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A64353 The creed of Mr. Hobbes examined in a feigned conference between him and a student in divinity. Tenison, Thomas, 1636-1715. 1670 (1670) Wing T691; ESTC R22090 155,031 274

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refuse_v to_o do_v it_o if_o he_o will_v it_o be_v therefore_o the_o action_n of_o one_o that_o be_v free_a see_v then_o the_o incorporeal_a soul_n of_o man_n be_v induce_v by_o persuasion_n and_o not_o compel_v by_o natural_a motion_n you_o may_v as_o soon_o convince_v i_o that_o every_o sufficient_a man_n as_o we_o be_v wont_n to_o call_v a_o wealthy_a person_n be_v therefore_o a_o dispenser_n of_o his_o good_n and_o a_o liberal_a man_n as_o that_o the_o immaterial_a soul_n be_v forthwith_o compel_v to_o act_n when_o all_o thing_n be_v present_a which_o be_v needful_a to_o the_o produce_v of_o the_o effect_n and_o all_o impediment_n be_v remove_v mr._n hobbes_n to_o say_v that_o a_o agent_n 73._o in_o such_o circumstance_n can_v nevertheless_o not_o produce_v the_o effect_n imply_v a_o contradiction_n and_o be_v nonsense_n be_v as_o much_o as_o to_o say_v the_o cause_n may_v be_v sufficient_a that_o be_v to_o say_v necessary_a and_o yet_o the_o effect_n shall_v not_o follow_v that_o all_o 77._o event_n have_v necessary_a cause_n have_v be_v prove_v already_o in_o that_o they_o have_v sufficient_a cause_n further_o let_v we_o in_o this_o place_n also_o suppose_v any_o event_n never_o so_o casual_a as_o the_o throw_v for_o example_n ames-ace_n upon_o a_o pair_n of_o dice_n and_o see_v if_o it_o must_v not_o have_v be_v necessary_a before_o it_o be_v throw_v for_o see_v it_o be_v throw_v it_o have_v a_o beginning_n and_o consequent_o a_o sufficient_a cause_n to_o produce_v it_o consist_v partly_o in_o the_o dice_n partly_o in_o outward_a thing_n as_o the_o posture_n of_o the_o part_n of_o the_o hand_n the_o measure_n of_o force_n apply_v by_o the_o caster_n the_o posture_n of_o the_o part_n of_o the_o table_n and_o the_o like_a in_o sum_n there_o be_v nothing_o want_v which_o be_v necessary_o requisite_a to_o the_o produce_v of_o that_o particular_a cast_n &_o consequent_o the_o cast_n be_v necessary_o throw_v for_o if_o it_o have_v not_o be_v throw_v there_o have_v want_v somewhat_o requisite_a to_o the_o throw_v of_o it_o and_o so_o the_o cause_n have_v not_o be_v sufficient_a stud._n here_o you_o make_v instance_n in_o a_o event_n result_v from_o circumstance_n of_o body_n and_o from_o physical_a motion_n in_o relation_n to_o which_o i_o have_v already_o grant_v that_o a_o sufficient_a be_v a_o efficient_a cause_n and_o declare_v the_o reason_n of_o it_o and_o how_o it_o touch_v not_o the_o present_a business_n but_o by_o this_o last_o answer_n i_o begin_v to_o understand_v that_o you_o obtrude_v a_o sophism_n upon_o i_o instead_o of_o a_o real_a argument_n for_o whilst_o you_o say_v that_o sufficient_a be_v the_o same_o which_o necessary_a and_o that_o if_o the_o cast_n have_v not_o be_v throw_v there_o be_v something_o want_v you_o include_v in_o your_o sufficient_a cause_n when_o you_o speak_v of_o man_n the_o very_a act_n of_o volition_n beside_o all_o the_o furniture_n prepare_v for_o that_o act_n and_o then_o your_o meaning_n amount_v to_o this_o that_o when_o there_o be_v each_o thing_n needful_a and_o no_o impediment_n and_o also_o a_o will_n to_o act_v the_o effect_n follow_v but_o here_o you_o beg_v the_o question_n which_o be_v this_o whether_o all_o thing_n requisite_a to_o action_n be_v present_a the_o will_n and_o act_n of_o volition_n except_v the_o soul_n have_v not_o a_o power_n to_o forbear_v that_o act_n and_o whilst_o you_o suppose_v a_o removal_n of_o impediment_n and_o the_o presence_n of_o all_o thing_n necessary_a and_o the_o act_n of_o the_o will_v also_o and_o then_o say_v the_o cause_n be_v sufficient_a and_o efficient_a too_o you_o say_v no_o more_o than_o that_o a_o man_n produce_v necessary_o a_o effect_n whilst_o he_o produce_v it_o which_o indeed_o be_v a_o truth_n for_o he_o can_v act_v and_o not_o act_v at_o the_o same_o time_n but_o in_o the_o present_a controversy_n it_o be_v a_o egregious_a impertinence_n for_o the_o necessity_n which_o you_o speak_v of_o be_v not_o in_o the_o will_n itself_o or_o in_o the_o effect_n but_o in_o that_o consequence_n which_o the_o mind_n creat_v by_o suppose_v that_o the_o will_n compli_v with_o the_o mean_n and_o that_o whilst_o it_o choose_v it_o can_v but_o choose_v wherefore_o this_o fallacy_n be_v like_a to_o they_o who_o say_v the_o will_n be_v necessary_o determine_v by_o the_o last_o act_n of_o the_o understanding_n meaning_n because_o it_o be_v the_o last_o they_o suppose_v the_o last_o act_n and_o that_o the_o will_n close_v with_o the_o understanding_n and_o then_o they_o say_v it_o follow_v upon_o necessity_n which_o be_v no_o more_o than_o to_o affirm_v that_o there_o be_v nothing_o late_a than_o the_o last_o and_o if_o i_o be_o not_o impose_v upon_o by_o my_o memory_n you_o somewhere_o argue_v 2d_o that_o the_o will_n be_v the_o last_o appetite_n in_o deliberate_v and_o that_o therefore_o though_o we_o say_v in_o common_a discourse_n a_o man_n have_v once_o a_o will_v to_o do_v a_o thing_n that_o nevertheless_o he_o forbear_v to_o do_v yet_o that_o be_v not_o proper_o a_o will_n because_o the_o action_n depend_v not_o of_o it_o but_o of_o the_o la●t_n inclination_n or_o appetite_n you_o suppose_v the_o will_n to_o be_v the_o last_o inclination_n and_o that_o therefore_o the_o action_n depend_v upon_o it_o because_o it_o be_v the_o last_o and_o than_o you_o call_v it_o sufficient_a and_o necessary_a when_o you_o have_v make_v it_o to_o be_v such_o not_o in_o its_o own_o nature_n but_o by_o the_o supposition_n frame_v in_o your_o own_o brain_n and_o thus_o you_o have_v make_v a_o great_a noise_n and_o kackle_n about_o sufficient_a and_o efficient_a whilst_o there_o be_v nothing_o here_o say_v by_o you_o which_o be_v not_o as_o insipid_a as_o the_o white_a of_o a_o egg._n but_o of_o that_o necessity_n which_o be_v say_v to_o compel_v the_o will_n of_o man_n enough_o let_v ●s_n consider_v that_o law_n which_o oblige_v it_o though_o not_o by_o force_n to_o action_n yet_o upon_o default_n to_o punishment_n and_o that_o we_o may_v proceed_v in_o order_n let_v our_o beginning_n be_v make_v at_o our_o seven_o head_n the_o law_n of_o nature_n that_o inward_a law_n in_o relation_n to_o which_o each_o man_n be_v a_o magistrate_n to_o himself_o erect_v a_o tribunal_n in_o his_o own_o breast_n mr._n hobbes_n there_o be_v 64._o right_a and_o also_o a_o law_n of_o nature_n the_o right_n of_o nature_n be_v the_o liberty_n each_o man_n have_v to_o use_v his_o own_o power_n as_o he_o will_v himself_o for_o the_o preservation_n of_o his_o own_o nature_n that_o be_v to_o say_v of_o his_o own_o life_n and_o consequent_o of_o do_v any_o thing_n which_o in_o his_o own_o judgement_n and_o reason_n he_o shall_v conceive_v to_o be_v the_o apt_a mean_n thereunto_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n be_v a_o precept_n or_o general_a rule_n find_v out_o by_o reason_n by_o which_o a_o man_n be_v forbid_v to_o do_v that_o which_o be_v destructive_a of_o his_o life_n or_o take_v away_o the_o mean_n of_o 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