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〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d nor_o can_v it_o well_o stand_v with_o the_o sense_n and_o construction_n of_o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d what_o shall_v it_o be_v govern_v of_o will_v not_o any_o grammarian_n refer_v it_o to_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d immediate_o precede_v rather_o than_o to_o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d from_o which_o it_o be_v so_o far_a disjoined_n the_o word_n in_o the_o greek_a lie_n thus_o neglect_v not_o the_o gift_n that_o be_v in_o thou_o which_o be_v give_v thou_o by_o prophesy_v and_o the_o lay_v on_o of_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o presbytery_n now_o according_a to_o the_o sense_n the_o remonstrant_a strive_v for_o it_o be_v thus_o neglect_v not_o the_o gift_n of_o the_o office_n of_o the_o presbytery_n which_o be_v give_v thou_o by_o the_o lay_n on_o of_o hand_n bishop_n downham_n himself_o without_o the_o bold_a foist_v in_o to_o use_v the_o remonstrants_n word_n of_o a_o parenthesis_n into_o the_o text_n can_v make_v this_o interpretation_n good_a we_o think_v we_o have_v sufficient_o prove_v this_o interpretation_n in_o our_o answer_n by_o produce_v all_o the_o text_n in_o the_o new_a testament_n in_o which_o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v use_v and_o show_v that_o in_o they_o it_o signify_v the_o person_n and_o not_o the_o office_n and_o several_a text_n out_o of_o hierom_n ignatius_n &_o council_n ancyr_n to_o the_o same_o purpose_n the_o father_n and_o counsel_n he_o be_v willing_a to_o pass_v by_o in_o silence_n the_o scripture_n he_o peck_v at_o and_o tell_v we_o we_o do_v mere_o delude_v the_o reader_n 51._o for_o there_o it_o be_v mean_v of_o elder_n of_o the_o people_n not_o of_o the_o church_n good_a sir_n do_v not_o you_o delude_v yourself_o &_o your_o reader_n too_o out_o of_o a_o desire_n to_o traduce_v we_o be_v they_o elder_n of_o the_o people_n or_o of_o the_o church_n it_o be_v sufficient_a to_o prove_v that_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d signify_v not_o the_o office_n 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it_o out_o of_o hierome_n and_o chrysostome_n yet_o let_v the_o reader_n consult_v the_o 37._o page_n of_o our_o answer_n which_o the_o remonstrant_a leaf_n unanswered_a and_o judge_v between_o we_o how_o far_o we_o be_v from_o such_o confession_n his_o only_a shift_n now_o be_v to_o say_v our_o bishop_n neither_o challenge_v nor_o exercise_v any_o such_o power_n we_o have_v evident_o prove_v they_o do_v both_o manet_fw-la ergo_fw-la inconcussum_fw-la our_o bishop_n and_o the_o bishop_n of_o former_a time_n be_v two_o sect_n ix_o here_o say_v the_o remonstrant_a 73._o we_o beat_v the_o air_n and_o yet_o not_o the_o air_n but_o the_o remonstrant_a too_o into_o the_o confession_n of_o that_o which_o will_v not_o be_v confess_v heretofore_o by_o such_o of_o they_o especial_o as_o have_v contend_v for_o such_o a_o bishop_n as_o exercise_v spiritual_a jurisdiction_n out_o of_o his_o own_o peculiarly_a demandated_a authority_n if_o jurisdiction_n exercise_v from_o a_o authority_n peculiar_o 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for_o as_o much_o as_o we_o proceed_v right_o etc._n etc._n have_v adjudge_v all_o and_o every_o one_o who_o name_n be_v under-written_a to_o be_v excommunicate_v we_o do_v therefore_o commit_v to_o you_o etc._n etc._n to_o denounce_v open_o under_o pain_n and_o peril_n etc._n etc._n give_v under_o our_o seal_n such_o a_o day_n etc._n etc._n let_v any_o footstep_n of_o such_o a_o power_n be_v show_v in_o antiquity_n presbyter_n he_o grant_v have_v their_o vote_n in_o provincial_n synod_n we_o from_o good_a authority_n say_v more_o they_o have_v their_o vote_n in_o all_o ordinary_a judicature_n but_o after_o all_o these_o grant_n 74._o which_o be_v as_o good_a as_o nothing_o now_o he_o come_v to_o plead_v his_o own_o we_o just_o say_v that_o the_o superiority_n of_o jurisdiction_n be_v so_o in_o the_o bishop_n as_o that_o presbyter_n neither_o may_v nor_o do_v exercise_v it_o without_o he_o to_o what_o purpose_n be_v this_o if_o the_o remonstrant_a speak_v of_o scripture_n time_n we_o 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