Lord by the mouth of his Prophet Ezekiel against such as you Wo be to the Shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves should not the shepherds feed the flocks ye eat the fat and ye cloth you with the wool ye kill them that are fed but ye feed not the flock the diseased haue ye not strengthened neither have ye healed that which was sick neither have ye bound up that which was broken neither have ye brought again that which was driven away neither have ye sought that which was lost but with force and with cruelty have ye
your Idolatry in your lightness pride and high-mindedness How many of you have appeared like a Troop of Robbers in taking and causing to be taken away violently poor peoples Ports and Pans and Kettles and dishes from them sometimes not leaving them things necessary to make ready their food in and Bedding and Clothes and Oxen and Cows and Horses and Harness and Barns of Wheat and Cart-loads of Hey and Corn and their bodies also cast into prison Hath not this been your Work in this Nation Hath not the Lord raised a patient and harmless people to try you which have not striven against you in their Wills that you might manifest what was in your hearts notwithstanding your talk of Christianity Have we not seen the murtherer offer a sacrifice and the prophane person weep for the blessing and the children of the Devil call God Father Hath not our eyes seen this And is it not manifest if the Lord God which is the higher Power unto whom our souls are subject did not over-power chain and fetter and break the horns of the Wicked no less then our lives and blood would satisfie for had not you to wit you especially called Presbyterian Priests rather sit as a Popish Synod or Inquisition then in the spirit of meekness lowlinss and soundness in words in life and conversation and Scripture-example prove your selves Ministers of Christ by your fruits effects Was ever the true Ministers of the Gospel in any age or generation since the days of Christ the Son of the living God manifest at Jerusalem maintained as you are maintained by the ruine of others Did they ever take any thing violently from any man Nay did ever they take or receive any thing at all from those that denied their Doctrine and that would not receive nor own them as Ministers of Christ What are you quite without shame Are you so greedy of filthy lucre that you do not care how much you manifest your shame and uncover your nakedness to all people If you keep a Flock eat the Milk the Flock will give you if you plant a Vinyard eat the fruit the Vinyard will yeild you should you covet your Neighbours goods and take them away because you say he is a Heretick Should you rob your Neighbours vinyard because you cannot have fruit enough to satisfie your covetous desires out of that you have planted Should you go reap your Neighbours field because where you have sown there is little come up but briars and thorns If you do thus may not we yea all people count you greedy of filthy lucre covetous persons and robbers Would you have better come up then you sow They that preach the Gospel lives of the Gospel and they never did nor need petition the powers of the Earth to establish a Livelyhood upon them but you smell much of Popery in this thing and you have no example in the holy Scriptures to justifie you but the Romish black Train is your example and therefore we deny you and cannot but count of you as you are and in so doing we wrong you not But have not you wrong'd us and falsly accused us and charged us to be like or one with those whose example you are found in and whose steps you follow to wit false Prophets false Teachers Popish Priests and Jesuits You shall bear your own Judgement Sixthly Concerning your Doctrine Practices Places and manner of Worship Are you not found and do we nor find you in the popish Doctrine and Jesuitical practices and popish Mass-Houses and in the manner of their Worship in some things and in some other things of later invention which the Scriptures doth not own nor justifie neither did the Ministers of Christ allow of If so may vve not count you such as do not deny the popish vvayes places and manners but lives in them and by them Is it not a popish Doctrine and practice to oppose the light within wherewith Christ hath enlightened every man that is come into the World and to teach some other way to attain the knowledge of God besides the light which shines in the heart notwithstanding the Scripture testifies that the light which shines in the heart must give man the knowledge of God in the face of Jesus Christ And is it not the papists doctrine and practice to deny Revelation and Inspiration and the immediate power of God present now as of old and is not this your Doctrine and practice also Doth not the Scripture say or is it not written That there is none that knows the Father but the Son and he to whom the Son reveals him So do not the papists herein and you with them deny that the knowledge of God is attainable seeing you deny the way wherein the manner how the thing by which he is known seen and revealed to wit the light within and if God be not known onely and alone by the revelation of Christ and you and the papists deny revelation and say it is ceased then by what means do you expect to attain the knowledge of God which is life eternal And how do you that deny Inspiration and immediate power from God believe the Scriptures wherein is promised many glorious things to be enjoyed by the children of the Lord as the pouring forth of his spirit upon his sons daughters and how do you own the New Covenant the fear in the heart and the Spirit of the Lord in the inward parts and you that deny the immediate voice power and presence of the Lord as of old how do you believe Christs words who said to his Disciples Lo I will be with you to the end of the world and is not the presence of Christ the immediate power of God and where two or three are gathered together in his Name is he not in the midst and is not he and his Father one whose abode is with his people But is not this too wonderful for Hirelings without a meaning And why do you talk of the Scriptures for your Rule Is it not for ends to yourselves Doth the Scriptures your pretended Rule justifie you any more then they justifie the Pope Cardinals Bishops Jesuits Fryers Monks and popish priests VVhy do you talk of three persons or Trinity Hath not the Pope learnt you that also Doth the Scripture speake anywhere of three persons And where had you that word Sacrament and the word merit Had you not these from the papists And concerning your places wherein you commonly perform your publike VVorship who founded and named them for you Did not the papists as St. Mary Magdalens Church St. Thomas his Church St. Stephen's Church St. Peter's Church St. Paul's Church Did not the very same spirit that was cast out of Mary Magdalen and that stoned Stephen and that murthered Peter and Paul build and give Names to those Steeple-houses which you have suffered if not taught the people to call Churches and the Houses of God insomuch