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key_n be_v give_v to_o the_o church_n of_o believer_n the_o way_n pag._n 1._o that_o be_v a_o combination_n of_o faithful_a man_n as_o mr._n hooker_n 2._o the_o key_n of_o knowledge_n belong_v to_o all_o the_o faithful_a whether_o join_v to_o any_o particular_a church_n or_o no_o the_o key_n pag._n 11._o 2_o the_o key_n of_o knowledge_n be_v give_v not_o only_o to_o the_o church_n but_o to_o some_o before_o they_o enter_v into_o the_o church_n keyes_n pag._n 2._o ans._n this_o term_n the_o key_n of_o knowledge_n be_v take_v from_o our_o saviour_n word_n in_o luk._n 11._o 52._o where_o he_o reprove_v the_o lawyer_n who_o have_v take_v away_o the_o key_n of_o knowledge_n and_o neither_o enter_v in_o themselves_o nor_o suffer_v other_o to_o enter_v the_o word_n argue_v that_o the_o enter_n in_o be_v not_o into_o the_o visible_a church_n for_o into_o that_o the_o lawyer_n have_v enter_v and_o be_v willing_a to_o admit_v other_o he_o speak_v therefore_o of_o enter_v into_o the_o state_n 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contradiction_n the_o six_o contradiction_n be_v thus_o present_v 6._o examination_n be_v one_o of_o the_o high_a act_n of_o rule_n and_o therefore_o can_v be_v perform_v but_o by_o some_o ruler_n key_n pag._n 16._o the_o church_n can_v excommunicate_v the_o whole_a presbytery_n because_o they_o have_v not_o receive_v from_o christ_n a_o office_n of_o rule_n without_o their_o officer_n ibid._n no_o act_n of_o the_o people_n power_n do_v proper_o bind_v unless_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o presbytery_n join_v with_o it_o ibid._n pag._n 36._o 6._o if_o all_o their_o officer_n be_v find_v culpable_a either_o in_o heretical_a doctrine_n or_o in_o scandalous_a crime_n the_o church_n have_v lawful_a authority_n to_o proceed_v against_o they_o all_o the_o way_n pag._n 45._o in_o case_n of_o offence_n give_v by_o a_o elder_n or_o the_o whole_a eldership_n together_o the_o church_n have_v authority_n to_o require_v satisfaction_n and_o if_o they_o give_v it_o not_o to_o proceed_v to_o censure_v ibid._n page_n 101._o 6._o excommunication_n be_v not_o a_o act_n of_o the_o power_n of_o office_n but_o of_o judgement_n nor_o a_o act_n of_o high_a rule_n but_o of_o supreme_a judgement_n seat_v in_o the_o fraternity_n surv._n part_n 3._o pag._n 45._o as_o a_o church_n of_o brethren_n can_v not_o proceed_v to_o any_o public_a censure_n without_o the_o elder_n so_o nor_o the_o elder_n without_o concurrence_n of_o the_o people_n preface_n to_o the_o key_n pag._n 4._o answer_n 1._o here_o be_v indeed_o a_o discrepance_n in_o expression_n between_o the_o way_n and_o the_o key_n but_o it_o be_v not_o my_o act_n that_o any_o such_o discrepance_n shall_v have_v be_v extant_a the_o truth_n be_v that_o many_o year_n ago_o and_o some_o year_n before_o the_o suppress_n of_o the_o bishop_n in_o england_n i_o be_v serious_o move_v by_o some_o of_o our_o brethren_n and_o fellow_n elder_n here_o to_o draw_v up_o a_o historical_a narration_n of_o our_o churchway_n together_o with_o some_o 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that_o one_o main_a point_n of_o dissatisfaction_n be_v the_o authority_n give_v to_o the_o fraternity_n i_o consider_v more_o serious_o and_o distinct_o of_o the_o whole_a power_n of_o the_o key_n and_o express_v my_o apprehension_n in_o that_o treatise_n of_o the_o key_n which_o our_o brethren_n here_o do_v well_o accept_v and_o so_o do_v the_o brethren_n of_o like_a judgement_n in_o england_n and_o some_o of_o they_o be_v please_v to_o attest_v it_o with_o the_o preface_n which_o be_v now_o extant_a before_o it_o yea_o i_o have_v hear_v as_o well_o as_o some_o other_o of_o our_o brethren_n here_o by_o some_o letter_n from_o england_n that_o reverend_a mr_n rutherford_n who_o be_v a_o great_a part_n of_o the_o assembly_n at_o westminster_n offer_v to_o the_o dissent_a brethren_n that_o if_o they_o will_v come_v up_o to_o the_o treatise_n of_o the_o key_n themselves_o will_v meet_v they_o there_o but_o this_o be_v sundry_a year_n after_o the_o treatise_n of_o the_o way_n have_v be_v finish_v and_o carry_v to_o england_n and_o as_o i_o hope_v suppress_v but_o it_o seem_v some_o brother_n there_o have_v get_v a_o copy_n of_o it_o be_v zealous_a of_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o fraternity_n and_o perceive_v that_o their_o authority_n be_v not_o so_o full_o acknowledge_v in_o the_o key_n as_o in_o the_o way_n he_o cause_v his_o copy_n of_o the_o way_n which_o be_v indeed_o abrupt_a in_o the_o entrance_n and_o imperfect_a otherwise_o to_o be_v publish_v in_o print_n which_o when_o i_o see_v it_o trouble_v i_o not_o a_o little_a as_o know_v that_o the_o discrepant_a expression_n in_o the_o one_o and_o in_o the_o other_o may_v trouble_v friend_n and_o give_v advantage_n to_o adversary_n afterwards_o mr_n hooker_n come_v down_o from_o connectiquol_fw-it to_o consult_v with_o the_o elder_n here_o about_o his_o book_n he_o plead_v serious_o for_o the_o place_n of_o all_o church_n power_n primitive_o in_o the_o body_n of_o the_o church_n and_o also_o for_o their_o judiciary_n power_n of_o censure_n over_o the_o presbytery_n suitable_a to_o what_o i_o have_v deliver_v in_o the_o way_n now_o though_o i_o can_v say_v that_o his_o reason_n do_v prevail_v with_o i_o to_o lter_v the_o place_n of_o the_o first_o subject_n of_o the_o power_n of_o the_o key_n from_o what_o i_o have_v deliver_v in_o the_o treatise_n of_o the_o key_n yet_o perceive_v that_o some_o man_n judgement_n do_v more_o adhere_v as_o to_o his_o judgement_n so_o to_o the_o former_a course_n of_o the_o way_n other_o to_o that_o of_o the_o key_n i_o suffer_v both_o to_o stand_v as_o they_o do_v especial_o see_v i_o can_v not_o help_v it_o the_o book_n of_o the_o way_n be_v publish_v without_o my_o consent_n and_o both_o the_o way_n and_o the_o key_n be_v disperse_v into_o many_o hand_n past_o my_o revoke_v and_o refute_v by_o some_o so_o that_o if_o the_o replyer_n find_v some_o discrepancy_n in_o one_o of_o these_o book_n from_o the_o other_o let_v he_o know_v that_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o way_n in_o such_o few_o point_n wherein_o it_o differ_v from_o the_o key_n be_v not_o then_o mine_n when_o the_o key_n be_v publish_v much_o less_o when_o the_o way_n be_v publish_v which_o be_v many_o year_n after_o though_o it_o have_v be_v pen_v many_o year_n before_o and_o yet_o take_v all_o the_o discrepancye_n and_o weigh_v they_o i_o will_v not_o say_v with_o candour_n but_o with_o rigour_n and_o i_o do_v not_o yet_o remember_v nor_o can_v i_o yet_o find_v any_o of_o they_o but_o they_o lie_v rather_o in_o difference_n of_o logical_a notion_n then_o in_o doctrine_n of_o divinity_n or_o church_n practice_n as_o i_o say_v before_o answer_n 2._o this_o further_a let_v i_o acquaint_v both_o the_o replier_n and_o the_o reader_n withal_o that_o sometime_o there_o have_v grow_v a_o question_n among_o we_o whether_o all_o excommunication_n be_v a_o act_n of_o officiaria_fw-la potestas_fw-la or_o not_o some_o honoraria_fw-la only_o if_o of_o officiaria_n it_o can_v be_v dispense_v by_o the_o brethren_n only_o as_o the_o first_o column_n have_v it_o if_o of_o honoraria_fw-la it_o may_v and_o so_o the_o second_o column_n have_v it_o and_o then_o the_o contradiction_n be_v not_o ejusdem_fw-la neither_o be_v this_o censure_n dispense_v by_o the_o brethren_n as_o i_o conceive_v one_o of_o the_o high_a act_n of_o rule_n which_o be_v to_o deliver_v unto_o satan_n 1_o cor._n 5._o 5._o but_o reach_v only_o to_o cast_v their_o elder_n out_o of_o administration_n of_o office_n to_o they_o and_o out_o of_o church_n communion_n with_o they_o the_o truth_n be_v ego_fw-la libenter_fw-la in_fw-la eorum_fw-la me_fw-la numero_fw-la esse_fw-la profiteor_fw-la qui_fw-la proficiendo_fw-la scribunt_fw-la and_o scribendo_fw-la proficiunt_fw-la which_o give_v i_o occasion_n to_o add_v the_o three_o answer_n give_v above_o to_o the_o first_o contradiction_n some_o thing_n in_o the_o
way_n which_o i_o deliver_v more_o lax_o i_o express_v more_o distinct_o in_o the_o treatise_n of_o the_o key_n which_o follow_v after_o and_o some_o thing_n more_o full_o and_o clear_o in_o the_o way_n clear_v then_o in_o either_o of_o the_o former_a answer_n 3._o when_o i_o say_v no_o act_n of_o the_o people_n part_n do_v proper_o bind_v unless_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o elder_a join_v with_o it_o key_n pag._n 36._o i_o will_v be_v understand_v to_o speak_v it_o as_o i_o mean_v it_o of_o the_o elder_n walk_v without_o offence_n in_o the_o right_a administration_n of_o their_o office_n and_o conversation_n of_o their_o life_n answer_n 4._o when_o mr_n hooker_n say_v excommunication_n be_v not_o a_o act_n of_o office_n power_n nor_o of_o rule_n but_o of_o supreme_a judgement_n seat_v in_o the_o fraternity_n i_o easy_o grant_v that_o the_o excommunication_n dispense_v by_o the_o fraternity_n be_v not_o a_o act_n of_o office-power_n but_o it_o may_v just_o be_v inquire_v whether_o excommunication_n be_v dispense_v by_o the_o elder_n with_o the_o consent_n of_o the_o church_n be_v not_o a_o act_n as_o of_o the_o church_n honourable_a judicial_a power_n so_o of_o the_o elder_n office-power_n and_o rule_n in_o the_o church_n for_o as_o the_o pastoral_n preach_v of_o the_o elder_n be_v official_a and_o so_o authoritative_a though_o the_o preach_n of_o other_o brethren_n as_o of_o the_o son_n of_o the_o prophet_n be_v not_o so_o so_o why_o may_v there_o not_o be_v the_o like_a difference_n observe_v here_o to_o deliver_v unto_o satan_n seem_v to_o be_v a_o act_n of_o judicial_a office-power_n as_o when_o in_o another_o case_n it_o be_v say_v the_o judge_n deliver_v a_o man_n to_o the_o officer_n and_o the_o officer_n cast_v he_o into_o prison_n matth._n 5._o 25._o he_o that_o cast_v into_o prison_n be_v a_o inferior_a officer_n the_o judge_n must_v therefore_o be_v a_o superior_a officer_n that_o deliver_v a_o offendor_n to_o the_o officer_n to_o be_v cast_v into_o prison_n in_o the_o excommunication_n of_o the_o incestuous_a corinthian_a where_o both_o the_o elder_n and_o brethren_n concur_v the_o sentence_n may_v well_o be_v deliver_v in_o term_n that_o express_v a_o act_n of_o high_a authority_n to_o deliver_v unto_o satan_n but_o where_o the_o church_n be_v call_v to_o act_v against_o their_o elder_n who_o corrupt_v they_o with_o false_a doctrine_n there_o the_o apostle_n require_v the_o church_n to_o mark_v they_o and_o avoid_v they_o rom._n 16._o 17_o 18._o which_o may_v express_v a_o act_n of_o liberty_n and_o judicial_a power_n but_o not_o of_o authority_n chap._n 4._o touch_v the_o seven_o contradiction_n and_o eight_o the_o seven_o contradiction_n be_v thus_o gather_v 7._o it_o be_v a_o sacrilegious_a breach_n of_o order_n that_o commissary_n and_o chancellor_n want_v the_o key_n of_o order_n no_o minister_n have_v be_v invest_v with_o jurisdiction_n yea_o and_o more_o than_o ministerial_a authority_n above_o those_o elder_n who_o labour_v in_o word_n and_o doctrine_n the_o key_n pag._n 16._o 7._o there_o be_v a_o key_n of_o power_n give_v to_o the_o church_n with_o the_o elder_n as_o to_o open_v a_o door_n of_o entrance_n to_o the_o minister_n call_v so_o to_o shut_v the_o door_n of_o entrance_n against_o they_o in_o some_o case_n etc._n etc._n the_o key_n p._n 9_o yea_o to_o censure_n all_o their_o elder_n without_o elder_n the_o way_n p._n 45._o as_o before_o ans._n the_o power_n give_v to_o the_o commissary_n chancellor_n and_o i_o just_o call_v a_o sacrlegious_a breach_n of_o order_n in_o more_o respect_n than_o one_o 1._o in_o that_o be_v no_o minister_n they_o exercise_v more_o than_o ministerial_a authority_n over_o the_o elder_n for_o minister_n do_v not_o exercise_v authority_n over_o elder_n no_o nor_o over_o any_o brother_n but_o with_o consent_n of_o the_o church_n but_o these_o do_v it_o without_o and_o against_o the_o consent_n of_o the_o church_n 2._o in_o that_o they_o exercise_v this_o 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thus_o 8._o we_o be_v so_o far_o from_o allow_v that_o sacrilegious_a usurpation_n of_o the_o minister_n office_n that_o private_a christian_n ordinary_o take_v upon_o they_o to_o preach_v the_o gospel_n public_o the_o key_n pag_n 6._o 8._o this_o be_v ordinary_o practise_v in_o england_n and_o allow_v by_o the_o independent_a brethren_n yea_o they_o be_v but_o in_o the_o notion_n of_o gift_a brethren_n no_o minister_n to_o other_o congregation_n do_v it_o ordinary_o themselves_o ans._n 1._o this_o contradiction_n be_v not_o of_o i_o to_o my_o self_n but_o of_o some_o other_o who_o whether_o they_o be_v independent_n true_o so_o call_v i_o do_v not_o know_v sure_o i_o be_o that_o presbyterian_n and_o independent_n be_v not_o membra_fw-la dividentia_fw-la though_o i_o see_v that_o all_o that_o be_v not_o for_o popery_n or_o episcopacy_n or_o presbytery_n do_v common_o lurk_v under_o the_o style_n of_o independency_n i_o hope_v the_o replyer_n will_v be_v loath_a to_o renounce_v the_o 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p._n 45._o 14._o in_o act._n 13._o 2_o 3._o there_o be_v no_o ordination_n to_o office_n at_o all_o for_o the_o apostle_n have_v their_o office_n before_o mr._n hooker_n surv._n part._n 2._o p._n 83._o this_o be_v not_o to_o put_v a_o new_a office_n upon_o they_o but_o to_o confirm_v their_o send_n to_o the_o gentile_n ib._n p._n 60._o 14._o this_o be_v do_v in_o a_o particular_a church_n key_n p._n 29._o the_o officer_n of_o one_o church_n do_v what_o be_v do_v in_o a_o ordinary_a way_n surv._n parr_n 2._o p._n 83._o then_o it_o follow_v by_o mr._n c._n his_o doctrine_n that_o the_o apostle_n who_o be_v officer_n in_o all_o church_n be_v ordain_v in_o a_o particular_a church_n or_o that_o officer_n of_o a_o church_n may_v be_v ordain_v in_o another_o church_n which_o he_o say_v be_v unwarrantable_a ans._n 1._o when_o i_o say_v in_o the_o way_n that_o paul_n and_o barnabas_n be_v ordain_v to_o the_o apostolic_a office_n by_o imposition_n of_o hand_n of_o some_o officer_n of_o the_o 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worship_n and_o government_n partly_o by_o civil_a punishment_n upon_o the_o wilful_a oppressor_n and_o disturber_n of_o the_o same_o key_n p._n 50._o 16._o yet_o the_o brethren_n here_o call_v for_o or_o tolerate_v toleration_n of_o all_o opinion_n and_o deny_v the_o magistrate_n power_n to_o punish_v any_o pretend_v conscience_n bartlet_n model_n pag._n 128._o 16._o see_v mr._n bartlet_n model_n p._n 25._o contrà _fw-la ans._n 1._o this_o contradiction_n labour_v of_o the_o same_o disease_n as_o the_o rest_n general_o do_v it_o speak_v not_o ad_fw-la idem_fw-la such_o as_o require_v the_o magistrate_n to_o establish_v pure_a religion_n in_o doctrine_n worship_n and_o government_n and_o to_o restrain_v the_o wilful_a opposer_n and_o disturber_n thereof_o by_o civil_a punishment_n they_o speak_v of_o fundamental_n in_o religion_n and_o such_o opinion_n as_o apparent_o tend_v to_o libertinism_n and_o licentious_a ungodliness_n as_o mr_n bartlet_n express_v it_o model_n pag._n 126._o 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