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A55712	The present state of Christendom consider'd in nine dialogues between I. The present Pope Alexander the VIII. and Lewis the XIV. II. The great Duke of Tuscany, and the Duke of Savoy. III. King James the Second, and the Marescal de la Feuillade. IV. The Duke of Lorrain, and the Duke of Schomberg. V. The Duke of Lorrain, and the Elector Palatine. VI. Louis the XIV. and the Marquis de Louvois. VII. The Advoyer of Berne, and the Chief Syndic of Geneva. VIII. Cardinal Ottoboni, and the Duke de Chaulnes. IX. The young Prince Abafti, and Count Teckely. Done out of French.	Alexander VIII, Pope, 1610-1691.; Louis XIV, King of France, 1638-1715.	1691 (1691)	Wing P3259A; ESTC R203184	56,532	108

of Satisfaction to the Catholick Princes and if you 'll be pleased to give me the hearing I will tell you in a few words what I think upon this Subject Cardinal I shall listen to you with a great deal of satisfaction Duke To begin then where you left off I don't believe the King will ever be prevailed upon to comply with the Duke of Savoy's Pretensions 'T is a long while ago since he has had Pignerol in possession and besides that is a place of too great Consequence to be given away As for Casal you know it has cost him a world of Money 't is true his Money may be repaid him but I question whether he will be brought to take it since he has more occasion for that Fortress than for Money Thus all that can be done in the matter comes to this the Duke perhaps may be re-instated in the possession of all those places that have been taken from him since the beginning of the War Cardinal But cannot the King be at least perswaded to give him that small satisfaction as to let Geneva fall into his Hands His Holiness earnestly desires such a thing you know Duke I am not acquainted with his Majesties Pleasure upon that Article But to tell you what I think the King is so mightily displeased with the Dukes late behaviour that I doubt whether he will give him that satisfaction However if 't is possible to make him amends with something else of equal Importance I believe it may succeed at last provided it will give no great Offence to the Suiss Cantons And now in my Op●n●on this is all that can be done to content the Duke of Savoy As for the Dukes of Lorrain 't is to no purpose to think of them for nothing but absolute Force will oblige the King to make a Restitution of that Dukedom Besides that their Country lies so conveniently for France the former Dukes of Lorrain have given such just re-iterated Provocations to the most Christian Kings that they would fill a large Volume Now who questions but that little Princes are obliged to pay all manner of Respect to great Princes who are their Neighbours and that we may lawfully dispossess them of their Territories when for want of a due submission they offer to insult over us and pretend to stand upon even ground Cardinal The Dukes of Lorrain are Soveraigns born and were always looked upon as Independant Princes They were at liberty to make Alliances with whom they pleased And 't is very unjustly done of the Kings of France to quarrel with these Dukes for preferring the Emperour's Interests before theirs Duke They are not only content to unite themselves with th● Enemies of France but always endeavoured to raise Civil Wars in that Kingdom by supporting and countenancing all the Male-contents But let this pass when they did nothing else but take the House of Austria's part against France that was sufficient to justifie the Conduct of the most Christian Kings as to this respect 'T is not for one of your petty Princes to engage himself in any Party unless he 's constrained to do it through Violence and when he ceases to observe an exact Neutrality 't is not without Justice that he 's punished by him whom he abandons Cardinal I am not fully convinced of the Righteousness of these Maxims But in a word is there no way in the World to satisfie these young Princes Duke There was formerly a Proposal made to make them amends in Money on this Condition that they would for ever renounce all manner of Pretensions to the Dukedom of Lorrain I don't know whether the King is in the Humour now to gratifie them that way But however there 's no great harm in proposing it Cardinal Well then let us now come to the King of Spain's Case if you please Duke As for what relates to the Franche-Comte 't is a Spot of Ground so far separated from the other Provinces of Spain and stands so prettily for the convenience of France that I believe the King my Master will never be content to part with it The same may be said concerning the Dutchy of Luxemburgh which we coveted so long a time 'T is an Estate of so great an Importance as well for guarding our Frontiers as opening a Passage into Germany that nothing but Force can get it out of our Hands As for what concerns the Low-Countries may be better accommodated and in order to settle a lasting Peace we may well enough consent to the demolishing of some places that chiefly incommode the Spaniards Cardinal But what will you do with the Electors Duke The Elector of Bavaria ought not to demand any Satisfaction since he has not been injured As for the Elector Palatine perhaps the King to comfort him under his Disgraces may release all the Pretensions of Madam to her Father's and Brother's Estate Cardinal I must needs own this is a pretty way of making a man amends You have ruined his whole Country demolished his Episcopal Palace dismantled his Fortifications burnt his Towns turned his whole Estate into one continued Desart And now to make him a Recompence for all this you ●ery generously offer to relinquish those Rights that were under dispute and perhaps were none of the best grounded in all the World Duke For my part I don't believe the King will do any more for him As for the Ecclesiastical Electors all they can lawfully pretend to is to have their Estates restored them in the Condition they are in And yet a great deal may be said with regard to the Electorate of Cologne which as we pretend does of right belong to the Cardinal de Furstemberg But it may be in favour of the Duke of Bavaria the King will pass over that Difficulty well enough Cardinal It now remains for us to discourse of the Emperour's Interests Duke The Emperour has no reason to complain as to his own particular This War has innovated nothing with respect to him unless you have a mind to trump Philipsburgh upon us and yet that place does not of right belong to him but to the Bishop of Spire Nevertheless I believe that one may still prevail with the King so far as to have this place restored to its lawful Prince and have Friburg demolished As for the rest you are not to imagine that the King for the sake of making a Peace will ever consent to surrender up those places that were given him in former Treaties Cardinal Is it possible then that these are all the Advances the King of France is willing to make in Case the Catholick Princes are resolved to make a separate Peace with him and not comprehend the Protestants in it Duke What I have said is only out of my own Head and I am not certain whether the King would approve of it or no. Our great Monarch is strong enough to give a great deal of Disturbance to his Enemies and nothing will sooner oblige him

time reject the mediation of those Princes who are not engaged in the War and who declare their Inclinations to procure it Duke The King my Master has never refused to listen to such a Proposal But 't is worth your while to observe that the Enemies who have declared War against him are of two sorts One is composed of Catholicks the other of Protestants Now the best way to procure a Peace is to divide these two Interests and to oblige the Catholicks to agree with France and unite themselves in a strict League with her in order to reduce or destroy all the Heretick Princes Cardinal That Consideration of yours is not amiss and I dare engage that this Holiness never examined your Advice well enough to conceive that that was the bottom of your Design You may believe that no body desires the Suppression of Heresie more passionately than my self and if it would cost me the better half of my Blood to put it in Execution I would part with it very freely But Sir you must give me leave to tell you that this Design is no sooner conceived but a man may see t is impossible to effect it at least as the World goes now and therefore that is the reason I abandon it Duke Why do you say 't is impossible In my Opinion now nothing appears more feasible The more Interests you have to manage the more difficult you 'll find it to conclude a Treaty and I dare say 't is a harder matter to conclude a Peace amongst all the Christian Princes than a particular Peace with the Catholick Princes Cardinal What you say is true in the general but there are abundance of particular Occasions where 't is an easier matter to adjust several Interests than to accommodate a few The first and principal Obstacle to the Design you have proposed is this I question whether the Protestant Princes who are wise and politick enough did not take some secret Measures that are unknown to us at the time when they made a League against France in case they should ever happen to be deserted and abandoned by the Catholick Princes Duke For my part I don't know what Measures they could take but it appears to me they are not able to think of one Expedient that can prevent this Inconvenience In short we don't see that so much as one of the Catholick Princes has surrendred any strong Place to the Protestants by way of Security for what they promised and I am inclined to believe they have given no other Assurance but their bare Word Cardinal Supposing what you say were true yet still 't will be a difficult matter to break the Union The Emperour who is Head of the Catholick Princes is too religious an Observer of his Word ever to be induced to violate it and you know he has solemnly promised not to make a Peace until they are comprehended in it Duke He has engaged his word you say and what of all that As if such feeble Obligations did not always give way to the Interest or as if Interest were not able to surmount all other Considerations Come come you may take my word for it if ever the Emperour finds his Account in a particular separate Peace he 'll make no Conscience of leaving the Protestant Princes in the lurch Cardinal You discourse now like a Minister of France and I am not at all obliged to believe you But not to engage in any impertinent Disputes that will never come to an end I will content my self to offer you one only Reason which to me seems unanswerable why 't is impossible to disengage the Catholick Princes from the Protestants in order to make a particular Peace with the first And 't is this That if you except the Interests of the Prince of Orange the other Princes of that Religion have nothing in a manner to adjust with France and so it would be no hard matter to incline them to a Peace On the contrary the Catholick Princes have the justest Pretensions in the World against the King your Master and such too that he will find it a very severe Mortification to satisfie The Hollanders only demand Liberty of Commerce the Brandenburgh desires nothing but the Security of his Dutchy of Cleve The Princes of Luneburgh and Hesse have scarce any other Motive to the War but the common Interest of the Empire 'T is the same Case with the Elector of Saxony and the rest of the Protestant Princes But then as for the Catholick Princes the Emperour demands the Restitution of Philipsburg Brisgau and almost all Alsatia The King of Spain puts in for the Dutchy of Luxemburgh for all the late Acquisitions in Flanders for the Franche-Comte Perignan and several other considerable places besides The Princes of Lorrain demand to be restored to their Dukedom the Elector Palatine to have satisfaction made him for all the Damages he has sustained in the War which you know will amount to an infinite Sum. The three Ecclesiastick Electors pretend the very same thing The Duke of Savoy demands to have Casal demolished and Pignerol restored to him besides all that has been taken from him of late Thus you see 't is a far easier thing for the most Christian King to make a particular Peace with the Protestant Princes than with the Catholick Duke I own that if all these Princes whom you have mentioned continued firm to their Resolutions there 's no such thing as a Peace to be expected The King my Master is not in the humour to restore so easily all that he has taken from his Enemies and I don't see at present how they will be able to regain them by force But Sir now we are between our selves do you think that these Pretensions are just You know without question that the most celebrated Lawyers have always placed the right of Conquest amongst lawful Rights whence it follows that a man is not constantly obliged to restore that which he has conquered by way of force but may still keep it in his hands if he so pleases and justly enough Therefore I don't see by what right they would have the King refund what he has taken Cardinal What you say is certainly true provided the Conquests you make were done during the Course of a lawful War But now these persons pretend that Lewis the Fourteenth did unjustly declare War against his Neighbours only to have a better opportunity of plundering them Duke That is the chief Question indeed but 't is such a difficult perplext Question that it will require a great deal of trouble to decide it I am not a fit man to engage in the Controversie but this I will say One invincible Argument to me that part of the King's Conquests were made in the Course of a lawful War is because they were totally yielded up to him in subsequent Treaties Nevertheless to secure the Repose of Christendom the most Christian King would do well to resolve to make some kind

to conclude a Peace than that he believes it will be far more necessary and advantageous for them than for himself Cardinal Upon my word if that be all you need not give your self the trouble to enter into any Negotiation The Catholick Princes that are leagued together have too certain a prospect of advancing their own respective Interests to content themselves with such pitiful Overtures Duke I see you make no reckoning of the Advantage they 'll receive by uniting themselves with the King to exterminate the Protestant Princes and divide the Spoil between them Cardinal One must be a very insensible person indeed to be cajoled with stupid Rhetorick The Protestant Princes are at present the right Arm of the Emperour to defend him against the Encroachments of your King How then can he be perswaded to sacrifice them I wish you would inform me what the House of Austria were able to do without the Assistance of the Prince of Orange the Hollanders the Electors and other Protestant Princes Don't they sustain the greatest part of the Burthen of the War and since with all these Forces she finds it difficult enough to resist your King what would she do I pray if she were deprived of all these Supports Duke But if the Hereticks were once destroyed the House of Austria would enrich herself with their Spoils and all their Forces would become hers Cardinal That would not be amiss I own if she were to reap all the benefit but would not your King do you think come in for his share of the Spoils Is it not very certain that being the strongest by much he would reserve the Lion's Portion for himself And so then when the House of Austria would fortifie her self on one side your King would do the same on the other in such manner that this new acquired Power would be ten times worse ballanced than it is at present After all when every thing comes to be considered 't is the Emperour's Interest not to suffer the Protestants to be run down at least under the present Exigences If that House should find it self in process of time as powerful as it has formerly been why then she may think of Extirpating Heresie But then 't is to be feared the Hereticks also would change sides and that in order to keep the Scales even they would make their Applications to France Therefore you must never think of separating the Catholick Princes from the Protestants with whom they have made so strict a Confederacy But now to procure a general Peace what expedient can you find out to adjust the Affairs of England Duke This is without dispute the most difficult Point of all and I don't see how we could at the same time satisfie the King my Master and the Allies upon this Article if a particular Peace with the Catholick Princes were proposed Cardinal You say right 't is indeed very perplexed and is more embarrassing of it self than all the Pretensions of the other Princes the Allies 'T is not to be supposed that the Prince of Orange has a mind to descend from the Throne to which he was so deservedly elevated He must either perish in the Post where he is or maintain it still There is no middle way The Church and Catholick Princes would be covered with everlasting shame should they abandon a King who sacrificed himself for their common Liberty How then can this matter be accommodated I only see one way and that is to oblige the King of England to Abdicate his Crown voluntarily He has a Prince of Wales still to manage his Interests after him Duke I can assure you the King will never abandon his Allie and if a Peace is not to be obtained without sacrificing that unfortunate Prince he will by no means agree to it He has too great a respect for his own Honour to make so inglorious and so base a Compliance Cardinal You had better say for his Interest for all the World knows he never was guilty of Idolatry towards the former I can only add That 't is not along of him that the King of England was not established in his Throne but one cannot condemn in the same Breath the Levity of a Nation that had not courage enough to support their lawful Prince and the Cowardize of a Prince who durst not show himself before his Enemies Duke All these Reasons will not content Louis le Grand and all these Obstacles are not capable of diminishing his Courage The more the pain the greater is the glory Heroick Souls despise the Paths of Ease And dangers only whet the edge of Virtue Moliere l'Etourdi I dare pretend to Prophecy that you 'll see the next Campagn greater Efforts used to re-establish the King of England than hitherto you have seen If the Prince of Orange does not make a vigorous Opposition we shall send towards the beginning of the Spring either into England or Ireland Thirty thousand of our best Men to be commanded by a Marshal of France or some other General who has more Authority and Experience than the Count de Lauzun Cardinal Nay if it be so 't is to no purpose to think of setling a Peace in Europe Things are not yet ripe enough nor are Mens spirits so weary of the War as to desire rest so soon Duke I am clearly of your Opinion DIALOGUE IX The young Prince Abafti Count Teckely Abafti IS it then true that after all the Obligations you had to the Prince my Father you could be so horribly ungrateful as to enter those Territories which he left me with your Army to the end that you may render your self Master of them to my Prejudice Surely you have not forgot how serviceable he was to you at the beginning of the War when you declared against the Emperour of Germany You had as free a Command of his Troops as if they had been your own and perhaps if he had not espoused your Quarrel you would not be in a Condition at this present to seize that Principality which of right belongs to me Teckely You are much mistaken young Prince in talking so hotly with me and I would Answer you after your own manner if I did not consider that 't is not so much you that Discourses as the Germans in you upon whom you have made your self so slavish a Dependant You need not refresh my memory with the good Offices your Father has done me and though the end did not Answer the beginning since at last he closed with my Enemies and joyned his Forces with theirs yet I shall ever preserve the remembrance of his mighty Obligations because I am willing to attribute his last Failures rather to the violence of the Germans and meer necessity then his own Inclination If I have entred Transilvania in Arms 't is not so much against you as the Emperour for he is the true Master of that Province you are only a poor Titular Prince Besides you know the Grand Seigneur