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138._o peter_n martyr_n in_o 1_o king_n 12._o verse_n 31._o pet._n mart._n com._n loc._n the_o idol_n in_o praeâ—…_n l._n 1._o john_n 2.15_o 16._o conc._n miliv_n can._n 12._o tertull._n apol._n cap._n 30._o vid._n chemnit_fw-la ex._n de_fw-fr innoc._n sanctorum_fw-la vid._n birth_n of_o heresy_n out_o of_o elasopolitans_n comment_n pet._n mart._n loc_n â—…om_n the_o idol_n whit._n de_fw-fr eccle._n 1_o cor._n 15.47_o vid._n brightm_n an._n in_o loc._n cypr._n lib._n 3._o epist_n 13._o cypr._n lib._n 4._o epist_n 7._o 7._o right_o of_o presbyt_fw-la pag._n 482._o page_n 22._o page_n 68_o tertul._n lib._n 4._o com._n mar._n mar._n calvin_n epist_n 332._o chamier_n de_fw-fr euchar_n cap._n 13._o reply_v to_o the_o second_o consideration_n of_o the_o answer_n pet_n mart._n de_fw-fr excom_n loc._n com._n com._n official_a lib._n 1._o cap._n 6.7_o rev._n 2.2_o and_o 3.9_o act_n 2_o 38.8_o â—…7_n 19_o 17_o 18_o â—…_n cham_fw-mi de_fw-fr bap._n lib._n 5._o cap._n 1â—…_n
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