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A62542 The nullity of the prelatique clergy, and Church of England further discovered in answer to the plaine prevarication, or vaine presumption of D. John Bramhall in his booke, intituled, The consecration and succession of Protestant bishops justified, &c. : and that most true story of the first Protestant bishops ordination at the Nagshead verified their fabulous consecration at Lambeth vvith the forgery of Masons records cleerely detected / by N.N. Talbot, Peter, 1620-1680. 1659 (1659) Wing T117; ESTC R38284 70,711 150

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You talke much of your key of order which vvas no other then the key of a celler elevated by the Queens scepter and spiritual authority to be efficient of your first Bishops consecration in a Taverne which you most ungratefully Pag. 60. 121. 171. 148. and vnwarily reject when contrary to the statutes you affirme that neyther she nor the lavves of England can make an ordination to be valid or invalid because they can not change the institution of Christ who determined for the essential matter of ordination imposition of hands This is very true but no protestant doctrine in those times as being contrary to the 25. article of your english Creed which teacheth that Christ never apointed any visible signe for Orders and consequently it is no Sacrament Therfore if imposition of hands be a visible signe it can not be according to the symbol of the English Church the essential matter of ordination by Christs institution If you had vttered in your primitive Church the Doctrine which now you print you had not only fallen into a Premunire but also incurred the penalties of an Heretique for being so obstinat against your new Creed and the articles set downe by your first Apostles 7. It is not to be wondered that a man so ignorant of his Creed should knowe so litle of the law as you do Read I pray these vvords of the statute 8. Eliz. 1. referring to an other made the first yeare of her reigne And by the same Act and statute there is also given to the Q. Highnesse her heirs c. full povver and authority by letters patents vnder the great seale of England from time to time to assigne name and authorise such person or persons as she or they shal thinke meete and convenient to exercise use occupie and execute vnder her Highnesse all manner of jurisdictions privileges preheminences and auihorities in any vvise toucking or concerning any spiritual or Ecclesiastical povver or jurisdiction vvithin this Realme or any other her H. Dominions or Countries I beseech you M. Doctor answer now directly and without tergiversation might not the Queene by her letters patents without any other ceremony name and authorize according to this Act of Parliament any Carrier Carter or Catchpol to exercise vse occupie and execute all manner of jurisdictions preheminencies and authorities in any vvise touching or concerning any spiritual or ecclesiasticall povver What is episcopacy or priesthood but a spiritual and ecclesiastical power And what is ordination or consecration but to exercise vse or execute this spiritual povver by conferring it vpon others Therfore according to the statuts of England the Queene and her heires and successors may make Priests and Bishops vvithout imposition of hands or any other matter or forme but their letters patents vnder the greate seale of England Which though it be cleere enough by the very words of the statute to any one that vnderstands English yet it is made most vndeniably evident by the Protestant Tenet of those dayes requiring no more for Order then Election of Prince or people which Tenet appeares in their writings in their translations of Scripture and in their Creed so that the Prince in England having assumed full power in point of Election could accordingly dispose and dispense at will in any thing belonging to Order And when any ceremony of consecration was vsed they cared not what it was so it might serve to amuse the vulgar not yet invred to the new Doctrine of Priests and Bishops not consecrated 8. This vvas the power assumed let vs now see their practise vsed Kellison survey pag. 373. 374. edit 1603. They vvere enforced sayth D Kellison to make superintendents and ministers of our apostating Priests such as Parker Grindal Sands Horne c. vvho vvere thought paste sit to make such Ministers on vvithout any other moulding or knedding And vvhen they vvanted Apostatas vvho vvere consecrated afther the Catholique manner they tooke laymen of their ovvne of vvhich some vvere base artificers and vvithout any other consecration or ordination then the Princes or the Superintendents letters vvho themselves vvere no Bishops they made them Ministers and Bitshops vvith as fevv ceremonies and lesse solemnity then they make their Aldermen yea Constables and Cryers of the Market Pag. 149. And from this stock proceedeth all the rable of their Ministers c. D. Stapleton whom you call one of the most rational heads our Church had since the separation gives you this Catalogue of your first protestant Clergy Counterblast lib. 4. num 481. printed an 1567. And vvherin I pray you resteth a great part of your nevv Clergy but in butchers cookes catchpols and coblers diers and dawbers fellons cayrring their marke in their hand instead of a shaven crowne fishermen gunners harpers inkeepers merchants and mariners netmakers potters potycaries and porters of Belingsgate pinners pedlers ruffling ruffins sadlers sheermen and sheaperds tanners tilers tinkers trumpeters weavers wherymen c. If D. Stapleton was so rational a head as you are pleased to acknowledge you hav● but litle reason to brag of the first heads an● members of your schisme or separation an● much lesse to be angry vvith my lord Brookes for applying his Coachman to the office of a protestant Preacher Bram Pag. 12. who by his trade not to speake of his talent might challenge an eminen● place amongst your first Ministers and without disgracing your Church might head thi● rable that D. Stapleton hath so particularly described But speake to the purpose M. Doctor Doe you persuade your selfe that all these fellows were ordained by impofition o● episcopal hands and with all that formality you bring out of your Pontifical no truly they were only ordained by letters patents or so me paper of your first Bishopss who practise● the same stile with their Ministers that th● Queene did with themselves and if sometimes vvith ceremony it vvas onely for ceremony not necessity and consequently with no more formality then might suffise to blind the ignorant And truly when I consider the Queens supreme and spiritual authority confirmed by the statuts 1. 8. Eliz. I do not wonder at this practise of your primitive Church in ordaining any Post or Carrier they met in the high way and that legally without any imposition of hands or Ceremony The statute doth warrant it by these words 8. Eliz. 1. And further for th● avoyding of all ambiguities and questions tha● might bee objected against the lawfull confirmations ●nvesting and consecrations of the said Archbishops and Bishops that is Parker and his fel●ows her highnes in her letters patents under the great seale of England directed to any Archbis●op Bishops or others marke the word others which comprehendeth laymen or simple Priests for the confirming investing and consecrating of any person elected to the office or digni●y of any Archbishop or Bishop hath not only used such words and sentences as were acustomed to be ●sed