THE WINCHCOMB PAPERS REVIVED Wherein are contained some particulars concerning The Government of the Church Liturgy and Forms of Prayer Ordination and power of Ministers Administration of the Sacrament c. For the use of dissenting Brethren Veritati paci LONDON For John Barksdale Newstreet Five Bells 1675. S. Augustinus de fide oper c. 5. tom 4. p. 13. Cum sive per negligentiam praepositorum sive per aliquam excusabilem necessitatem sive per occultas obreptiones invenimus in ecclesia malos quos ecclesiasticâ disciplinâ corrigere aut coërcere non possumus tunc non ascendat in cor nostrum impia ac perniciosa praesumptio quâ existimemus nos ab his esse separandos ut peccatis eorum non inquinemur atque ita post nos trahere conemur veluti mundos sanctosque discipulos ab unitatis compage quasi à malorum consortio segregatos Veniant in mentem illae descripturis similitudines divina oracula vel certissima exempla quibus demonstratum pronuntiatum est malos in ecclesia permixtos bonis usque in finem seculi tempusque judicii futuros nihil bonis in unitate ac participatione Sacramentorum qui eorum factis non consenserint obfuturos The Review THat which at first gave life to the following Papers is the cause also why they are now revived namely the consideration of many evils done to the Church of England by the over-busie actings of some men that stile them selves Pastors of Gathered Churches who while they gather a few scatter many There is a short but sad complaint which I have lately seen written in the name of many thousands of this Country to this effect 1 That in severall great Parishes Market Towns and other Ministers are placed who own but a very few as Members of their Church and preach judgement to the rest and deprive them and their children of the Sacraments and other Ministerial Offices yet receive the profits and account them but as Heathens except they will enter into their private Covenant 2 That the said Preachers wander abroad with their Disciples after them invade other mens parishes distract the people and alienate their mindes from their lawful Pastors 3 That they spread under pretence of preaching Christ very dangerous opinions against parish-Churches and parish-Ministers and against that order and Goverment that ought to be restored to the Church of God 4 That the said preachers pretend to be the men by whose favour or disfavour other Ministers must stand or fall Whose Ordination they call Antichristian and have a designe to plant their illiterate followers whom they exercise to that end in their places These and the like grievances we hope Authority will in time redresse In the mean time it is the duty of Ministers that are left of the old stock to teach the truth and warn the people of these errors To which purpose the following Papers are not of no use In the Review whereof we see the substance of them may be referred chiefly to these Heads Of Church Government Publick Prayers The Ministry Communion And of these we shall note something in relation to the printed Papers 1. For Church-Government I cannot blame the Respondent who had lived under the form of Episcopacy to own that ancient way He denies it not to have been subject unto faults and errors by the miscarriage of persons employed whose faults if they shoud be charged likewise upon other Governments no form neither Civil nor Ecclesiastical would be of any long continuance I suppose it were a good Reformation to make some amendment in the Ecclesiastical Lawes as about the abilities required in persons to be Ordained c. and to bring up the practice of the Church to the Laws That Episcopacy is not to be cast off we the Ancients Ignatius and little reading in are verily perswaded by our other and by what we find in our own best Reformed Divines No more need here be named but Zanchy from beyond sea and Bishop Davenant at home whose words you have in the Testimonies Bishop Davenant a man worthily much esteemed by all parties saith that among many Presbyters that administer the Word and Sacraments in some one City there was one by the Apostles themselves set over the rest and indowed with a certain singular dignity and power And it is manifest these Bishops thus establisht by the Apostles authority had their successions in the same Cities by a continual order And Zanchy saith That in the Protestant Churches are not wanting Bishops and Archbishops indeed and in effect But the good Greek names being changed into bad Latin they call them Superintendents and general Superintendents And where these names are not yet there are wont to be some prime men who have almost all the Authority And why should we contend about names when we agree about the thing I will onely adde upon this first Head what I hear is not displeasing to the Presbyterians I wish it may not be to the Independents whose chief Argument from Mat. 18. for the power of the Congregation is answered by considering that matters seem to be referred to the people because they passed at their assemblies though under censure of Bishops and Presbyters See page 112. Namely the judgment of that most Reverend and learned Primate Dr. Vsher now with God who in four Articles lately printed hath reduced Episcopacy to the form of Synodical Government The summe is this 1 That in every parish the Rector with the Church-wardens note the scandalous and admonish them 2. That they present the obstinate to the monthly rural Synod consisting of the Rectors of that part assembled under the Suffragan there to be censured 3. That the Acts of the monthly Synods be revised once or twice a year by the Diocesan Synod consisting of all the suffragans and some choice Rectors assembled under the Bishop 4. That further Appeal may be made in case of grievances to the Provincial Synods c. This is a way of conjoyning Episcopal government and Presbyterial into one which might happily content all sober Christians so as Church-affairs should be managed to borrow words from the royal pen neither with tyranny impurity nor popularity neither Bishops ejected nor Presbyters despised nor people oppressed Whom God hath joyned together let no man put asunder So much of the first Head 2. For Publick prayers I see no cause to dislike that which is among the following testimonies cited out of Mr. Calvin's Epistle to the Lord Protector wherein he saith I very much approve a certain form of prayers from which it may not be lawful for the Pastors in their function to depart for these reasons that help may be given to the unskilfulnesse of some that the consent of all the Churches may appear that the levity and uncertainty of some men alwaies â—ffecting novelties may be regulated and restrained Yet neither doth Calvin here nor do any of us deny a grave modest
discreet and humble use of Ministers gifts even in publick the better to fit excite their own and the peoples affections to the present occasions But that any mens private single Abilities should quite justle out the publick forms of prayer composed by the joynt Abilities and gifts of Godly learned Governours of the Church this is that we cannot allow of Neither do we conceive the spirit of prayer to consist so much in utterance of words which is but a gift of edification as in stirring up the Graces of faith and humility and other gifts of sanctification wherein the very life and soul of prayer consisteth And certianly he that saith that short comprehensive prayer justly called The Lords prayer because he framed it for his Disciples with an understanding devout and faithfull heart prayes very spiritually very acceptably and powerfully Concerning this prayer I censure it as too yieldingly spoken which is said in the first Letter as if the words might be laid aside and omitted the sense being kept When as in my opinion it is an honour to our Saviour and a good mark of his humble and faithful followers to keep not the sense onely but the very form of words which he hath commended Nor can I see any reason why so many in these times do omit the form as if that omission were now become a distinctive character whereby the most godly preachers and most Reformed Christians might be known But enough of this 3. As to the Ordination and power of Ministers that Text Tit. 1. 5. insisted on in the Dispute adde Acts 14. 23. plainly shews the Apostolical practice of Ordaining Elders in every Church and in succeeding Ages a succession of Christs Ministers was preserved by the like Ordination as Ecclesiastical Records do abundantly witness That Churches parochial should be filled with those that set up a new or no form of worship and minister holy things before they have received holy Orders this I think was never heard of in our land before these our times and what the consequence will be we have great cause to fear even the overthrow of all Religion and the introducing of Atheism and prophaness among our people Those words in the late Mournfull Complaint presented to some Parliament men are to the purpose You have placed in many of our Churches and given the Tithes and other profits belonging to the cure of souls to men that refuse to take any such charge upon them and who are so far from having the affections or performing the duties of faithful Pastors to us that they do professedly disown any such relation and consequently all the duties thereunto belonging Thence they neither Baptise nor Catechise our children nor do they administer the Lords Supper in our Congregations our sick and feeble persons they visite not nor own it as a duty incumbent on them to take care for our souls These Ministers I conceive being not Ordained believe their ministerial power to reach onely to those select persons that are in Covenant with them and submit to their Church-way as if the said power were received from the persons that consent thereunto Thus have we Ministers that are Preachers to thousands and Ministers as themselves say to some few gathered out of the multitude the rest of the multitude in the mean time remaining according to their opinion almost in the quality of meer Heathens and Infidels and if they be not such this seemeth a way â—o make them so For being not owned as Brethren by the gathered Church and having good reasons not to come into their communion they are in many places destitute of divine ordinances without publick Prayers Sermons Sacraments and in a ready way to loose Religion altogether But why do they not come into the Preachers placed among them by Authority Because they believe those Preachers however settled by the civil power have not received the sacred Office by lawful Ordination For we may easily distinguish between the Office and the place wherein the Office is exercised Preachers and Ministers are placed and confirmed in their places by the Magistrate or Civil power but they receive their ministerial Office or spiritual function by lawful Ordination and laying on of the hands of the Presbytery This is called the Power of Order derived not from the Magistrate or Prince not from the people they cannâ—t give what they have not but from Bishops and Presbyters who also have received it from their Predecessors The Ministers Servants Officers and Embassadors of Christ must have their Authority and Commission from Christ either immediately as the Apostles had or mediately by the hands of Elder Ministers as the lawful Ministers of our time have nor may any take this honour unto himself but he that is thus called of God The people indeed may be said to Call that is to invite and intreate Ministers to come unto them but their Calling or Function is from God The Lord of the harvest sends in the laborers the great Shepheard setteth Pastors over his flock the Master of the Family appointeth Stewards for his houshould to dispence unto them the Mysteries of God 4. For the administration of the holy Sacrament that such as have not received the power before mentioned by lawful Ordination do not administer the Sacrament to all we will not blame them because we conceive they have not power of ministring to any one but that they condemn the lawful Ministers for ministring unto the people of their Parishes the sacred things which cannot rightly be denied them this we may complain of In the above cited Mournful Complaint among many other sad passages we finde these words You permit us not to celebrate the memory of our dying Saviour in the Sacrament of his lost Supper and so deprive our souls of that heavenly food that our dear Lord hath with so much cost provided for us We would after many sad violations renew our Covenant with Christ and engage our souls more firmly to him but you will not permit us You complain of the loosenesse of our spirits whilest you withhold the bonds that should knit us faster unto Christ you complain of our weaknesse in resisting corruptions whilest you withhold the food whereby we should be strengthened you complain of seism strife and division whilest by you the sacred pledge of Vnion is detained from us Surely I had râ—ther the Church-gatherers should blame the Minister for his indulgence to the people than that the people should have cause in this manner to complain of his severity but the golden mean is to be inquired for And this is discovered in the ensuing Papers where the Author endeavours on the one side to avoid the preciseness of some that admit to the holy Table onely some few persons chosen out of many hundreds and the loosnesse of some on the other side who admit hundreds and exclude not some few namely such as are ignorant and scandalous such he would have noted kept back and
invested with the ordinary lasting power of ordaining Elders of binding and loosing and of setting things in order herein who were their Successors you may see if you will inform your selves in the book of binding and loosing and in the Latin dissertations against Blondellus Pray take it not ill that we often assert this it is of such concernence that with this truth the Ministers of England must either stand or fall We speak not for Bishops to be Lords of Lands but Fathers of the Church You must all mark that Tr. The differonce 'twixt us appears plainly you are for Bishops which you call the Primitive Apostolical Bishops and in them you place the power which Christ hath left to his Church We are for the Bodies of Congregations which we say are under no superiors neither Bishops nor Presbyters but absolute and independent in respect of man and immediatly under Jesus Christ Col. A. Bishops and Presbyters are all one in the New Testament namely Acts 20. 17. Paul sent to Ephesus and called the Elders of the Church 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and v. 28. the holy Ghost hath made you overseers 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Therefore Presbyters and Bishops are all one P. Noble Sir I answer Bishops in the new Testament are also called Presbyters but they are more than those we now call Presbyters who are to be ordained and governed by the Bishops Any Presbyter may be called Bishop or Overseer of his own Parish but those we eminently stile Bishops now who are Bishops or Overseers and Rulers of those Parish Bishops or Presbyters The Presbyters St. Paul sent for from Ephesus were properly Bishops Tr. No Hear my Argument The Church of Ephesus was but one Congregation I prove it out of Eph. 2. the two last verses In whom Jesus Christ all the building fitly framed together c. A building fitly framed together is but one Congregation But the Church of Ephesus was a building fitly framed together Therefore c. B. To the Major Not only one single Congregation but many united under one Bishop may be so called And that Ephesus was not a single Independent Congregation but a Metropolitical Church you may learn of the most Reverend Primate Dr. Usher a man I think of great Authority among you also as among all Scholars most justly I refer you to his Geographical Tract of the Asian Diocese Tr. Return to the Text Mat. 18. v. 19. I shall prove it undeniably that a single Church hath an independent power But first will you grant me that two or three may be taken for a small Congregation B. Yes I desire to grant you all I can without injury to the Truth Tr. Then thus I argue Where is the Duty and the Blessing there is the Power But in a small Congregation where two or three c. is both the duty and the Blessing Therefore there is also the Power namely of Excommunication B. Where is the duty c. You leave out a very necessary word Independent For supposing that a power of Excommunication were in a particular Congregation I cannot grant it is there independently but there may be an Appeal But did you ever hear of an Indepent Church of two or three Tr. Yes there may be a Church of so few and that independent B. A private Church I grant not a publick enabled with power of Excommunication a power supreme Lo you here is Popery in a little volume an independent absolute supreme Church made up of two or three H. Did you not grant to Mr. Tr. that two or three may be taken for any small number now you recall your words You know if there be twenty in a company we sometimes say there be two or three B. No indeed that 's too far wide Let the people judge of this whether any will say there be two or three if there be twenty persons met in a room Two or three that is twenty silence I pray But Sir the words of Christ are verified if there be but barely two And therefore I may justly think it too small a number to make the Church mentioned v 17. It cannot be for this reason The Church in the 17. v. is of more authority and more in number than the two or three mentioned in the second admonition v. 16. But two or three v. 19 20. are not of more authority nor more in number than the two or three mentioned v. 16. Therefore the two or three v. 19 20. are not the Church mentioned v. 17. Answer this and you shall hold your Supremacy to the worlds end for me H. You hold an Appeal from the Church to the Civil Power which is plain Erastianism B. Erastianisme I shall make it appear to be Christianisme But what was Erastus pray H. I came not here to be Catechized by you B. Erastus was one that denied the power of Excommunication in the Church which I do not but desire it may come into practice upon true Rules If you would know Erastus see the Book of Binding and loosing at large And noble Sir you that are a Civil Magistrate let me call you to witness that I stand here an Advocate truly to plead for the Supreme authority of this Land and I undertake to shew that the Highest powers in the Commonwealth have also the Highest Rule of the Church and may receive Appeals from any Christians that complain of wrong in any Congregation whatsoever Col. A. The Highest Powers haply doubt of that Authority and forbear to execute any such till they be more fully satisfied B. Were I worthy I would request them to know their power and use it for the restitution of Primitive Episcopacy They doubt you say but Sir these men flatly deny that authority of the Civil Magistrate in matters of Religion H. And how I pray do you prove it B. Let every soul be subject to the Higher Powers Every man saith St. Chrysostome whether Lay or Clergy Col. A. There is no such distinction of Lay and Clergy in the Scripture All the Lords people are 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 his Portion B. Sir you say most true that All the Lords people are his Portion that is as selected and called out of the World but his Ministers are more peculiarly his as called from among his People and admitted nearer to him being separated for the Ministration of Holy things But however all sorts of men I say whether Ministers or others must be subject to the Highest powers Tr. Yea in Civil things they must be subject not in Ecclesiastical The Powers are distinct B. They are distinct in their Objects or Matters about which they are exercised they are united in the same Subjects or Persons that are supreme in all causes both Eccleclesiasticall and Civill W. You were wont to pray for the King in that stile B. Yes when the King was and now they that have the Kingly power may withall assume the same title if they please W. By no means
Temporall Governors power Spirituall B. The power of Civill Magistrates in matters of religion is called Ecclesiasticall or Spirituall in respect of the object of it about which it is conversant not in respect of the manner of operating For the supreme powers do not minister in holy things in the Word and Sacraments and censures but they take care and provide that these ministrations be rightly and orderly performed H. But how prove you an appeal to be made to the highest power in a Church-case B. Saint Paul appealed unto Caesar Actâ— 25. 10 11. Tr. Yea but that appeal was in a cause concerning sedition B. Hear himself speak For the Resurrection of the dead am I called in question Act. 23. 6. W. That was said in policy to divide the Pharisees and Sadduces B. However the Apostle spake nothing but the truth as appears also by the words of Festus Act. 23. 19. The question was whether he might preach Jesus and the Resurrection Tr. That Caesar was Nero a heathen tyrant and persecutor a fit man to meddle with Religion B. He was it seems fir for Paul to appeal unto for want of a better and had he acquitted the Apostle he had thereby given him a right against the Jews See Grotius of Authority concerning this particular and the whole matter As for the Supremacy of Christian Kings this is one argument If the Jewish Kings had power in matters of Religion then have the Christian Kings the like power But the Jewish Kings c. To. Let me adde another Argument out of the Prophet concerning the Christian Church Kings shall be her nursing Fathers and Queenes her nursing Mothers W. Read out the verse and you are answered They shall bow down to thee with their faces to the earth Is 49. 23. Here is subjection rather than superiority To. A superiority of Government and Patronage is included in the name of Father but these Fathers are Sons of the Church too in another sense and subject to the spirituall guides of their soules subjection and Government may consist together in severall respects B. Will you turne to the Text in Matth. 18. once more and hear a fair Interpretation of it out of the Excellent Paraphrast Tell it to the Church i. e. to the Rulers of the Assemblies Verily I say unto you to you the designed Rulers of the Church and your Successors the Bishops H. Enough enough pray who is your Author there B. Regard not so much who as what No matter whose the words are if they cleer the Text. This Author Mr. Tr. shews you the true sense of the next verse concerning two or three It is the manner of Scripture where severall things are mentioned to resume the last first and so go back In this retrogradous order the Power of the Church which was last mentioned is spoken of v. 18. and then the two or three are again mentioned which were spoken of v. 16. I will cleer it if you please by sundry the like passages See in of Binding and Loosing pag. 12. c. W. We have enough of you already I would not goe over the door sill to Dispute with one upon whose spirit I see so much of the Pope B. No Gloster-Hall man would say so but you And you say so because you have nothing else to say I am far from Popery and I doubt you are neer it with your Independency Col. A. But Pray-thee what Author have you there on the Text B. I will obey you It is the great ornament of the English Church the Learned and pious Doctor Hammond W. c. An Arminian an Arminian To. That 's a very indirect answer when the words alleged tend not to Arminianism but to the support of Christianism B. I feared you would cast some aspersion upon this Brave Man and therefore would have concealed his name under a silent veneration But you are mistaken when you think the Doctrine of Universall Redemption Arminianism It was the Doctrine of the Church of England before Arminius was born Wee learn it out of the old Church-Catechism I believe in Jesus Christ who redeemed me all mankind And the Church hath learned it out of the plaine Scripture where Christ is the Lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the World c. To. God would have all men to be saved Therefore Christ is the Redeemer of all men Col. A. Paul in that Text to Tim speaks de generibus singulorum not de singulis generum B. S. Paul speaks de singulis generum for elsewhere it is said Christ tasted death for every man Heb. 2. 9. a convincing Text. W. There is a distinction of voluntas signi beneplaciti B. If God hath signified and revealed to us that he would have all men to be saved then it is most true that he would have All men to be saved But he hath signified c. He knows not to lye or to dissemble C. I desire to propose an Argument in this Question if you please to answer me B. Most willingly You are a courteous Gentleman C. If Christ died for all men then shall all men be saved But all men shall not be saved Therefore B. I deny the sequel of your major C. Christ cannot fail of his intention Therefore if Christ died for all men all men shall be saved B. I deny your Antecedent C. To fail of ones intention argues imperfefection But you must not lay any imperfection upon Christ B. No by no meanes Therefore I answer One may fail of his intention two waye either by ones own fault or by the fault of another to whom good is intended Christ failes of his intention not through his own fault but ours he is not wanting to us we are wanting to our selves And I beseech you all dear Christians take heed of conceiving hard thoughts of God of Christ as if he would the death of a sinner Tr. God in his eternall Purpose hath appointed to save some and to damne others B. The purpose of God is absolute or conditionall God purposeth not the damnation of any absolutely but Conditionally upon his refusall of the meanes And for election consider what the Apostle saith He hath chosen us in Christ Eph. 1. 4. See also the judicious Mr. Hooker's distinction of Gods generall inclination and his occasioned Will lib. 5. s 49. Wherefore Beloved I charge you again Take heed that you think not ill of God and of Christ as if he were not really and sincerely willing you should be saved Hear Christ mourning affectionately over Jerusalem How oft would I and thou wouldst not Hear God speaking most pathetically in the Prophet As I live saith the Lord I desire not the death of a sinner Will you not take his word Take his Oath As I live saith the Lord I desire not the death of a sinner but that he turn from his way and live Turn ye Turn ye why will ye dye O house of Israel Turn yee Turn
from all corruptions in doctrine Add the great benefit that accrews to the Congregation in having discreet well-formed prayers and so not subject to the temerity and impertinences of the sudden effusions and the same still in constant use and so not strange or new to them but such as they may with understanding go along with the Minister and by the help of their Memory the most ignorant may carry them away for his private use Pract. Catech. lib. 3. sect 2. Melancthon Calvino 1543. Maii. 11. SCio Deum inter fatales Imperiorum tumultus Ecclesiam suam servare mirabiliter Non igitur frangamur animis sed dum possumus sonemus ut conversus Latro in cruce doctrinam de Filio Dei deque arcana sapientia quae est Ecclesiae propria de magnitudine humanae infirmitatis de poenitentia fiducia promissae misericordiae propter filium de vera invocatione veris Ecclesiae virtutibus de mysteriis non polluendis de Ecclesiae politia non illa quam fingunt Pontifices sed qualis fuit Prophetarum Apostolorum denique de vita aeterna Ad harum maximarum rerum doctrinam ornandam transfer as velim eloquentiom tuam quae confirmare nostros terrere adversarios sanabiles juvare poterit Fortassis nostra Germania paulo post à Turcis vastabitur quod si fiet eo magis vobis alibi in locis tutioribus studia literarum excitanda erunt pugnandum vehementius ut in reliqua Europa Evangelii lucem accendatis retineatis Quod ad quaestionem de praedestinatione habebam amicum Tubingae doctum hominem Franciscum Stadianum qui dicere solebat se utrumque probare evenire omnia ut divina providentia decrevit tamen esse contingentia sed se haec conciliare non posse Ego cum hypothesin hanc teneam Deum non esse causam peccati nec velle peccatum postea contingentiam in hac nostra infirmitate judicii admitto ut sciant rudes Davidem sua voluntate ultro ruere eundem sentio cum haberet Spiritum Sanctum potuisse eum retinere in ea lucta aliquem esse voluntatis actionem Haec etiamsi subtilius disputari possunt tamen ad regendas mentes hoc modo proposit◠accommodata videntur Accusemus ipsi nostram voluntatem cum labimur non quaeramus in Dei consilio causam contra eam nos erigamus sciamus Deum velle opitulari adesse luctantibus 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 inquit Basilius 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Excitetur ergo cura in nobis laudetur Dei immensa bonit as quum promisit auxilium praestat Haec non scribo ut tibi tradam quasi dictata homini eruditissimo ac peritissimo exercitiorum pietatis Et quidem scio haec cum tuis congruere sed sunt 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ad usum accommodata Haec Bonnae scripsi apud D. Bucerum cum eo accersitus est ut Ecclesias in Diocesi Coloniensi emendaret Haec consilia Deo piis votis commendes Philippus Melancthon Of the power of the Congregation LEt not any man think now that the Apostle communicateth this power with the Congregation of the Church of Corinth when he writeth to them 1 Cor. 5. 4 5. being assembled with his spirit to deliver the incestuous person to Satan For it is plain that the sentence is given by the Apostle vers 3. where he writeth For I verily as absent in body but present in spirit have judged already as though I were present concerning him that hath so done this deed And to cause this proceeding to be the better digested he hath vouched his power in the end of the chapter afore verse 18. Now some are puffed up as though I would not come unto you but I will come unto you shortly if the Lord will and will know not the speech of them that are puffed up but the power What will you shall I come unto you with a rod or with the spirit of meekness Which power otherwhiles he setteth before them in case of their disobedience And therefore it must be acknowledged that he writeth to them to see his sentence published ratified and executed which the Presbyters there had either neglected to do or perhaps were not able to bring the people under the Discipline of Christ's Kingdom which must needs oblige the Apostle to interpose And this without doubt is the reason why the Apostle writeth in these terms 1 Cor. 5. 12. For what have I to do to judge those that are without do not ye judge those that are within speaking to the Church in general though the sentence passed by Bishop and Presbyters because matters were censured in the Congregation and executed by the people And thus the practice of that time giveth a reason without straining why our Lord seemeth to refer these matters to the Congregation when he saith Tell it to the Church because they passed at their Assemblies though under Censure of Bishop and Presbyters And great reason there is why this regard should be had by the Apostle and by the Church afterwards to the People because the Church being a meer spiritual Commonwealth and not indued with temporal strength so much as to execute those sentences which the power of the Keys given by Christ obligeth it to inflict always setting wide that power of working miracles which was in the Apostle upon which some think he reflecteth in some passages of those Epistles requisite it was then the Congregation should be satisfied of the course of those proceedings which must come into execution and effect by their voluntary submission to the will of God and the office of his Ministers And as the matter is now that things of this nature proceed not upon mens private Consciences and Judgments in particulars but upon general rules of Common right requisite it is that the Common-wealth have satisfaction of those Laws according to which the Church now must proceed in their censures it being acknowledged that they cannot proceed with effect but by vertue of those Laws that are put in force by the secular Arm. Mr. Thorndike of Prim. Government p. 144. Reader Take for a Conclusion of all at this time that too pertinent Relation which you may read more at large in Mr. Hookers preface collected out of Guy de bres Of the Errour of the Anabaptists THey so much affected to cross the ordinary custome in every thing that when other mens use was to put on better attire they would be sure to shew themselves openly abroad in worse the ordinary names of the days in the week they thought it a kind of prophaness to use and therefore accustomed themselves to make no other distinction than by numbers The first second third day-They boldly avouched that themselves only had the truth and that since the Apostles lived the same was never before in all points sincerely taught Other disputation against their opinions