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A91654 A reply of two of the brethren to A.S. wherein you have observations on his considerations, annotations, &c. Upon the apologeticall narration. With a plea for libertie of conscience for the apologists church way; against the cavils of the said A. S. formerly called M. S. to A. S. Humbly submitted to the judgements of all rationall, and moderate men in the world. With a short survey of W. R. his Grave confutation of the separation, and some modest, and innocent touches on the letter from Zeland, and Mr. Parker's from New-England. Parker, Thomas, 1595-1677.; Steuart, Adam. 1644 (1644) Wing R1048B; Thomason E54_18; ESTC R2612 108,370 124

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the_o church_n upon_o any_o man_n nor_o do_v i_o make_v much_o question_n but_o that_o we_o shall_v have_v twenty_o distinction_n more_o before_o we_o shall_v obtain_v that_o definition_n but_o of_o all_o the_o three_o distinction_n here_o upon_o the_o stage_n 14._o sect._n 14._o the_o best_a dancer_n be_v yet_o behind_o this_o power_n or_o authority_n say_v he_o belong_v actual_o and_o in_o effect_n in_o actu_fw-la exercito_fw-la &_o jure_v in_o re_fw-la it_o be_v very_o long_a i_o think_v ere_o we_o hear_v to_o who_o it_o belong_v to_o true_a christian_a magistrate_n but_o to_o other_o potential_o in_o actu_fw-la signato_fw-la &_o jure_v in_o rem_fw-la only_o until_o they_o become_v true_o christian_n 1._o though_o i_o have_v many_o time_n hear_v of_o the_o distinction_n in_o actu_fw-la exercito_fw-la &_o in_o actu_fw-la signato_fw-la yet_o i_o never_o hear_v of_o any_o thing_n belong_v to_o a_o person_n in_o actu_fw-la exercito_fw-la but_o that_o belong_v to_o he_o and_o that_o 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of_o christ_n within_o his_o jurisdiction_n or_o dominion_n as_o he_o can_v have_v if_o he_o be_v true_o christian_n do_v act_n of_o justice_n bounty_n grace_n towards_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n any_o whit_n more_o defile_v a_o magistrate_n how_o far_o from_o true_o christian_n soever_o then_o act_v of_o the_o same_o nature_n perform_v unto_o his_o other_o subject_n the_o king_n and_o those_o that_o be_v in_o authority_n in_o paul_n day_n be_v general_o all_o the_o king_n without_o exception_n far_o from_o be_v true_o christian_n and_o yet_o be_v it_o not_o lawful_a for_o they_o to_o interpose_v with_o their_o authority_n or_o power_n that_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n in_o their_o dominion_n may_v lead_v a_o quiet_a and_o peaceable_a life_n in_o all_o godliness_n and_o honesty_n if_o not_o then_o be_v that_o exhortation_n of_o he_o 1_o tim._n 2.2_o to_o be_v lay_v up_o in_o lavender_n for_o some_o hundred_o of_o year_n after_o it_o be_v give_v or_o else_o the_o benefit_n and_o 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conceive_v to_o look_v like_o a_o proof_n of_o this_o his_o opinion_n and_o can_v find_v none_o save_v only_o that_o poor_a one_o of_o the_o example_n of_o the_o king_n of_o juda_n pag._n 63_o inforce_v after_o this_o manner_n it_o be_v the_o civil_a magistrate_n part_v to_o take_v away_o heresy_n superstition_n and_o corruption_n in_o manner_n after_o the_o example_n of_o the_o king_n of_o juda._n wherefore_o then_o be_v it_o not_o his_o duty_n likewise_o to_o take_v away_o all_o schism_n which_o be_v the_o high_a way_n to_o and_o sometime_o from_o heresy_n and_o consequent_o to_o deny_v toleration_n which_o be_v a_o way_n to_o both_o reader_n neither_o you_o nor_o i_o must_v be_v offend_v to_o have_v a_o molehill_n of_o proof_n give_v we_o for_o a_o mountain_n of_o conclusion_n you_o must_v know_v it_o be_v the_o manner_n of_o the_o presbyterian_a school_n to_o hang_v great_a weight_n upon_o small_a wyar_n for_o what_o need_v dictator_n argue_n but_o 1._o if_o it_o be_v the_o magistrate_n part_v to_o take_v away_o superstition_n 17._o sect._n 17._o heresy_n etc._n etc._n sure_a it_o be_v his_o part_n also_o to_o make_v himself_o able_a to_o discern_v superstition_n and_o heresy_n from_o the_o true_a worship_n and_o truth_n of_o god_n he_o be_v to_o serve_v god_n in_o such_o a_o practice_n with_o his_o own_o understanding_n and_o not_o by_o the_o proctorage_n of_o presbytery_n as_o you_o tell_v the_o apologist_n pag._n 48._o that_o they_o must_v not_o serve_v god_n by_o a_o proctor_n and_o if_o so_o you_o must_v untruss_v and_o deliver_v back_o again_o to_o he_o that_o directive_n power_n in_o matter_n of_o religion_n which_o you_o late_o take_v from_o he_o 2._o when_o the_o magistrate_n take_v away_o superstition_n heresy_n 18._o sect._n 18._o etc._n etc._n he_o have_v need_n have_v better_a security_n than_o a_o synod_n can_v give_v he_o to_o save_v he_o harmless_a in_o case_n he_o shall_v mistake_v and_o smite_v the_o truth_n of_o god_n in_o stead_n of_o 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corruption_n in_o manner_n as_o a_o church_n or_o kingdom_n be_v ligh_o incident_a unto_o 3._o because_o the_o example_n of_o the_o king_n of_o judah_n for_o want_n of_o better_a argument_n 19_o sect._n 19_o be_v so_o much_o importune_v to_o speak_v a_o good_a word_n for_o that_o executive_a coercive_a power_n in_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n with_o which_o a._n s._n will_v truk_v with_o he_o for_o that_o directive_n power_n before_o speak_v of_o let_v we_o consider_v with_o a_o little_a more_o freedom_n and_o ingenuity_n what_o they_o contribute_v thereunto_o 1._o we_o do_v not_o read_v that_o any_o of_o the_o good_a king_n of_o judah_n ever_o offer_v any_o violence_n to_o the_o true_a prophet_n or_o people_n of_o the_o lord_n except_o it_o be_v in_o passion_n as_o 2_o chron._n 16.10_o where_o asa_n be_v say_v to_o have_v be_v wroth_a with_o the_o seer_n that_o admonish_v he_o and_o to_o have_v put_v he_o in_o prison_n which_o fact_n of_o his_o i_o think_v a._n s._n himself_o will_v 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with_o some_o violation_n of_o the_o second_o commandment_n as_o when_o they_o sacrifice_v in_o the_o high_a place_n etc._n etc._n but_o first_o upon_o such_o only_a who_o apostatise_v from_o the_o god_n of_o israel_n to_o serve_v strange_a god_n the_o god_n of_o other_o nation_n and_o yet_o second_o not_o upon_o such_o neither_o simple_o as_o such_o but_o as_o attempt_v to_o entice_v and_o draw_v away_o other_o of_o the_o people_n of_o god_n unto_o the_o same_o idolatry_n with_o they_o deut._n 13.5_o 8_o 9_o 5._o there_o be_v two_o reason_n very_o considerable_a 22._o sect._n 22._o why_o the_o king_n of_o judah_n may_v be_v invest_v by_o god_n with_o a_o large_a power_n in_o matter_n of_o religion_n than_o king_n or_o magistrate_n under_o the_o gospel_n have_v any_o ground_n or_o warrant_v to_o claim_v from_o they_o first_o they_o be_v type_n of_o christ_n which_o no_o king_n under_o heaven_n at_o this_o day_n be_v second_o not_o the_o people_n only_o but_o the_o very_a land_n over_o 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all_o religion_n as_o they_o call_v they_o all_o way_n sect_n opinion_n and_o practice_n in_o religion_n whole_o silence_v suppress_v and_o abolish_v where_o they_o live_v except_v only_o that_o one_o way_n and_o practice_n which_o shall_v be_v authorise_v and_o practise_v by_o the_o state_n because_o by_o this_o mean_n they_o hope_v they_o shall_v not_o be_v distract_v about_o their_o religion_n nor_o be_v put_v upon_o that_o sore_a trouble_n of_o seek_v it_o they_o know_v not_o where_o or_o among_o who_o but_o shall_v have_v it_o put_v into_o their_o mouth_n by_o the_o hand_n of_o authority_n which_o they_o hope_v likewise_o will_v stand_v between_o they_o and_o harm_n in_o case_n it_o shall_v not_o prove_v a_o religion_n of_o that_o purity_n and_o goodness_n which_o god_n require_v 10._o and_o last_o that_o power_n which_o in_o the_o use_n of_o it_o 37._o sect._n 37._o direct_o tend_v to_o defile_v and_o pollute_v the_o conscience_n of_o man_n either_o by_o destroy_v the_o 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