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A63266 An apology for the non-conformists shewing their reasons, both for their not conforming, and for their preaching publickly, though forbidden by law : with an answer to Dr. Stillingfleet's sermon, and his defence of it, so much as concerneth the non-conformists preaching / by John Troughton ... Troughton, John, 1637?-1681. 1681 (1681) Wing T2312; ESTC R1706 102,506 125

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