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A42758 An assertion of the government of the Church of Scotland in the points of ruling-elders and of the authority of presbyteries and synods with a postscript in answer to a treatise lately published against presbyteriall government. Gillespie, George, 1613-1648. 1641 (1641) Wing G745; ESTC R16325 120,649 275

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the_o roman_n the_o jew_n be_v restrain_v we_o answer_v that_o beza_n the_o presbytery_n i._o b._n a._n c._n de_fw-fr polit_fw-la civil_a &_o eccl._n lib._n 2._o 8._o also_o zepperus_n junius_n piscator_fw-la wolphius_n godwin_n bucerus_n gerard_n and_o sundry_a other_o have_v right_o observe_v that_o the_o ecclesiastical_a sanedrim_n among_o the_o jew_n be_v distinct_a from_o the_o civil_a yet_o both_o call_v by_o the_o name_n of_o sanedrim_n we_o grant_v with_o beza_n that_o sometime_o civil_a cause_n be_v debate_v and_o determine_v in_o the_o ecclesiastical_a sanedrim_n but_o this_o be_v do_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d non_fw-fr 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d as_o he_o say_v the_o fact_n which_o be_v mere_o civil_a be_v judge_v in_o the_o ●ivill_a sanedrim_n but_o when_o the_o civil●_n judge_n can_v not_o agree_v de_fw-fr jure_fw-la even_o in_o civil_a cause_n in_o that_o case_n resolution_n be_v give_v by_o the_o other_o sanedrim_n as_o in_o like_a case_n by_o the_o 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know_v ho●_n to_o direct_v our_o course_n but_o shall_v certain_o either_o be_v swallow_v up_o in_o the_o wave_n of_o mighty_a difficulty_n or_o split_v ourselves_o upon_o hide_a rock_n of_o division_n our_o danger_n i_o hope_v be_v not_o so_o great_a as_o he_o do_v imagine_v for_o we_o hold_v that_o the_o particular_a eldership_n of_o several_a congregation_n have_v their_o own_o power_n and_o authority_n of_o church-government_n but_o with_o a_o subordination_n unto_o the_o common_a or_o great_a presbytery_n who_o power_n be_v superior_a and_o of_o a_o large_a extent_n first_o than_o we_o shall_v take_v into_o consideration_n the_o bound_n of_o the_o power_n of_o particular_a eldership_n and_o how_o the_o same_o may_v be_v say_v to_o be_v independent_a and_o how_o not_o for_o this_o purpose_n i_o shall_v give_v four_o distinction_n out_o of_o parker_n and_o to_o these_o i_o shall_v add_v other_o four_o of_o my_o own_o 20_o the_o first_o distinction_n be_v betwixt_o thing_n which_o be_v proper_a and_o peculiar_a to_o one_o congregation_n 〈…〉_z and_o thing_n which_o be_v common_a to_o many_o the_o former_a pertain_v to_o the_o particular_a eldership_n the_o latter_a to_o the_o common_a eldership_n whence_o it_o come_v that_o in_o scotland_n the_o case_n of_o ordination_n suspension_n deposition_n and_o excommunication_n be_v determine_v in_o the_o great_a presbytery_n because_o it_o do_v not_o concern_v one_o congregation_n alone_o but_o many_o who_o be_v take_v into_o the_o common_a presbytery_n and_o who_o be_v put_v out_o of_o the_o sam●_n neither_o do_v the_o excommunication_n of_o a_o sinner_n concern_v only_o one_o congregation_n but_o the_o neighbour_a congregation_n also_o among_o who_o as_o be_v to_o be_v common_o suppose_v the_o sinner_n do_v often_o haunt_v &_o converse_v cyprian_n speak_v of_o the_o admission_n of_o some_o who_o have_v fall_v and_o who_o have_v no_o recommendation_n from_o the_o martyr_n to_o be_v receive_v again_o refer_v the_o matter_n to_o a_o common_a meeting_n and_o his_o reason_n be_v because_o it_o be_v a_o common_a cause_n and_o do_v not_o concern_v a_o few_o nor_o one_o church_n only_o see_v lib._n 2._o ep._n 14._o the_o second_o distinction_n be_v betwixt_o congregation_n which_o have_v a_o competent_a and_o well-qualified_a eldership_n &_o small_a congregation_n who_o have_v but_o few_o office-bearer_n and_o those_o it_o may_v be_v not_o sufficient_o able_a for_o church-government_n in_o this_o case_n of_o insufficiency_n a_o congregation_n may_v not_o independent_o by_o itself_o exercise_v jurisdiction_n and_o not_o in_o re_fw-mi propria_fw-la say_v parker_n 3._o he_o distinguish_v betwixt_o the_o case_n of_o right_a administration_n and_o the_o case_n of_o aberration_n whatsoever_o liberty_n a_o congregation_n have_v in_o the_o former_a case_n sure_o in_o the_o latter_a it_o must_v needs_o be_v subject_a and_o subordinate_a if_o particular_a eldership_n do_v right_o manage_v their_o own_o matter_n of_o church-government_n the_o great_a presbytery_n shall_v not_o need_v for_o a_o long_a time_n it_o may_v be_v for_o some_o year_n to_o intermeddle_v in_o any_o of_o their_o matter_n which_o we_o know_v by_o experience_n in_o our_o own_o church_n 4._o he_o make_v a_o distinction_n betwixt_o the_o case_n of_o appellation_n and_o the_o case_n de_fw-fr nulla_fw-la administratione_fw-la mala_fw-la praesumpta_fw-la though_o the_o particular_a eldership_n have_v proceed_v aright_o though_o it_o consist_v of_o able_a and_o sufficient_a man_n and_o though_o it_o be_v in_o re_fw-mi propria_fw-la yet_o if_o one_o think_v himself_o wrong_v and_o so_o appeal_v then_o be_v it_o make_v obnoxious_a to_o a_o high_a consistory_n for_o say_v parker_n as_o the_o council_n of_o sardis_n ordain_v audience_n must_v not_o be_v deny_v to_o he_o who_o entreat_v for_o it_o 2._o so_o say_v zepperus_n speak_v of_o the_o same_o purpose_n cuivis_fw-la integrum_fw-la quoque_fw-la sit_fw-la ad_fw-la superiores_fw-la gradus_fw-la provocare_fw-la si_fw-la in_o inferioris_fw-la gradus_fw-la sententia_fw-la aut_fw-la decreto_fw-la aliquid_fw-la
desideret_fw-la 5._o add_v unto_o these_o a_o distinction_n betwixt_o a_o congregation_n lie_v alone_o in_o a_o island_n province_n or_o nation_n and_o a_o congregation_n border_v with_o sister_n church_n if_o either_o there_o be_v but_o one_o congregation_n in_o a_o kingdom_n or_o province_n or_o if_o there_o be_v many_o far_o distant_a one_o from_o another_o so_o that_o their_o pastor_n and_o elder_n can_v ordinary_o meet_v together_o then_o may_v a_o particular_a congregation_n do_v many_o thing_n by_o itself_o alone_o which_o it_o ought_v not_o to_o do_v where_o there_o be_v adjacent_a neighbour_a congregation_n together_o with_o which_o it_o may_v and_o shall_v have_v a_o common_a presbytery_n 6._o let_v we_o put_v a_o difference_n betwixt_o the_o subordination_n of_o one_o congregation_n to_o another_o or_o of_o over_o eldership_n to_o another_o and_o the_o subordination_n of_o any_o congregation_n and_o of_o the_o eldership_n thereof_o to_o a_o superior_a presbytery_n or_o 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to_o himself_o for_o the_o parish_n each_o for_o their_o own_o part_n and_o that_o alihe_v be_v this_o same_o presbytery_n and_o after_o consistorium_fw-la etc._n etc._n for_o the_o consistory_n of_o the_o cathedral_n church_n be_v a_o external_a meeting_n divers_a distinct_a and_o separate_a from_o the_o rural_a church_n which_o be_v no_o part_n thereof_o this_o can_v be_v say_v of_o the_o presbytery_n of_o geneva_n 7._o we_o must_v distinguish_v betwixt_o a_o dependence_n absolute_a and_o in_o some_o respect_n a_o congregation_n do_v absolute_o depend_v upon_o the_o holy_a scripture_n alone_o as_o the_o perfect_a rule_n of_o faith_n and_o manner_n of_o worship_n and_o of_o church-government_n for_o we_o accurse_v the_o tyranny_n of_o prelate_n who_o claim_v to_o themselves_o a_o autocratoricke_n power_n over_o congregation_n assemb_v to_o who_o they_o give_v their_o naked_a will_n for_o a_o law_n one_o of_o themselves_o tell_v a_o whole_a synod_n that_o they_o ought_v to_o esteem_v that_o best_a which_o seem_v so_o to_o superior_n and_o that_o this_o be_v a_o sufficient_a ground_n to_o the_o conscience_n for_o obey_v though_o the_o thing_n be_v inconvenient_a we_o say_v that_o congregation_n ought_v indeed_o to_o be_v subject_a to_o presbytery_n and_o synod_n yet_o not_o absolute_o but_o in_o the_o lord_n and_o in_o thing_n lawful_a and_o to_o this_o purpose_n the_o constitution_n of_o presbytery_n and_o synod_n be_v to_o be_v examine_v by_o the_o judgement_n of_o christian_a discretion_n for_o a_o synod_n be_v judex_n judicandus_fw-la and_o regula_n regulata_n so_o that_o it_o ought_v not_o to_o be_v blind_o obey_v whether_o the_o ordinance_n be_v convenient_a or_o inconvenient_a last_o of_o all_o we_o be_v to_o distinguish_v betwixt_o the_o condition_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n before_o the_o division_n of_o parish_n and_o the_o state_n of_o our_o church_n now_o after_o such_o division_n at_o the_o first_o when_o the_o multitude_n of_o christian_n in_o those_o great_a city_n of_o rome_n corinth_n ephesus_n etc._n etc._n be_v not_o divide_v into_o several_a parish_n the_o common_a presbytery_n in_o the_o city_n do_v suffice_v for_o the_o government_n of_o the_o whole_a and_o there_o be_v no_o need_n of_o a_o particular_a consistory_n of_o elder_n for_o every_o assembly_n and_o congregation_n of_o christian_n within_o the_o city_n except_o perhaps_o to_o admonish_v rebuke_n exhort_v or_o to_o take_v notice_n of_o such_o thing_n as_o be_v to_o be_v bring_v into_o the_o common_a presbytery_n but_o after_o that_o parish_n be_v divide_v and_o christian_a congregation_n plant_v in_o the_o rural_a village_n as_o well_o as_o in_o the_o city_n from_o henceforth_o it_o be_v necessary_a that_o every_o congregation_n shall_v have_v at_o hand_n within_o itself_o a_o certain_a consistory_n for_o some_o act_n of_o church-government_n though_o still_o those_o of_o great_a importance_n be_v reserve_v to_o the_o great_a presbytery_n and_o thus_o have_v i_o out_o of_o desire_n to_o avoid_v unnecessary_a question_n set_v down_o my_o conception_n concern_v the_o eldership_n of_o particular_a congregation_n and_o the_o power_n of_o the_o same_o if_o it_o be_v say_v that_o i_o seem_v to_o deny_v the_o divine_a right_n of_o the_o same_o or_o that_o they_o have_v any_o warrant_n from_o the_o pattern_n of_o the_o apostolic_a church_n i_o answer_v i_o acknowledge_v the_o conformity_n of_o the_o same_o with_o the_o pattern_n thus_o far_o 1._o it_o be_v to_o be_v suppose_v that_o in_o some_o small_a city_n especial_o the_o same_o not_o be_v whole_o convert_v to_o the_o christian_a faith_n there_o be_v but_o one_o christian_a congregation_n the_o eldership_n whereof_o do_v manage_v matter_n of_o jurisdiction_n proper_a thereto_o 2._o even_o in_o the_o great_a city_n at_o the_o first_o there_o be_v but_o one_o congregation_n of_o christian_n and_o so_o but_o one_o particular_a eldership_n 3._o after_o that_o the_o gospel_n have_v spread_v and_o christian_n be_v multiply_v in_o those_o great_a city_n it_o be_v true_a they_o be_v all_o govern_v by_o a_o common_a presbytery_n but_o that_o presbytery_n be_v not_o remote_a but_o ready_a at_o hand_n among_o themselves_o now_o in_o this_o we_o keep_v ourselves_o as_o close_a to_o the_o pattern_n as_o the_o alteration_n of_o the_o church_n condition_n by_o the_o division_n of_o parish_n will_v suffer_v we_o that_o be_v to_o say_v we_o have_v a_o common_a presbytery_n for_o govern_v the_o congregation_n within_o a_o convenient_a circuit_n but_o withal_o our_o congregation_n have_v ad_fw-la manum_fw-la among_o themselves_o a_o inferior_a eldership_n for_o lesser_a act_n of_o government_n though_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o distance_n of_o the_o seat_n of_o the_o common_a presbytery_n from_o sundry_a of_o our_o parish_n they_o can_v not_o have_v that_o ease_n and_o benefit_n of_o nearness_n which_o the_o apostolic_a church_n have_v yet_o by_o the_o particular_a eldership_n they_o have_v as_o great_a ease_n of_o this_o kind_n as_o convenient_o can_v be_v chap._n iii_o of_o great_a presbytery_n which_o some_o call_v class_n the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d presbytery_n we_o find_v thrice_o in_o the_o new_a testament_n twice_o of_o the_o jewish_a presbytery_n at_o jerusalem_n luke_n 22.66_o act._n 22.5_o and_o once_o of_o the_o christian_a presbytery_n 1._o tim._n 4.14_o neglect_v not_o the_o gift_n that_o be_v in_o thou_o which_o 〈◊〉_d give_v thou_o by_o prophecy_n 1.20_o with_o the_o lay_n on_o of_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o presbytery_n sutlivius_n and_o douname_n have_v borrow_v from_o bellarmine_n two_o false_a gloss_n upon_o this_o place_n they_o say_v by_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d here_o we_o may_v understand_v either_o a_o assembly_n of_o bishop_n or_o the_o office_n of_o a_o presbyter_n which_o be_v give_v to_o timothy_n 161._o to_o these_o absurdity_n let_v one_o of_o their_o own_o side_n answer_v whereas_o say_v d._n forbesse_n some_o have_v expound_v the_o presbytery_n in_o this_o place_n to_o be_v a_o company_n of_o bishop_n unless_o by_o bishop_n thou_o will_v understand_v simple_a presbyter_n it_o be_v a_o violent_a interpretation_n and_o a_o insolent_a meaning_n and_o whereas_o other_o have_v understand_v the_o degree_n itself_o of_o eldership_n this_o can_v not_o stand_v 1._o for_o the_o degree_n have_v not_o hand_n but_o hand_n be_v mens_fw-la i_o find_v in_o sutlivius_n a_o three_o gloss_n he_o say_v that_o the_o word_n presbytery_n in_o this_o place_n signify_v the_o minister_n of_o the_o word_n non_fw-la juris_fw-la vinculo_fw-la sed_fw-la ut_fw-la cunque_fw-la collectos_fw-la inter_fw-la quos_fw-la etiam_fw-la apostoli_fw-la erant_fw-la ans._n 1._o if_o so_o than_o the_o occasional_a meeting_n of_o minister_n be_v it_o in_o a_o journey_n or_o at_o a_o wedding_n or_o a_o burial_n etc._n etc._n shall_v all_o be_v presbytery_n for_o than_o they_o be_v ut_fw-la cunque_fw-la collecti_fw-la 2._o the_o apostle_n do_v put_v the_o church_n 〈◊〉_d better_a order_n then_o to_o leave_v imposition_n of_o hand_n or_o
any_o thing_n of_o that_o kind_n to_o the_o uncertainty_n of_o a_o occasional_a meeting_n 3_o the_o apostle_n be_v free_o present_a in_o any_o presbytery_n where_o they_o be_v for_o the_o time_n because_o the_o oversight_n and_o care_n of_o all_o the_o church_n be_v lay_v upon_o they_o pastor_n and_o elder_n be_v necessary_o present_a therein_o and_o do_v by_o virtue_n of_o their_o particular_a vocation_n meet_v together_o presbyterial_o whether_o a_o apostle_n be_v with_o they_o or_o not_o no_o other_o sense_n can_v the_o text_n suffer_v but_o that_o by_o presbytery_n we_o shall_v understand_v consessus_fw-la presbyterorum_fw-la a_o meeting_n of_o elder_n and_o so_o do_v camero_n and_o forbesse_n themselves_o expound_v it_o sutlivius_n object_v to_o the_o contrary_a that_o the_o apostle_n paul_n do_v lay_v on_o hand_n upon_o timothy_n which_o he_o prove_v both_o from_o 2._o tim._n 1._o and_o because_o extraordinary_a gift_n be_v give_v by_o that_o lay_n on_o of_o hand_n ans._n there_o be_v a_o express_a difference_n make_v betwixt_o paul_n lay_v on_o of_o his_o hand_n and_o the_o presbytery_n lay_v on_o of_o their_o hand_n of_o the_o former_a it_o be_v say_v that_o timothy_n receive_v the_o gift_n which_o be_v in_o he_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d by_o the_o lay_n on_o of_o paul_n hand_n but_o he_o receive_v the_o gift_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d with_o the_o lay_n on_o of_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o presbytery_n as_o didoclavius_n note_v but_o say_v sutlivius_n timothy_n be_v a_o evangelist_n as_o you_o hold_v how_o can_v he_o be_v ordain_v by_o the_o presbytery_n ans._n 1._o though_o the_o presbytery_n do_v neither_o give_v he_o ordination_n to_o be_v a_o evangelist_n nor_o yet_o confer_v by_o the_o lay_n on_o of_o their_o hand_n extraordinary_a gift_n upon_o he_o yet_o do_v they_o lie_v on_o their_o hand_n as_o set_v to_o the_o the_o seal_n and_o testimony_n and_o commend_v he_o to_o the_o grace_n of_o god_n even_o as_o certain_a prophet_n and_o teacher_n lay_v hand_n on_o paul_n and_o barnabas_n and_o ananias_n also_o before_o that_o time_n have_v lay_v his_o hand_n upon_o paul_n 2._o the_o presbytery_n may_v ordain_v timothy_n to_o be_v a_o elder_a if_o so_o be_v he_o be_v ordain_v a_o elder_a before_o he_o be_v ordain_v a_o evangelist_n 3._o if_o the_o testimony_n of_o the_o presbytery_n by_o the_o lay_n on_o of_o their_o hand_n together_o with_o the_o apostle_n hand_n in_o the_o extraordinary_a mission_n of_o timothy_n be_v require_v much_o more_o may_v it_o be_v put_v out_o of_o question_n that_o the_o apostle_n commit_v to_o the_o presbytery_n the_o full_a power_n of_o ordain_v ordinary_a minister_n but_o it_o be_v further_o object_v by_o sutlivius_n that_o this_o can_v not_o be_v such_o a_o presbytery_n as_o be_v among_o we_o because_o ordination_n and_o imposition_n of_o hand_n pertain_v to_o none_o but_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o word_n 8.10_o ans._n 1._o the_o child_n of_o israel_n lay_v their_o hand_n upon_o the_o levite_n &_o we_o will_v know_v his_o reason_n why_o he_o deny_v the_o like_a power_n to_o rule_v elder_n now_o especial_o since_o this_o imposition_n of_o hand_n be_v but_o a_o gesture_n of_o one_o pray_v and_o a_o moral_a sign_n declare_v the_o person_n pray_v for_o 2._o howsoever_o our_o practice_n wh●ch_n be_v also_o approve_a by_o good_a divine_n be_v 37._o to_o put_v a_o difference_n betwixt_o the_o act_n of_o ordination_n and_o the_o external_a right_n thereof_o which_o be_v imposition_n of_o hand_n ascribe_v the_o former_a to_o the_o whole_a presbytery_n both_o pastor_n and_o elder_n and_o reserve_v the_o latter_a to_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o word_n yet_o to_o be_v do_v in_o the_o name_n of_o all_o thus_o have_v we_o evince_v the_o apostle_n meaning_n when_o he_o speak_v of_o a_o presbytery_n and_o this_o consistory_n we_o find_v to_o have_v continue_v in_o the_o christian_a church_n in_o the_o age_n after_o the_o apostle_n it_o be_v certain_a that_o the_o ancient_a bishop_n have_v no_o power_n to_o judge_v any_o cause_n without_o the_o presence_n advice_n and_o counsel_n of_o their_o presbyter_n conc._n carth._n 4._o can_n 23._o field_n forbesse_n saravia_n and_o douname_n do_v all_o acknowledge_v that_o it_o be_v so_o and_o so_o do_v bellarmine_n de_fw-fr pont._n rom._n l._n 1._o c._n 8._o of_o this_o presbytery_n speak_v cyprian_a omni_fw-la actu_fw-la ad_fw-la i_o perlato_fw-la placuit_fw-la contrahi_fw-la presbyterium_fw-la etc._n etc._n of_o the_o presbytery_n speak_v the_o same_o cyprian_a lib._n 2._o ep._n 8._o &_o lib._n 4._o ep._n 5._o ignatius_n ad_fw-la trall_n and_o hierom_n in_o esa._n 3_o we_o find_v it_o also_o in_o conc_fw-fr ancyr_n can_v 18_o and_o in_o conc_fw-fr carthag_n 4._o can_n 35.40_o 254.255_o doctor_n forbesse_n allege_v that_o the_o word_n presbytery_n for_o fifteen_o hundred_o year_n after_o christ_n do_v signify_v no_o other_o thing_n in_o the_o church_n than_o a_o diocesan_n synod_n but_o herein_o if_o he_o have_v understand_v himself_o he_o speak_v not_o so_o much_o against_o presbytery_n as_o against_o prelate_n for_o a_o diocese_n of_o old_a be_v bound_v within_o one_o city_n 2._o tumque_fw-la jampridem_fw-la per_fw-la omnes_fw-la provincias_fw-la &_o per_fw-la urbes_fw-la singulas_fw-la ordinati_fw-la sint_fw-la episcopi_fw-la etc._n etc._n say_v cyprian_n it_o be_v necessary_a to_o ordain_v bishop_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 10._o say_v chrysostome_n speak_v of_o the_o primitive_a time_n yea_o in_o country_n village_n also_o be_v bishop_n who_o be_v call_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d that_o be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d rural_a bishop_n who_o episcopal_a office_n though_o limit_v yet_o be_v allow_v in_o the_o council_n of_o ancyra_n can_v 13._o and_o the_o council_n of_o antioch_n can_v 8._o &_o 10._o 4._o sozomen_n record_v that_o the_o village_n majuma_n which_o be_v sometime_o a_o suburb_n of_o the_o city_n gaza_n be_v not_o subject_a to_o the_o bishop_n of_o gaza_n but_o have_v its_o own_o proper_a bishop_n and_o that_o by_o the_o decree_n of_o a_o synod_n in_o palestina_n the_o council_n of_o sardis_n can_v 6._o and_o the_o council_n of_o laodicea_n can_v 57_o though_o they_o discharge_v the_o ordain_v of_o bishop_n in_o village_n lest_o the_o name_n of_o a_o bishop_n shall_v grow_v contemptible_a do_v nevertheless_o allow_v every_o city_n to_o have_v a_o bishop_n of_o its_o own_o what_o have_v doctor_n forbesse_n now_o gain_v by_o maintain_v that_o the_o bound_n of_o a_o presbytery_n and_o of_o a_o diocese_n be_v all_o one_o they_o in_o the_o netherl●nds_n sometime_o call_v their_o presbytery_n diocaeses_n 100.101_o and_o many_o of_o our_o presbytery_n be_v great_a than_o be_v diocese_n of_o old_a we_o conclude_v there_o be_v ancient_o a_o presbytery_n in_o every_o city_n which_o do_v indeed_o choose_v one_o of_o their_o number_n to_o preside_v among_o they_o and_o to_o lay_v on_o hand_n in_o name_n of_o the_o rest_n and_o he_o be_v call_v the_o bishop_n wherein_o they_o do_v more_o trust_n the_o deceivable_a goodness_n of_o their_o own_o intention_n then_o advert_v to_o the_o rule_n of_o the_o word_n of_o god_n these_o thing_n premit_v i_o come_v now_o to_o that_o which_o be_v principal_o intend_v viz._n by_o what_o warrant_n and_o qu●_n jure_v the_o classical_a presbytery_n among_o we_o make_v up_o out_o of_o many_o neighbour_a congregation_n shall_v be_v the_o ordinary_a court_n of_o ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n at_o least_o in_o all_o matter_n of_o high_a importance_n which_o do_v concern_v either_o all_o or_o any_o of_o those_o congregation_n for_o resolution_n hereof_o we_o must_v understand_v 1._o that_o cause_v common_a to_o many_o congregation_n ought_v not_o to_o be_v judge_v by_o any_o one_o of_o they_o but_o by_o the_o great_a presbytery_n common_a to_o they_o all_o 2._o it_o be_v to_o be_v suppose_v that_o particular_a congregation_n at_o least_o the_o far_o great_a part_n of_o they_o have_v not_o in_o their_o proper_a eldership_n so_o many_o man_n of_o sufficient_a ability_n as_o be_v requisite_a in_o judge_v and_o determine_v the_o case_n of_o the_o examination_n of_o minister_n of_o ordination_n deposition_n excommunication_n and_o the_o like_a 3._o when_o one_o appeal_v from_o a_o particular_a eldership_n out_o of_o persuasion_n that_o he_o be_v wrong_v by_o the_o sentence_n thereof_o or_o when_o that_o eldership_n find_v its_o own_o insufficiency_n for_o determine_v some_o difficult_a cause_n resolve_v to_o refer_v the_o same_o into_o a_o high_a court_n reason_n will_v that_o there_o shall_v be_v a_o ordinary_a court_n of_o a_o classical_a presbytery_n to_o receive_v such_o appellation_n or_o reference_n 4._o congregation_n which_o lie_v near_o together_o ought_v all_o as_o one_o to_o keep_v unity_n and_o conformity_n in_o church_n policy_n and_o government_n neither_o ought_v one_o of_o they_o be_v permit_v to_o do_v a_o
the_o lord_n and_o the_o name_n of_o the_o twelve_o tribe_n upon_o the_o breastplate_n this_o prove_v not_o a_o church_n representative_a but_o sign_n representative_a 5._o the_o body_n of_o the_o church_n be_v now_o as_o then_o necessary_o absent_a from_o the_o consistorial_n action_n of_o debate_v and_o decide_v matter_n of_o church_n government_n and_o of_o jurisdiction_n and_o so_o that_o which_o be_v call_v the_o foundation_n of_o a_o representative_a church_n do_v still_o remain_v now_o before_o i_o make_v a_o end_n i_o must_v answer_v yet_o other_o two_o objection_n which_o have_v be_v late_o make_v 57.58_o there_o be_v one_o who_o object_v that_o the_o assembly_n of_o the_o apostle_n act_n 15._o can_v be_v no_o precedent_n nor_o pattern_n for_o succeed_a age_n first_o because_o the_o apostle_n be_v inspire_v with_o the_o holy_a ghost_n which_o whole_o guide_v they_o in_o all_o matter_n of_o the_o church_n so_o as_o in_o that_o their_o determination_n they_o say_v express_o 15.28_o it_o seem_v good_a to_o the_o holy_a ghost_n and_o to_o we_o to_o lay_v upon_o you_o no_o great_a burden_n now_o what_o synod_n in_o any_o age_n after_o the_o apostle_n can_v ever_o say_v that_o they_o be_v infallible_o inspire_v and_o assist_v by_o the_o holy_a ghost_n second_o that_o injunction_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n and_o of_o the_o apostle_n be_v but_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d for_o that_o present_a time_n for_o the_o avoid_n of_o offence_n between_o jew_n and_o gentile_n but_o the_o like_a we_o read_v not_o afterward_o in_o all_o the_o write_n of_o the_o apostle_n ans._n 1._o i_o say_v with_o whittaker_n posse_fw-la alia_fw-la etc._n etc._n that_o other_o lawful_a counsel_n may_v in_o like_a manner_n affirm_v their_o decree_n to_o be_v the_o decree_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n 6._o if_o they_o be_v like_a unto_o this_o council_n and_o if_o they_o keep_v the_o same_o rule_n which_o the_o apostle_n do_v keep_v and_o follow_v in_o this_o council_n for_o if_o they_o 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say_v it_o seem_v good_a to_o the_o holy_a ghost_n and_o to_o we_o what_o the_o elder_n do_v then_o the_o elder_n may_v do_v now_o for_o time_n have_v not_o diminish_v their_o authority_n 4._o nay_o what_o the_o apostle_n do_v in_o that_o synod_n the_o elder_n may_v do_v in_o a_o synod_n now_o for_o the_o apostle_n than_o do_v nothing_o but_o in_o the_o ordinary_a and_o common_a way_n of_o dispute_v and_o debate_v compare_v reason_n with_o reason_n and_o sentence_n with_o sentence_n and_o thereafter_o frame_v the_o decree_n according_a to_o the_o light_n which_o they_o have_v by_o reason_v and_o by_o search_v the_o scripture_n but_o which_o be_v most_o observable_a the_o sentence_n of_o the_o apostle_n peter_n in_o that_o synod_n be_v very_o imperfect_a and_o defective_a for_o he_o only_o dissuade_v from_o impose_v the_o yoke_n of_o the_o ceremonial_a law_n upon_o the_o church_n of_o the_o gentile_n but_o make_v no_o mention_n of_o any_o overture_n for_o avoid_v the_o offence_n 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