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A36115 A discourse upon questions in debate between the King and Parliament. With certaine observations collected out of a treatise called, The diffrence between Christian subjection, and unchristian rebellion. Bilson, Thomas, 1546 or 7-1616. True difference betweene Christian subjection and unchristian rebellion. 1643 (1643) Wing D1625; ESTC R14262 15,515 16

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the punishment of Delinquents and conservation of the peace and Liberty of the Subject they had never risen up into so high requests but take the Argument at the best it followes not that the Parliament intends to assume Soveragne Authority because when Ireland is in Rebellion England in combustion Scotland scarce quieted France and Spaine in Armes they do humbly supplicate his Majesty to entrust for a short and limited time the Militia under the commands of persons of Honour that the Lords and Commons those whose blood and es●a●es must defend the State may repose saith in yet this is not to be granted and the feares and jealousies of his Majesties best Kingdome and most obedient Subjects held so unworthy of any regard or satisfaction that they are esteemed and so published for frivolous and false pretended meerly to obtain an unjust purchase out of the Kings prerogative For the nomination of prime Officers Councellours and Judges I presume that request results out of the precedent misgovernment and is intended onely for this time And peradventure the temper will be better for the people that the King being once invironed with a wise and religious Councell appoint Judges and publique Officers whom the people may if there be cause accuse and the Parliament judge nor would this branch of the Kings prerogative been reached at by the people if the Judges who ought to be conservators of the Lawes● had not been the destroyers If the counsell of a few even in Parliament time had not involved the whole state in a common calamity and contested with the Grand Counsell of the Kingdome assuming to t●emselves more zealous affection to his Majesty a greater care of the Common-wealth and a better di●cerning what was necessary and fit for both Yet the election of publike Officers is not without president in the times of former Kings But I would not have those Kings presidents to his Majesty that such demands may not be president to us Concerning the perpetuall Dictatorship of the Parliament It may be deman●ed● why is the work prolonged by them who aske why are you so long at worke why are Delinquents protected by what meanes are difficulties objected How comes t●is Rebellion in Ireland why doth the Parliament spe●d time in providing for their own safety which ought to be spent in redresse of publique disorders and vindication of the Subjects from oppression doe they pretend feare because they would rule Let his Majesty render those feares apparently false and concur more hartily than they in securing the Kingdome Let him grant Commissions for Ireland let him grant guards for the Parliament as well to secure their feare as their danger Why should his Majesty confirme their feares by discharging their Guards and attemping their persons If he know them to be safe● let them know it also or confute their fear to the understanding of the whole Kingdome by granting their owne wayes of security the next way to dete●t those apparitions of feare if they be false And when the Religion of our Church is vindicated The vigour of our Lawes renewed A Guard of strength and terror provided for their future preservation The Rebellion in Ireland quelled His Majesties revenue examined and repaired particular Delinquents punished The Court of Justice reformed The banks founded by the industry of our Ancesters with so much blood and treasure against the inundations of the prerogative or malignity of private counsels repai●ed and better fortified then let us see what pretence will be made for continuation of the Session still The English Nation will not doubtlesse sell their birth-right for a messe of pottage Nor chang the government of a Prince time nor story remembring any other in these Kingdomes of extraction so i●lustrious of a title so indubitable to be ruled by their equall peradventure inferiour neighbours To that allegation that this assembly is no Parliament in the Kings absence if it be understood when he is not present● it is an opinion so ancient as since his Majesty left the Parliament for before I am perswade● it was never heard of And it must follow thereupon as hath been answered ●efore that by the accedentall absence of the prince● or in sickne●●es that induce stupifaction or in the first degrees of infancy when the pow●● of the reasonable soul have no latitude of operation the state may be left without means to preserve it self which is a great obsurditie to think But if by the Kings absence be undestood the want of his voluntary concurrence in confirmation of the Acts and Ordinances of both houses and that in such cases they are no Parliament it may well be doubted if they have bin any Parliament during this Session For the acts that have passed his Royall ascent so much amplified in his late declarations to the people are shrodely suspected to be with no great good liking of his Majestie I am sure if they were voluntary they were not exhibited with due circumstances for through that opinion his Majestie hath lost much of the thanks due for such transcendent graces which no Prince or inferior person ought in discretion to loose However that both houses legally convened and authorised to sit do not by the Kings absence loose the essence and denomination of a Parliament appears by presidents of former times when in the absence of a Prince further distant in body then his Majestie is in minde I hope the estates have assembled themselves which is a little higher then was yet in dispute have administred oathes of fealtie to the subject have named officers for publique services and as well to superintend the peace of the Kingdom as the revenue of the King And though there was not nor is any law authorising the assembling of a parliament in such a case yet was the legallity of that parliament never questioned nor will of any other upon the same or the like occasion when the matter to be treated on is the peace and safety of the Kingdome whether the King be absent in body or minde it changes not the question much But which is a short answer to all that can be said is that by an Act of all the estates this Parliament is not disolveable but by an Act of all the estates therefore a Parliament untill that Act be passed To the other part of the allegation that Major part of both Houses have left the rest and are gone over to the King It may be demanded why doth not then his Majesty send them up to adjourn the Parliament to Oxford or Cambridge are they so fearfull of the Aprentizes of London that they dare not appear to do his Majestie so great a service by shouting a yea or no in the house of Commons how willingly would they adventure a battell that refuse to speak a word in a croud Truly it were the way to put an end to all the controversie to reverse with ease the acts that have given so great cause of