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the_o presbyser_n ib._n 49._o 4._o as_o for_o election_n and_o ordination_n of_o officer_n etc._n etc._n these_o thing_n they_o the_o brethren_n may_v do_v if_o need_v be_v without_o officer_n the_o way_n p._n 45._o 101._o 4._o ordination_n be_v not_o a_o act_n of_o supreme_a jurisdidiction_n but_o of_o order_n rather_o in_o h._n survey_v part_n 2.75_o 5._o the_o key_n of_o authority_n or_o rule_n be_v commit_v to_o the_o elder_n of_o the_o church_n and_o so_o the_o act_n of_o rule_n be_v the_o proper_a act_n of_o their_o office_n the_o key_n p._n 20._o the_o people_n discern_v and_o approve_v the_o justice_n of_o the_o censure_n give_v consent_n and_o obedience_n to_o the_o will_n and_o rule_n of_o christ_n the_o key_n pag._n 15._o 37._o 41._o the_o brethren_n stand_v in_o a_o order_n even_o a_o orderly_a subjection_n according_a to_o the_o order_n of_o the_o gospel_n p._n 11._o 5._o in_o case_n the_o officer_n do_v err_v and_o commit_v offence_n they_o shall_v be_v govern_v by_o 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the_o church_n have_v lawful_a authority_n to_o proceed_v to_o censure_v of_o they_o all_o the_o way_n p._n 45._o in_o case_n of_o offence_n give_v by_o a_o elder_a or_o whole_a eldership_n together_o the_o church_n have_v authority_n to_o require_v satisfaction_n and_o if_o they_o give_v it_o not_o to_o proceed_v to_o censure_v ibid._n p._n 101._o 6._o excommunication_n be_v not_o a_o act_n of_o power_n of_o office_n but_o of_o judgement_n nor_o a_o act_n of_o high_a rule_n but_o of_o supreme_a judgement_n seat_v in_o the_o fraternity_n survey_v par_fw-fr 3._o p._n 45._o as_o a_o church_n of_o brethren_n can_v proceed_v to_o any_o public_a censure_n without_o elder_n so_o nor_o the_o elder_n without_o concurrence_n of_o the_o people_n etc._n etc._n pref._n to_o the_o key_n pag._n 4._o 7._o it_o be_v a_o sacrilegious_a breach_n of_o order_n that_o commissary_n and_o chancellor_n want_v the_o key_n of_o order_n no_o minister_n have_v be_v invest_v with_o jurisdiction_n yea_o and_o 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congregation_n do_v it_o ordinary_o themselves_o  _fw-fr 9_o a_o particular_a church_n of_o saint_n profess_v the_o faith_n that_o be_v member_n without_o officer_n be_v the_o first_o subject_n of_o all_o the_o church_n office_n with_o all_o their_o spiritual_a gift_n and_o power_n the_o key_n p._n 31._o 9_o as_o the_o key_n of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n be_v divers_a so_o be_v the_o subject_n to_o who_o they_o be_v commit_v divers_a the_o key_n p._n 11._o the_o apostle_n be_v the_o first_o subject_n of_o apostolical_a power_n ib._n p._n 32._o a_o synod_n be_v the_o first_o subject_n of_o that_o power_n whereby_o error_n be_v convince_v and_o condemn_v etc._n etc._n ib._n p._n 47._o 9_o the_o power_n of_o the_o key_n belong_v first_o to_o a_o congregation_n of_o covenant_a believer_n suru._n
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