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A20714 Duplyes of the ministers & professors of Aberdene to second answeres of some reverend brethren, concerning the late covenant. Forbes, John, 1593-1648. 1638 (1638) STC 71; ESTC S100398 79,306 136

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be_v less_o obligatorie_n must_v needs_o give_v place_n to_o the_o other_o which_o be_v of_o great_a obligation_n you_o common_o say_v that_o the_o precept_n of_o obedience_n to_o humane_a authority_n must_v give_v place_n to_o the_o precept_n of_o eschew_v scandal_n although_o it_o be_v causeleslie_o take_v and_o to_o confirm_v your_o assertion_n you_o say_v that_o the_o ordinance_n of_o a_o superior_a can_v not_o make_v that_o fact_n to_o be_v free_a of_o scandal_n which_o otherway_n will_v be_v scandalous_a and_o that_o a_o fact_n upon_o which_o any_o scandal_n follow_v ought_v not_o to_o be_v do_v for_o the_o commandment_n of_o man._n whence_o you_o collect_v that_o in_o such_o a_o case_n we_o ought_v not_o to_o regard_v or_o obey_v the_o commandment_n of_o our_o superioure_n 44._o this_o your_o reason_n can_v not_o be_v good_a because_o we_o can_v easy_o retort_v the_o argument_n and_o say_v to_o you_o that_o in_o such_o a_o case_n we_o ought_v not_o to_o regard_v the_o scandal_n causeleslie_o take_v by_o our_o weak_a brethren_n so_o far_o as_o to_o deny_v simple_o and_o absolute_o obedience_n to_o our_o superioure_n for_o it_o and_o that_o because_o the_o sin_n of_o disobedience_n ought_v to_o be_v eschew_v and_o no_o scandal_n of_o weak_a brethren_n causeleslie_o take_v can_v make_v that_o fact_n not_o to_o be_v the_o sin_n of_o disobedience_n which_o otherway_n that_o be_v extra_fw-la casum_fw-la scandali_fw-la will_v be_v the_o sin_n of_o disobedience_n for_o it_o be_v certain_a that_o lay_v aside_o the_o case_n of_o scandal_n to_o deny_v obedience_n to_o the_o ordinance_n of_o our_o superioure_n enjoin_v and_o peremptorlie_o requyre_v of_o we_o thing_n lawful_a and_o expedient_a be_v real_o the_o sin_n of_o disobedience_n you_o will_v say_v that_o the_o scandal_n of_o weak_a brethren_n may_v make_v that_o fact_n or_o omission_n not_o to_o be_v disobedience_n which_o otherways_o will_v be_v disobedience_n because_o we_o ought_v not_o for_o the_o commandment_n of_o man_n do_v that_o where-by_a our_o weak_a brother_n may_v be_v offend_v and_o so_o the_o precept_n of_o obedience_n bind_v not_o when_o offence_n of_o a_o weak_a brother_n may_v be_v fear_v on_o the_o contrary_n we_o say_v that_o the_o lawful_a commandment_n of_o superioure_n may_v make_v that_o scandal_n of_o our_o weak_a brethren_n not_o to_o be_v impute_v unto_o we_o which_o otherway_n will_v be_v impute_v unto_o we_o as_o a_o matter_n of_o our_o guiltiness_n because_o we_o ought_v not_o for_o fear_v of_o scandal_n causeleslie_o take_v deny_v obedience_n to_o the_o lawful_a commandment_n of_o our_o superioure_n 45._o again_o you_o say_v that_o when_o scandal_n of_o weak_a brethren_n may_v be_v fear_v the_o precept_n of_o obedience_n be_v not_o obligatorie_n in_o respect_n the_o thing_n command_v by_o our_o superioure_n although_o it_o be_v in_o itself_o lawful_a yet_o it_o become_v unexpedient_a in_o respect_n of_o the_o scandal_n which_o may_v follow_v upon_o it_o now_o say_v you_o the_o ordinance_n of_o our_o superioure_n be_v not_o obligatorie_n when_o the_o thing_n command_v by_o they_o be_v unexpedient_a we_o on_o the_o contrary_a say_v that_o when_o our_o superioure_n require_v of_o we_o obedience_n to_o their_o lawful_a commandment_n the_o precept_n of_o eschew_v scandal_n be_v not_o obligatorie_n in_o respect_n we_o ought_v not_o for_o scandal_n causeleslie_o take_v omit_v necessary_a duty_n which_o god_n in_o his_o law_n require_v of_o we_o in_o which_o number_n we_o most_o just_o do_v reckon_v the_o dvetie_n of_o obedience_n which_o we_o owe_v to_o the_o lawful_a commandment_n of_o our_o superioure_n 46._o as_o for_o that_o which_o you_o say_v that_o when_o scandal_n may_v be_v take_v at_o the_o do_v of_o the_o thing_n command_v than_o the_o thing_n command_v become_v inexpedient_a and_o so_o ought_v not_o to_o be_v obey_v that_o you_o be_v