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which_o be_v write_v in_o all_o man_n â—_z the_o church_n have_v for_o ever_o no_o less_o than_o now_o stand_v bind_v to_o observe_v they_o whether_o the_o apostle_n have_v mention_v they_o or_o no._n neither_o say_v he_o therein_o much_o amiss_o except_o that_o same_o no_o less_o bind_v so_o that_o as_o it_o seem_v the_o defend_v and_o rejoynder_n make_v such_o courtesy_n of_o prove_v our_o ceremony_n agreeable_a to_o these_o rule_n can_v very_o hardly_o show_v that_o they_o be_v agreeable_a to_o light_n &_o law_n of_o nature_n after_o this_o light_a skirmish_n about_o 2._o rule_n the_o rejoynder_n sound_v a_o retreat_n and_o say_v he_o will_v refer_v the_o consideration_n of_o the_o agreement_n of_o our_o ceremony_n to_o the_o true_a rule_n unto_o a_o fit_a place_n but_o a_o fit_a place_n can_v scarce_o be_v find_v for_o here_o it_o be_v challenge_v by_o the_o reply_o here_o it_o be_v promise_v by_o the_o rejoynder_n when_o he_o crave_v leave_v to_o speak_v more_o full_o of_o rule_n â—o_o be_v observe_v and_o this_o be_v register_v in_o the_o table_n rule_v about_o ceremony_n show_v in_o a_o digression_n now_o after_o all_o this_o to_o make_v only_o a_o few_o pragmatical_a exception_n against_o 2._o rule_n which_o he_o term_v irregular_a and_o out_o of_o square_a not_o once_o touch_v upon_o the_o rule_n which_o the_o reply_o require_v satisfaction_n about_o v._o 13._o if_o our_o ceremony_n be_v needful_a and_o profitable_a for_o the_o aedification_n of_o the_o people_n by_o the_o more_o comely_a and_o orderly_a performance_n of_o that_o service_n whiâ—h_o god_n have_v express_o praescribe_v in_o his_o word_n and_o so_o to_o put_v of_o the_o business_n unto_o another_o invisible_a and_o uncertain_a place_n this_o be_v nothing_o else_o but_o to_o be_v the_o def._n his_o second_o in_o the_o fault_n he_o be_v accuse_v for_o but_o not_o in_o relieve_v of_o he_o at_o all_o it_o be_v not_o for_o nothing_o that_o he_o call_v the_o challenge_n a_o quarrel_n as_o insinuate_v it_o be_v not_o a_o thing_n fit_v to_o be_v meddle_v in_o the_o truth_n be_v the_o rej._n in_o his_o conscience_n hold_v our_o cerem_fw-la incommodious_a or_o inexpedient_a though_o not_o simple_o unlawful_a and_o therefore_o can_v find_v no_o place_n to_o show_v that_o they_o be_v needful_a and_o profitable_a for_o aedification_n i_o doubt_v whether_o another_o special_a command_v from_o the_o king_n will_v bring_v he_o to_o print_v a_o treatise_n about_o that_o question_n sect_n 16._o concern_v order_n and_o decency_n 1._o cor._n 14.40_o the_o only_a place_n by_o the_o rejoynder_n his_o confession_n for_o ecclesiastical_a power_n in_o constitute_v ecclesiastical_a ceremony_n the_o defender_n begin_v to_o confronte_n and_o confute_v our_o tenant_n neither_o bring_v nor_o can_v bring_v any_o scripture_n for_o the_o authority_n of_o church_n to_o ordain_v ceremony_n but_o only_o this_o one_o 1._o cor._n 14._o he_o say_v in_o deed_n that_o he_o name_v only_o this_o place_n not_o to_o trouble_v we_o with_o any_o other_o at_o this_o present_a but_o the_o rejoynder_n more_o ingenuous_o confess_v that_o this_o be_v the_o only_a place_n in_o the_o new_a testament_n by_o which_o all_o divineâ—_n do_v conclude_v that_o a_o power_n be_v give_v to_o the_o church_n to_o constitute_v rite_n etc._n etc._n this_o place_n be_v all_o the_o answer_n they_o give_v or_o can_v give_v to_o those_o that_o be_v wont_a to_o trouble_v they_o with_o a_o quo_fw-la warranto_fw-la if_o this_o place_n than_o fail_v they_o or_o serve_v not_o their_o turn_n be_v not_o our_o ceremony_n confess_v to_o be_v appoint_v without_o any_o warrant_n of_o the_o word_n at_o least_o in_o the_o new_a testament_n 1._o now_o that_o it_o do_v not_o make_v to_o the_o purpose_n it_o be_v first_o show_v from_o this_o that_o the_o defend_v himself_o conclude_v no_o more_o from_o thence_o then_o that_o the_o church_n may_v by_o virtue_n of_o this_o permission_n ordain_v any_o ceremony_n that_o may_v be_v fit_a for_o the_o better_a serve_v of_o god_n which_o make_v nothing_o to_o the_o purpose_n except_o first_o it_o be_v prove_v that_o god_n be_v better_a serve_v with_o our_o ceremony_n then_o without_o they_o the_o rejoynder_n here_o 1._o deni_v this_o to_o be_v his_o conclusion_n and_o yet_o they_o be_v his_o own_o word_n &_o no_o other_o conclusion_n be_v mention_v by_o he_o as_o appeareth_z in_o the_o rejoynder_n itself_o pag._n 74._o but_o by_o this_o say_v the_o rejoynder_n he_o undertake_v to_o prove_v another_o thing_n let_v it_o be_v so_o yet_o he_o must_v first_o prove_v this_o which_o he_o immediate_o draw_v out_o of_o the_o text_n which_o he_o do_v not_o neither_o do_v he_o so_o much_o as_o name_v that_o other_o thing_n which_o he_o undertake_v to_o prove_v much_o less_o perform_v his_o undertake_n this_o be_v therefore_o no_o fit_n place_n for_o he_o to_o vent_n his_o phrase_n of_o shoot_v beside_o the_o butt_n 2._o he_o accuse_v the_o repl._n of_o insult_a because_o he_o deny_v the_o consequence_n and_o give_v a_o reason_n of_o it_o and_o yet_o refer_v the_o answer_n of_o that_o reason_n to_o a_o fit_a place_n i_o know_v not_o where_o only_o he_o repeat_v the_o often_o explode_a evasion_n that_o the_o question_n be_v whether_o all_o lawful_a thing_n be_v particular_o or_o express_o command_v in_o the_o word_n which_o none_o of_o we_o ever_o write_v say_v or_o think_v yet_o we_o must_v be_v trouble_v with_o this_o groundless_a useless_a repetition_n over_o and_o over_o again_o 2._o the_o only_a back_n of_o the_o consequence_n make_v out_o of_o this_o place_n be_v that_o all_o father_n and_o all_o divine_n the_o rej._n add_v of_o whatsoever_o religion_n not_o except_v socinian_n nor_o yet_o anabaptist_n who_o he_o use_v to_o acknowledge_v adversary_n to_o his_o conclusion_n do_v use_v this_o place_n for_o one_o and_o the_o same_o conclusion_n now_o this_o be_v easy_a to_o say_v then_o to_o demonstrate_v i_o do_v not_o find_v this_o place_n much_o use_v to_o any_o such_o purpose_n by_o the_o father_n chrysostome_n expound_v it_o of_o moral_a virtuous_a carriage_n opposite_a unto_o such_o perverse_a walk_n as_o if_o a_o man_n go_v upon_o his_o hand_n with_o his_o foot_n upward_o ambrose_n extend_v it_o no_o further_o then_o to_o thing_n mention_v in_o that_o chapter_n secundum_fw-la ordinem_fw-la suppra_fw-la dictum_fw-la oecumenius_n also_o make_v it_o a_o recapitulation_n of_o thing_n former_o mention_v of_o speak_v by_o course_n and_o woman_n be_v cover_v etc_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d he_o summary_o gather_v together_o all_o that_o go_v before_o basil_n expound_v it_o of_o time_n and_o place_n ed._n gr_n pag._n 530._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o of_o proportion_n to_o be_v observe_v betwixt_o divers_a member_n pag._n 459._o these_o be_v some_o father_n etc._n henâ—stè_fw-fr 〈◊〉_d ut_fw-la uno_fw-la oquente_a alij_fw-la taccant_a &_o mulieres_fw-la in_o ecclesia_fw-la non_fw-la loquantur_fw-la &c_n &c_n secundum_fw-la ordinem_fw-la â—_o e._n ut_fw-la primo_fw-la unus_fw-la &_o posteà _fw-la aâ—rus_fw-la loquatur_fw-la &_o perparte_v etc._n etc._n and_o as_o i_o amperswade_v more_o than_o either_o def._n or_o rejoynder_n can_v bring_v so_o to_o argue_v from_o this_o place_n as_o he_o do_v among_o the_o ancient_a schoolman_n it_o be_v hard_o to_o find_v where_o any_o one_o of_o they_o do_v conclude_v ceremony_n proper_a to_o religion_n out_o of_o this_o place_n thomas_n in_o his_o comm._n upon_o it_o do_v so_o interpret_v it_o that_o he_o leave_v no_o ground_n for_o any_o such_o conclusion_n honest_o 1._o e._n while_o one_o speak_v that_o other_o be_v silent_a paraph_n quemadmodum_fw-la praescripsi_fw-la cuncta_fw-la siant_fw-la cum_fw-la decoâ—o_fw-la &_o ordine_fw-la n._n quid_fw-la â—urpstudinis_fw-la aut_fw-la tumâ—ltus_fw-la exoriatur_fw-la paraph_n and_o that_o woman_n speak_v not_o in_o church_n in_o order_n 1._o e._n that_o first_o one_o and_o then_o another_o speak_v etc_n erasmus_n consent_v decent_o and_o in_o order_n that_o no_o unsâ—emelines_n or_o tumult_n arise_v tradâ—derat_fw-la in_o locis_fw-la suis_fw-la titulo_fw-la de_fw-la tradiâ—nibus_fw-la humanis_fw-la eâ—tat_fw-la verba_fw-la hac_fw-la apostol_n omne_fw-la honesta_fw-la somnia_fw-la honest_a &_o secum_fw-la dum_fw-la ordinem_fw-la fiant_fw-la ut_fw-la comprehet_fw-la traditiones_fw-la episcoporum_fw-la quibus_fw-la etc_fw-la esse_fw-la anthenticat_v &_o cum_fw-la conscientia_fw-la obedientia_fw-la servandas_fw-la verum_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la praescriptum_fw-la hec_fw-la apostoli_fw-la ad_fw-la quasvis_fw-la episcoporum_fw-la traditiones_fw-la referendum_fw-la sâ—d_fw-la ad_fw-la ca_fw-mi qua_fw-la ipsâ—_fw-la ecclesijs_fw-la tradâ—derat_fw-la among_o late_a writer_n these_o word_n be_v often_o apply_v to_o rite_n but_o in_o a_o diverse_a manner_n the_o papist_n and_o some_o other_o do_v prove_v from_o hence_o their_o double_a treble_n analogical_a sacramentall_n as_o the_o rejoynder_n call_v they_o see_v hosius_n his_o conf._n de_fw-fr ritib._n bap._n c._n 37._o bell._n the_o
which_o concern_v protestation_n and_o in_o stead_n thereof_o to_o turn_v they_o unto_o commendation_n do_v ever_o any_o that_o write_v for_o our_o ceremony_n write_v such_o a_o epistle_n as_o zanchy_n unto_o queen_n or_o king_n can_v they_o say_v so_o much_o and_o do_v as_o they_o do_v nay_o be_v there_o any_o bishop_n that_o dare_v licence_n zanchie_a his_o epistle_n to_o queen_n eliz_n and_o b._n jewel_n both_o together_o for_o to_o be_v print_v in_o english_a these_o thing_n be_v so_o i_o leave_v it_o unto_o consideration_n unto_o who_o the_o rejoynder_n his_o affect_a censure_n belong_v now_o wel-sare_a a_o good_a stomach_n he_o can_v resist_v but_o he_o will_v not_o yield_v sect_n 20.21_o concern_v reason_n against_o the_o negative_a argument_n from_o scripture_n 1._o the_o def._n his_o first_o reason_n be_v whatsoever_o be_v unlawful_a be_v a_o trangression_n of_o some_o law_n reveal_v in_o the_o word_n ergo_fw-la against_o it_o ergo_fw-la not_o only_o beside_o it_o the_o repl._n grant_v all_o and_o show_v that_o it_o be_v a_o mere_a fantasy_n before_o confute_v as_o a_o cavil_n in_o the_o reply_n and_o long_o since_o by_o m_n r._n cartwright_n 2._o rep._n p._n 56._o not_o agreeable_a to_o the_o very_a word_n of_o the_o argument_n to_o which_o it_o be_v oppose_v upon_o this_o the_o rejoynd_a pour_v out_o word_n he_o turn_v head_n o_o strange_a a_o babe_n own_a from_o the_o birth_n suckle_v by_o many_o scripture_n a_o ill_a favour_v face_v brat_n absurd_a contradictory_n when_o he_o be_v take_v in_o a_o snare_n he_o say_v he_o be_v mistake_v and_o what_o reason_n have_v he_o to_o back_n or_o bear_v out_o all_o these_o word_n with_o if_o the_o scripture_n say_v he_o condemn_v what_o soever_o be_v do_z not_o only_o against_o but_o beside_o tâ—e_v direction_n thereof_o then_o do_v it_o condemn_v something_o as_o unlawful_a for_o be_v only_o beside_o it_o and_o not_o any_o way_n against_o it_o to_o which_o i_o answer_v that_o it_o do_v not_o follow_v because_o a_o thing_n may_v be_v only_o beside_o the_o word_n some_o way_n and_o yet_o some_o way_n against_o it_o only_o beside_o the_o particular_a prescript_n of_o it_o and_o yet_o against_o the_o general_a command_n of_o it_o if_o a_o father_n charge_v his_o son_n or_o a_o master_n his_o servant_n first_o that_o for_o a_o certain_a time_n he_o do_v nothing_o beside_o that_o which_o he_o shall_v bid_v he_o and_o then_o command_v he_o for_o that_o time_n to_o read_v in_o a_o certain_a book_n if_o that_o son_n or_o servant_n shall_v beside_o read_v paint_v antic_a fâ—ces_n in_o his_o book_n he_o shall_v do_v only_o beside_o the_o particular_a commande_fw-fr and_o yet_o against_o the_o general_a charge_n &_o both_o way_n censurable_a let_v the_o rejoynder_n therefore_o spare_v his_o word_n and_o see_v better_o to_o his_o argument_n or_o rather_o eat_v both_o that_o other_o be_v not_o trouble_v with_o they_o 2._o the_o second_o reason_n bring_v by_o the_o def._n be_v nothing_o that_o be_v indifferent_a can_v be_v pronounce_v simple_o unlawful_a but_o some_o ceremony_n of_o man_n invention_n be_v indifferent_a ergo_fw-la not_o to_o be_v pronounce_v simple_o unlawful_a all_o which_o be_v grant_v of_o circumstance_n of_o order_n if_o by_o invention_n be_v mean_v determination_n otherwise_o the_o assumption_n be_v deny_v though_o it_o be_v add_v also_o exsuperabundante_fw-la that_o thing_n indifferent_a be_v sometime_o take_v so_o general_o that_o in_o that_o sense_n the_o proposition_n may_v be_v deny_v against_o this_o i_o can_v discern_v what_o material_a thing_n be_v rejoin_v he_o say_v that_o it_o be_v easy_a to_o say_v the_o assumption_n be_v false_a and_o not_o to_o show_v wherein_o but_o i_o have_v hitherto_o think_v that_o it_o be_v sufficient_a for_o answer_v to_o any_o argument_n to_o deny_v the_o assumption_n until_o it_o be_v prove_v and_o that_o the_o falsity_n of_o any_o sentence_n do_v consist_v in_o this_o that_o it_o pronounce_v otherwise_o then_o the_o thing_n be_v and_o therefore_o in_o say_v a_o assumption_n be_v false_a it_o be_v not_o needful_a to_o show_v wherein_o he_o say_v also_o that_o the_o large_a sense_n of_o thing_n indifferent_a do_v make_v no_o variation_n of_o thing_n indifferent_a but_o the_o author_n and_o place_n be_v name_v to_o he_o sopingius_fw-la in_o his_o apology_n ad_fw-la lib._n anonym_n pag._n 166._o where_o the_o case_n be_v very_o pertinent_a for_o doctor_n sibrandus_fw-la be_v challenge_v by_o a_o remonstrant_a who_o entitle_v his_o book_n bona_fw-la fides_fw-la sitrandi_fw-la that_o as_o in_o a_o epistle_n dedicatory_a to_o the_o archebishop_n of_o canterbury_n he_o have_v to_o win_v his_o favour_n the_o more_o against_o vorstius_n and_o he_o declare_v his_o judgement_n of_o the_o hierarchy_n and_o ceremony_n of_o england_n to_o be_v thing_n indifferent_a so_o he_o speak_v of_o the_o magistrate_n power_n under_o the_o same_o term_n unfit_o sopingius_fw-la a_o godly_a learned_a man_n who_o have_v 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