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transgression_n of_o the_o political_a law_n of_o moses_n etc._n etc._n yea_o it_o be_v probable_a that_o they_o be_v not_o abrogate_a at_o all_o by_o christ_n among_o the_o people_n of_o the_o jew_n since_o they_o be_v juris_fw-la naturalis_fw-la quoad_fw-la substantiam_fw-la &_o politici_fw-la quoadmodum_fw-la for_o he_o come_v not_o to_o abrogate_v but_o to_o fulfil_v the_o law_n and_o so_o have_v all_o the_o christian_a world_n hitherto_o understand_v this_o passage_n who_o judgement_n we_o can_v easy_o reject_v without_o some_o solid_a ground_n and_o so_o much_o the_o rather_o for_o that_o since_o jesus_n christ_n his_o time_n till_o some_o forty_o or_o fifty_o year_n ago_o or_o thereabouts_o never_o any_o man_n of_o esteem_n do_v ever_o dream_v of_o such_o a_o popular_a and_o confuse_a government_n if_o you_o except_v morelly_n and_o so_o be_v the_o word_n ecclesia_fw-la take_v deut_n 31.28_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d as_o the_o septuagint_n translate_v it_o gather_v unto_o i_o all_o the_o elder_n of_o your_o tribe_n and_o officer_n and_o deut._n 23._o v._o 1_o 2_o 3._o it_o be_v command_v that_o he_o that_o be_v hurt_v by_o burst_v or_o have_v his_o privy_a member_n cut_v off_o that_o be_v a_o bastard_n a_o ammonite_n or_o a_o moabite_n shall_v not_o enter_v into_o the_o congregation_n or_o ecclesia_fw-la even_o to_o the_o ten_o generation_n here_o ecclesia_fw-la or_o congregation_n can_v signify_v the_o real_a but_o the_o representative_a congregation_n for_o it_o have_v be_v unjust_a to_o exclude_v any_o man_n from_o the_o real_a church_n &_o consequent_o from_o god_n covenant_n that_o desire_v to_o be_v therein_o if_o it_o have_v be_v so_o they_o can_v not_o have_v receive_v any_o proselyte_n which_o be_v against_o god_n law_n exod._n 23.48_o where_o it_o be_v command_v to_o admit_v unto_o the_o passeover_n all_o stranger_n that_o will_v be_v circumcise_v so_o that_o which_o be_v say_v to_o the_o elder_n of_o israel_n that_o be_v the_o representative_a congregation_n exod._n 2.16_o be_v say_v to_o have_v be_v say_v to_o the_o son_n of_o israel_n that_o be_v the_o real_a congregation_n exod._n 14._o and_o the_o text_n confirm_v it_o for_o moses_n have_v not_o charge_n to_o say_v that_o the_o lord_n will_v bring_v up_o out_o of_o affliction_n the_o elder_n only_o but_o also_o the_o people_n 25._o this_o doctrine_n at_o once_o condemn_v all_o the_o martyr_n and_o counsel_n and_o all_o their_o practice_n in_o ecclesiastical_a government_n 26._o our_o brethren_n hold_v that_o the_o absent_a part_n of_o the_o church_n may_v give_v over_o or_o remit_v their_o power_n of_o judge_v to_o they_o that_o be_v present_a and_o that_o the_o lesser_a part_n be_v bind_v to_o acquiesce_v with_o the_o major_a part_n in_o voice_n wherefore_o then_o may_v not_o all_o the_o people_n give_v over_o or_o remit_v their_o power_n of_o judge_v to_o a_o certain_a number_n of_o the_o wise_a such_o as_o the_o representative_a church_n be_v or_o acquiesce_v unto_o their_o judgement_n 27._o to_o who_o the_o apostle_n in_o the_o first_o constitution_n of_o the_o church_n at_o their_o last_o farewell_n commit_v the_o power_n of_o jurisdiction_n and_o ordination_n to_o those_o it_o be_v to_o be_v commit_v at_o this_o present_a but_o to_o church-officer_n or_o to_o the_o representative_a body_n of_o the_o church_n alone_o do_v the_o apostle_n in_o the_o first_o constitution_n of_o the_o church_n at_o their_o last_o farewell_o commit_v the_o power_n of_o jurisdiction_n ordination_n etc._n etc._n act_v 20._o 1_o pet._n 5._o ergo._n but_o our_o brethren_n reply_v that_o we_o can_v show_v any_o place_n in_o all_o the_o holy_a scripture_n or_o profane_a author_n where_o the_o word_n church_n be_v take_v in_o this_o signification_n viz._n for_o the_o representative_a church_n or_o congregation_n a._n whereunto_o we_o answer_v 1._o that_o the_o stile_n of_o scripture_n must_v not_o be_v seek_v in_o profane_a author_n but_o in_o scripture_n itself_o 2._o some_o give_v some_o example_n in_o profane_a author_n 3._o in_o scripture_n our_o adversary_n will_v never_o find_v any_o place_n wherein_o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v take_v for_o all_o the_o real_a parochial_a church_n to_o the_o exclusion_n of_o child_n woman_n all_o those_o that_o have_v not_o the_o use_n of_o reason_n and_o that_o be_v notorious_o vicious_a as_o it_o be_v take_v by_o themselves_o 4._o we_o on_o the_o other_o side_n to_o confirm_v the_o signification_n wherein_o it_o be_v take_v by_o we_o viz._n for_o the_o representative_a congregation_n present_v they_o with_o these_o place_n 1_o exod._n 3._o v._o 14._o thus_o shall_v thou_o say_v unto_o the_o child_n of_o israel_n i._n e._n unto_o the_o representative_a body_n of_o the_o child_n of_o israel_n viz._n the_o elder_n of_o israel_n gather_v together_o as_o it_o be_v expound_v v._o 16.2_o exod._n 12._o in_o the_o institution_n of_o the_o passeover_n v._o 3._o speak_v you_o unto_o all_o the_o congregation_n of_o israel_n i._n e._n the_o elder_n which_o be_v the_o representative_a body_n of_o israel_n as_o it_o be_v expound_v v._o 21._o and_o reason_n confirm_v it_o for_o they_o can_v not_o in_o so_o short_a a_o time_n speak_v to_o all_o the_o real_a congregation_n compose_v of_o so_o many_o thousand_o neither_o can_v they_o easy_o be_v gather_v together_o into_o one_o place_n nor_o can_v it_o be_v do_v without_o apparent_a danger_n item_n numb_a 35.24_o in_o speak_v of_o murder_n through_o ignorance_n the_o revenger_n of_o the_o blood_n and_o the_o city_n of_o refuge_n it_o be_v say_v that_o the_o congregation_n shall_v judge_v between_o the_o slay_v and_o the_o revenger_n of_o blood_n according_a to_o those_o judgement_n without_o doubt_v the_o congregation_n here_o can_v signify_v all_o the_o real_a but_o the_o representative_a congregation_n i._n e._n the_o elder_n 1._o because_o so_o it_o be_v expound_v deut._n 19.2_o and_o josua_n 20.4_o 5_o 6._o 2._o because_o it_o be_v not_o for_o every_o one_o of_o the_o people_n or_o the_o real_a congregation_n but_o belong_v to_o the_o elder_n that_o be_v the_o representative_a body_n thereof_o to_o judge_v of_o the_o blood_n and_o deut._n 31.28_o gather_v unto_o i_o all_o the_o elder_n of_o your_o tribe_n and_o your_o officer_n the_o 70._o turn_v it_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d now_o if_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d signify_v to_o congregate_v by_o the_o rule_n of_o conjugata_fw-la it_o follow_v that_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d signify_v a_o congregation_n that_o be_v congregat_v or_o gather_v together_o from_o among_o the_o rest_n but_o the_o ecclesia_fw-la or_o congregation_n that_o be_v here_o gather_v together_o be_v not_o all_o the_o real_a but_o the_o representative_a congregation_n consist_v of_o elder_n etc._n etc._n as_o appear_v by_o the_o text_n ergo._n so_o it_o be_v say_v that_o solomon_n assemble_v the_o elder_n of_o israel_n and_o all_o the_o head_n of_o the_o 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be_v to_o be_v create_v pastor_n be_v of_o a_o vicious_a and_o scandalous_a life_n the_o second_o belong_v not_o to_o every_o one_o of_o the_o people_n but_o only_o to_o church-officer_n who_o be_v presume_v capable_a to_o judge_v of_o doctrine_n and_o of_o his_o ability_n for_o the_o ministry_n now_o whether_o this_o belong_v to_o pastor_n alone_o or_o to_o the_o rule_v elder_n also_o i_o will_v not_o dispute_v only_o they_o say_v that_o they_o only_o can_v examine_v his_o doctrine_n that_o have_v the_o capacity_n to_o judge_v of_o it_o to_o these_o two_o may_v be_v refer_v the_o voice_n of_o his_o probitie_n and_o capacity_n for_o his_o doctrine_n which_o belong_v to_o the_o pastor_n and_o elder_n or_o to_o the_o representative_a church_n for_o howsoever_o the_o people_n may_v assist_v at_o the_o action_n to_o accuse_v the_o person_n that_o be_v to_o be_v receive_v of_o ill_a life_n or_o false_a doctrine_n or_o of_o ignorance_n yet_o for_o the_o reason_n above_o propose_v they_o be_v not_o to_o be_v accept_v in_o voice_n either_o of_o his_o life_n or_o doctrine_n but_o that_o belong_v to_o the_o pastor_n alone_o 1_o tim._n 3.15_o and_o chap._n 5._o v._n 11_o 22._o the_o three_o viz._n the_o right_a of_o ordination_n or_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d seem_v only_o to_o belong_v to_o the_o pastor_n neither_o do_v our_o brethren_n deny_v it_o and_o it_o may_v be_v prove_v from_o 1._o tim._n 3.14_o tit._n 1.5_o as_o for_o the_o admission_n or_o acceptation_n of_o a_o minister_n into_o a_o particular_a church_n it_o belong_v to_o the_o people_n or_o to_o the_o whole_a congregation_n for_o as_o a_o husband_n be_v not_o to_o be_v urge_v upon_o a_o woman_n against_o her_o will_n but_o it_o be_v not_o concubitus_fw-la consensus_fw-la qui_fw-la facit_fw-la matrimonium_fw-la no_o more_o be_v a_o pastor_n upon_o a_o particular_a church_n and_o howsoever_o he_o may_v go_v to_o the_o pulpit_n and_o preach_v among_o they_o yet_o unless_o they_o consent_v he_o be_v not_o their_o 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