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A51043 The banders disbanded, or, An accurat discourse solidly and plainly demonstrating how inconvenient, scandalous & sinfull it is, in the present circumstances of the Church of Scotland, for ministers of Christ there that they may obtain a pretended liberty to preach and administer the Sacraments ... to give bond to their present rulers, that they shall live peaceably ... and so discovering clearly the great unfaithfulness of the affirmative vote of the late meeting of ministers at Edinburgh (anno 1679), concerning the lawfullness of giving the bond then presented by the councill ... McWard, Robert, 1633?-1687. 1681 (1681) Wing M230; ESTC R5172 58,793 54

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duty_n or_o reprove_v such_o sin_n as_o be_v in_o controversy_n between_o the_o presbyterian_o &_o the_o present_a erastian_n papistico-prelatick_a party_n such_o as_o these_o presbyterian_a point_n abovementioned_n but_o it_o be_v like_o some_o will_v say_v that_o his_o maj._n &_o council_n allow_v presb._n minister_n liberty_n to_o preach_v do_v eo_fw-la ipso_fw-la tolerat_fw-la &_o allow_v they_o to_o preach_v &_o pro●esse_v their_o presb._n principle_n and_o consequent_o that_o the_o councill_n sense_n of_o peaceable_a live_n be_v not_o to_o be_v interpret_v according_a to_o their_o former_a act_n and_o proc●amati●ns_n against_o conventicle_n which_o be_v n●w_o dispense_v with_o but_o accord_v to_o the_o presbyterian_n own_o sense_n thereof_o the_o strength_n of_o this_o objection_n seem_v to_o consist_v chief_a in_o these_o two_o 1._o because_o the_o law_n of_o the_o land_n be_v as_o direct_o &_o express_o against_o house-meeting_n simpliciter_fw-la as_o they_o be_v against_o 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make_v against_o many_o of_o the_o presbyterian_a principle_n or_o preach_v of_o they_o there_o be_v no_o such_o suspension_n as_o yet_o obtain_v neither_o do_v any_o of_o they_o reserve_v to_o the_o king_n such_o a_o power_n and_o so_o he_o can_v in_o law_n do_v it_o without_o a_o parliament_n but_o 3._o i_o suppose_v what_o may_v be_v say_v here_o as_o to_o presbyterian_a minister_n their_o liberty_n to_o preach_v their_o presbyterian_a principle_n the_o same_o may_v have_v be_v say_v also_o of_o the_o liberty_n grant_v by_o the_o former_a indulgence_n but_o it_o be_v well_o know_v that_o some_o presbyterian_a minister_n then_o indulge_v be_v process_v as_o rebel_n &_o traitor_n for_o preach_v their_o presbyterian_a principle_n particular_o mr._n william_n weir_n who_o for_o assert_v the_o obligation_n of_o the_o covenant_n &_o preach_v against_o the_o supremacy_n be_v turn_v out_o by_o the_o councill_n order_n 4._o since_o the_o proclamation_n for_o this_o new_a indulgence_n there_o 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judgement_n against_o they_o then_o any_o other_o person_n to_o threate●_n or_o abuse_v ●hem_fw-mi by_o external_a violence_n nor_o murmur_n against_o their_o judicature_n or_o officer_n and_o if_o but_o murmur_a must_v be_v so_o severe_o punish_v how_o much_o sharp_a punishment_n must_v be_v inflict_v upon_o they_o who_o public_o preach_v against_o these_o &_o testify_v against_o their_o enormity_n or_o shall_v make_v publish_v print●_n or_o disperse_v libel_n or_o pasquil_n these_o be_v the_o fore_a runner_n of_o all_o rebellion_n now_o by_o these_o libel_n &_o pasquil_n we_o can_v but_o understand_v chief_o such_o presbyterian_a principle_n as_o be_v emit_v to_o the_o public_a against_o prelacy_n perjury_n erastianisme_n etc._n etc._n so_o that_o hereby_o the_o preach_n of_o presbyterian_a principle_n in_o opposition_n to_o these_o will_v not_o be_v allow_v nor_o tolerate_v but_o 5._o &_o chief_o i_o will_v glad_o understand_v in_o what_o sense_n schism_n which_o minister_n by_o 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