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a_o church_n so_o constitute_v and_o sound_n and_o orthodox_n as_o be_v before_o express_v and_o of_o sentence_n such_o as_o we_o have_v qualify_v for_o the_o matter_n of_o they_o and_o we_o do_v hold_v that_o they_o ought_v to_o be_v submit_v unto_o and_o suffer_v under_o without_o counteracting_a and_o that_o the_o former_a consideration_n press_v submission_n in_o general_a do_v take_v place_n even_o in_o this_o case_n this_o we_o may_v easy_o confirm_v from_o the_o general_a practice_n of_o the_o godly_a in_o all_o age_n and_o particular_o of_o the_o nonconformist_n who_o as_o they_o put_v a_o vast_a difference_n between_o subjection_n and_o obedience_n so_o in_o their_o practice_n they_o do_v cheerful_o suffer_v under_o unjust_a sentence_n and_o do_v vindicate_v the_o aspersion_n cast_v upon_o their_o nonobedience_n by_o their_o readiness_n to_o submit_v and_o suffer_v who_o so_o will_v be_v please_v to_o peruse_v parker_n on_o the_o cross_n chap._n 4._o sect._n 12_o 14_o 15._o will_v find_v they_o be_v so_o far_o from_o own_v non-submission_n to_o these_o unjust_a sentence_n of_o bishop_n for_o their_o nonconformity_n that_o they_o do_v own_o submission_n and_o vindicate_v their_o practice_n in_o submit_v from_o the_o aspersion_n cast_v upon_o they_o for_o it_o and_o do_v encourage_v themselves_o and_o the_o church_n by_o believe_v that_o the_o loss_n of_o their_o ministry_n shall_v be_v the_o lord_n gain_v and_o the_o church_n it_o be_v the_o positive_a judgement_n of_o beza_n as_o we_o hear_v before_o from_o his_o epist_n 12._o that_o godly_a man_n in_o england_n shall_v not_o continue_v to_o preach_v against_o the_o queen_n and_o bishop_n will_v where_o he_o add_v that_o have_v in_o these_o case_n attest_v their_o own_o innocence_n and_o assay_v all_o remedy_n in_o the_o fear_n of_o the_o lord_n they_o shall_v yield_v to_o manifest_a violence_n the_o provincial_n assembly_n of_o south-holland_n meet_v at_o delft_n go_v a_o further_a length_n against_o 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