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A86003 Male audis or An answer to Mr. Coleman his Malè dicis. Wherein the repugnancy of his Erastian doctrine to the word of God, to the solemne League and Covenant, and to the ordinances of Parliament: also his contradictions, tergiversations, heterodoxies, calumnies, and perverting of testimonies, are made more apparent then formerly. Together with some animadversions upon Master Hussey his Plea for Christian magistracy: shewing, that in divers of the afore mentioned particulars he hath miscarried as much, and in some particulars more then Mr Coleman. / By George Gillespie, minister at Edinbrugh. Published by authority. Gillespie, George, 1613-1648. 1646 (1646) Wing G754; Thomason E317_16; ESTC R200545 44,904 65

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intrusion into the Ministery the Churches consent is requisite for which also I might bring both Scripture and Antiquity but that is not my present businesse One thing I must needs put Mr. Hussey in minde of that when the Prelates did intrude Ministers without any regard to the dis-allowance of the people it was cried out against as an oppression and usurpation And we are often warned by Mr. Prynne by Mr. Coleman and by my selfe to cast away the Prelates usurpation with themselves But who Lords it now over the Lords inheritance the Presbyterians or the Erastians Nay he who will have Ministers put in churches without any regard to the allowance or dis-allowance of people falls farre short of divers Prelaticall men who did much commend the antient primitive forme of calling Ministers not without the churches consent See Dr. Field of the Church lib. 5. cap. 54. Bilson de gubern Eccl. cap. 15. pag. 417. The Author of the History of Epic●pacy part 2. pag. 360. Fourthly Master Hussey Epist. pag. 7. saith That upon further consideration he found the Minister charged onely with Preaching and Baptizing The like he hath afterwards pag. 39. Let any man prove that a Minister hath any more to doe from Christ then to teach and baptize And againe pag. 44. he propounds this Quaere Whether Christ gave any more Government he should have said any more to doe for Preaching and Baptizing are not acts of Government then is contained in Preaching and Baptizing and he holds the negative If only Preaching and Baptizing then not praying and reading in the Congregation ministring the Lords Supper visiting the Sick and particular families Fifthly He holdeth pag. 20. that a Heathen Magistrate is unlawfull and for his government if sinne be lawfull it is lawfull A grosse heterodoxie The Apostle exhorteth to be subject even to Heathen Magistrates Rom. 13. for there were no other at that time and to pray for them 1 Tim. 2. so that by Mr. Hu●sseys Divinity the Apostle would have men to be subject untoa and to pray for an unlawfull Government It is an An baptisticall Tenent that an Heathen Magistrate is not from God which Gerhard de Magistratu position pag. 498. 499. fully confutes Sixthly he saith of Christ pag. 40. He doth nothing as Mediator which he doth not as God or as man It is a dangerous mistake for take the worke of Mediation it selfe he neither doth it as God nor as man but as God-man Seventhly He saith pag. 35. Nothing can be said of Christ as second Person in Trinity in opposition to Mediator but in opposition to man there may So that he will not admit of this opposition Christ as the second Person in the Trinity is equall and consubstantiall to the Father but as Mediator he is not equall to his Father but lesse then his Father and subject and subordinate to his Father a distinction used by our Divines against the Antitrinitarians and Socinians Now by his not admitting of this distinction he doth by consequence myre himselfe in Socinianisme for Christ as Mediator is the Fathers servant Isa 42. 1. and the Father is greater then he Joh. 14. 28. and as the head of the man is Christ so the head of Christ is God 1 Cor. 11. 3. If therefore it cannot be said of Christ as he is the second Person in the Trinity that his Father is not greater then he and that he is not subordinate to God as his head then fare-well Anti-Socinianisme I dare boldly say it is impossible to confute the Socinians or to assert the eternall God-head of Jesus Christ except somewhat be affirmed of him as the second Person of the Trinity which must be denied of him as he is Mediator and something be denied of him as he is the second Person in the Trinity which must be affirmed of him as he is Mediator Eighthly He saith pag. 36. That Christ by his Mediation hath obtained from the Father that he shall not Judge any man according to rigor but as they are in or out of Christ all deferring of Judgement from the wicked is in and for Christ which otherwise the Justice of God would not allow Then Christ did thus farre make satisfaction to the Justice of God in the behalfe of the wicked and dye for them that Judgement might be deferred from them and thus farre performe Acts of Mediation for the Savages and Mahumetans and for them that never heard the Gospell that by such Mediation he hath obtained of the Father that they shall be Judged not according to rigour but by the Gospel Which intimateth that Christ hath taken away all their sinnes against the Law so that all men shall now goe upon a new score and none shall be condemned or Judged by the Law but by the Gospell onely for if Christ have not taken away their sinnes against the Law the Justice of God will ●udge them according to the rigour of the Law Must not every jot of the Law be fulfilled and is there not a necessity that every one underlye the cusre and rigour of the Law o● el●e that the Mediator hath underlyed it for them Ninthly He propounds this Quere pag. 44. Whether Ministers have any right to those Priviledges which are given to the Church more then another Christian and he holds the negative Now the Preaching of the Word and the administration of the Sacraments the power of the Keyes are Priviledges given to the Church that is for the Churches good For all things are yours saith the Apostle whether Paul or Apollo c. c. 1 Cor. 3. 21 22. Therefore by Mr. Husseys Divinity any other Christian hath as much right to administer Word Sacraments Keys as the Minister Come on now to Mr. Colemans errours in Divinity not to repeat what was expressed in my Nihil Respondes but to take off the Maledicis in the maine points The tenth Heterodoxie shall therefore be this That whatsoever is given to Christ he hath it not as the eternall Son of God Into this ditch did Mr. Coleman first fall and then Mr. Hussey pag. 25. after him I said this Tenent leadeth to a blasphemous Heresie For the better understanding whereof let it be remembred what I did premise in my Nihil Respondes pag. 11. in reply to his Proposition That which is given to Christ he hath it not as God This said I is in opposition to what I said pag. 45. concerning the Headship and Dignity of Christ as the naturall Son of God the Image of the inv●sible God Colossians 1. 15. and pag. 43. of the dominion of Christ as he is the eternall Sonne of God This being premised c. Mr. Coleman without taking the least notice of that which I did purposely and plainly premise begins to speake of God essentially and that if something ma● be given to Christ as God then something may be given to God and then God is not absolutely perfect c Maledicis pag. 13. 14. Thus he
Christ there spoken of is as Mediator and he is given to the Church only which I cleared by the Syriak And him who is over all he gave to be the head to the church But his being over all there spoken of if understood of glory dignity excellency over all so Christ is over all as Mediator yea in regard of the exaltation of his humane nature and this helpeth not Master Coleman who intends to prove from that place That all Government even Civill is given to Christ as Mediator But if understood of a Kingdome and Government over all so he is over all as he is the eternall Sonne of God or second Person of the Trinity and not as Mediator Secondly The Question which the Reverend Brother fals upon concerning the personall inhabitation of the Holy Ghost will never follow from any thing which I said more then Gods giving of his Sonne to us will inferre a personall inhabitation of the Sonne of God in us That which I said was to this intent That both the Sonne of God and the Holy Ghost are given not as God essentially that is in respect of the Godhead it self or as they are one in nature with the Father for so the Father that giveth and the Holy Ghost which is given could not be distinguished but the Sonne is given as the Sonne proceeding from the Father and the Holy Ghost is given as the Holy Ghost proceeding and sent from the Father and the Sonne whether he be given to dwell personally in us or by his gracious operations onely is another question which hath nothing to doe with the present argument and therefore I will not be led out of my way The Eleventh Heterodoxy is this I see an absurdity to hold that every man in authority is either Christs Vicegerent or the Divelo Maledicis pag. 16. Here I make this inference Heathen and Infidell Magistrates either they are not men in authority or 2. They are Christs Vicegerents or 3. They are the Divels Maledicis If he say they are not men in authority he shall contradict the Apostle Paul who cals them Higher Powers Rom. 13. 1. and men in activity 1 Tim. 2. 2. speaking in reference even to the Magistrates of that time which were Infidels If he say they are Christs Vicegerents Then 1. I must say that Christ as Mediator reignes without the Church and is a King to those to whom he is neither Priest nor Prophet 2. He must finde a Commission given by Christ to the Infidell Magistrate 3. Whom in authority will he make to be the Divels Vicegerents if Infidell Magistrates be Christs Vicegerents If he say that they are the Divels Vicegerents then it followes 1. That they who resist the Divels Vicegerent resist the Ordinance of God for they that resist an Infidell Magistrate and doe not submit to his lawfull authority which his Infidelity takes not away is said Rom. 13. v. 2. to resist the Ordinance of God 2. That the Apostle Paul bade pray for the Divels Vicegerent 1 Tim. 2. 1 2. The Reverend Brother doth but more and more winde himselfe into a lab erinth of errors while he endeavours to take away the distinction of the two fold Kingdome and the two fold Vicegerentship of God and of Christ The twelfth Heterodoxy followeth Now it is true that Christ being God as well as man hath of himselfe originally as God whatsoever he hath by vertue of gift as Mediator Maledicis pag. 13. Now subsume Christ hath by vertue of gift as Mediator the Priestly office Ergo By Master Colemans Principles Christ hath of himselfe originally as God the Priestly office And if Christ hath it of himselfe originally as God then the Father and the Holy Ghost hath it also so that by his Doctrine the Father and the Holy Ghost shall be the Priests of the Church as well as Christ for Christ hath nothing of himself originally as God which the Father and the Holy Ghost have not likewise The thirdteenth last errour concerneth the office of Deacons Not onely a Widow but a Deacon is denyed to be a Church-Officer or to have any warrant from Scripture I hold not a Widow a Church-Officer saith he no more doe I a Deacon both having a like foundation in Scripture which truly is none at all Maledicis pag. 9. If this was his opinion formerly why did he not in so maine a point enter his dissent from the Votes of the Assembly concerning Deacons together with his Reasons Well his opinion is so now whereby he runneth contrary not onely to the reformed Churches which it seemes weigh not much in his ballance but to the plaine Scripture which speakes of the Office of a Deacon 1 Tim. 3. 10. and this could be no civill Office but an Ecclesiasticall Office for the Deacons were chosen by the Church were ordained with Prayer and laying on of hands and their charge was to take speciall care of the poore all which is cleare Act. 6. If he had given us the grounds of his Opinion he should have heard more against it CHAP. V. The Prelaticall way and Tenents of Master Coleman and Master Hussey Repugnant also in divers particulars to the Votes and Ordinances of Parliament 1 MAster Coleman in his Re-examination page 14 makes the Parliament to be Church-Governours and Church-Officers to the whole Kingdome It was an Argument used against the Prelates that Ecclesiasticall and civill Government Spirituall and Secular administrations are inconsistent in the same Persons either of which requireth the whole man It was another exception against the Prelate that he assumed the power of Church-Government and Ecclesiasticall Jurisdiction over the whole Diocesse which was much more then he could discharge How will Master Coleman avoid the involving the Parliament into Prelaticall guiltinesse by his Principles which we avoyd by ours 2 The Prelates sought great things for themselves rather then to purge the Church of scandalls What other thing was it when Master Coleman in his third Rule instead of exhorting to the purging the Church called onely for learning and competency and told it out that this will get us an able Ministery and procure us honour enough Master Hussey in his Epistle to my selfe tells me that our attending on reading Exhortation and Doctrine without Government will obtaine the Magistrates love more honour more maintenance something for shame he behooved to adde of the punishing of sinne yet he will not have the Minister called from his Study to be troubled or to take any paines in Discipline but behold the love of the Magistrate more honour and more maintenance are strong ingredients in the Erastian Electuary 3 Master Hussey will have Ministers placed without any regard to the allowance or dis-all●wance of the people Epist. to the Parliament This is Prelaticall or rather more then Prelaticall 4 The Prelates were great enemies to ruling Elders So are Mr. Coleman and Mr. Hussey who acknowledge no warrant from the Word of God for