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A78447 The censures of the church revived. In the defence of a short paper published by the first classis within the province of Lancaster ... but since printed without their privity or consent, after it had been assaulted by some gentlemen and others within their bounds ... under the title of Ex-communicatio excommunicata, or a Censure of the presbyterian censures and proceedings, in the classis at Manchester. Wherein 1. The dangerousness of admitting moderate episcopacy is shewed. ... 6. The presbyterian government vindicated from severall aspersions cast upon it, ... In three full answers ... Together with a full narrative, of the occasion and grounds, of publishing in the congregations, the above mentioned short paper, and of the whole proceedings since, from first to last. Harrison, John, 1613?-1670.; Allen, Isaac, 17th cent. 1659 (1659) Wing C1669; Thomason E980_22; ESTC R207784 289,546 380

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sound_a and_o orthodox_n for_o which_o we_o can_v so_o ready_o join_v with_o you_o till_o further_a satisfaction_n be_v give_v we_o and_o which_o the_o publisher_n of_o your_o paper_n promise_v shall_v be_v give_v to_o all_o that_o do_v desire_v we_o therefore_o think_v fit_a to_o signify_v these_o our_o scruple_n to_o you_o and_o shall_v wait_v earnest_o for_o a_o speedy_a satisfaction_n in_o the_o particular_n remain_v january_n the_o 12._o 1657._o your_o brethren_n desirous_a of_o truth_n unity_n and_o peace_n in_o the_o church_n joshuah_n cudworth_n john_n ogden_n sen._n john_n ogden_n junior_n capt._n james_n buckley_n israel_n taylor_n john_n buckley_n nicholas_n walker_n ralph_n hall_n edward_n newton_n abraham_n butterworth_n robert_n twyford_n william_n radclyffe_n jo._n hartley_n ra._n bradshaw_n edward_n richardson_n tho._n holland_n fra._n mosley_n john_n byrom_n alexand._n radclyffe_n robert_n hey_o robert_n ashton_n william_n heawood_n alexander_n greene._n james_n 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