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A62249 The dew of Hermon which fell upon the hill of Sion, or, An answer to a book entituled, Sions groans for her distressed, &c. offered to the King's Majesty, Parliament, and people wherein is pretended to be proved by Scripture, reason, and authority of fifteen ancients, that equal protection under different perswasions, is the undoubted right of Christian liberty : but hereby confuted, wherein the power and proceedings of the Kings Majesty and the church are vindicated. H. S. (Henry Savage), 1604?-1672. 1663 (1663) Wing S760; ESTC R34021 70,693 96

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Church in the close of the seventeenth Article which is That Gods promises are to be received not to curious disputes but as they are generally set forth in the Scripture and in our doings that will of God is to be followed which we have expresly declared unto us in the Word of God And as for the Emperours and Duke of Savoy's tolerations together with that of Polonia and Rome it self alledged here for their defence I say it is one thing what they did upon State policy and another thing what they would have done had they not been under a necessity of doing it The King of Spain has made a peace with the Hollander notwithstanding his claim he makes to the Low Countries why because he has irons enough in the fire elsewhere The case was so with Ferdinand of Germany Emanuel of Savoy the State of Poland the Emperours of Rome a necessity lying upon them to do as they did but by the way I must tell you that there were Laws made against the Novatians before Justinian's time witness that before quoted out of the Code which was enacted by Theodosius and Valentinian against that rabble of Hereticks whereof the Novatians were a part and even that Law refers to others formerly made particularly against their Conventicles which they falsly called Churches Neither did the others want Laws against a liberty of Religion though they thought it necessary to tolerate it Which necessity ceasing the Popes as their following words would have it were the first preachers of force and violence in matters of Religion and yet it came not so sar as death but the first that preached that Doctrine was Dominick the founder of the Order of begging Fryars Answ That as I conceive neither were the Popes the first preachers of force and violence neither was Dominick the first founder of begging Fryars for I have already proved that force in this case has been practised before taught by St. Austin and approved by God himself in giving men into the hands of Satan for the punishment of the flesh Nay did not the whole Christian world agree together upon the same principle in the holy war against Infidels which is more then we have undertaken to justify though the same power which was raised against them was turned against Christians upon the instigation of Dominick This Dominick was not the founder of begging Fryars for these owe their beginning to S. Francis of Assize but of a new order of working Fryars who being unable to maintain themselves by working were forced to piece out their maintenance by begging The new Order I call them for here even in this Island about six hundred years before Dominick the Monks of Bangor were about two thousand and one hundred that lived upon the work of their hands as Bede witnesseth Hist Eccles Gent. Ang. l. 2. c. 2. In the next place to the pretended injustice of the executions that are urged to have been done in the reign of Henry the fourth for matter of opinion I say that what was done was occasioned not so much for opinions as for the hostile manner that the assertors of those opinions assembled themselves in which was pernicious in it self and dangerous to the State These were called by several names one whereof was Lollards not as owing their beginning to Lollardus a German if I may have the liberty of conjecture but as being so called quasi Lowlords h. e. Levellers for in Acts and Monuments they are also written Lolleards the termination whereof comes near to the Scottish word Laird for Lord. In the last place it is objected Why are we so zealous against th se we call Hereticks and yet great friends with drunkards and fornicatours and swearers and intemperate and idle persons c. Answ This Argument holds for those that are onely called Hereticks but are not certainly known to be so whereas that which is Heresy indeed is a spiritual drunkenness and a spiritual fornication and which usually carries along with it an interest destructive to the King and Church which Hereticks will fight for as eagerly as a corporal fornicatour will do for his Paramour and therefore more severely to be punished then corporal drunkenness in those that are guilty of it for it may be said of corporal drunkards as Caesar did of Dolabella whom he was advised to beware of I am not afraid said he of such fat perewig'd fellows as he they are the pale and the lean men that I stand in fear of meaning Cassius and Brutus so Plut. in vita Caesaris Yet this I adde namely that he who is a friend to an unbounded liberty of opinions such as these men contend for is a friend to drunkenness too inasmuch as he that hath liberty to think what he pleases in any thing for hither these men would extend liberty will judge it lawfull to take a cup too much at sometimes And where have you greater drinking then amongst the Low-Countrey men where liberty of opinion is allowed In so much that a very famous man and he a publick Professour too failing his Auditours of a Lecture one day made an Apology for himself the next and said The reason was that he had been drunk over night This I had from one of the greatest friends they have in England and therefore not very likely to raise a false report of them And to let you know that this Nation observes no just measure in any thing appertaining to God or Caesar another hath expressed this their moral Scazon by a metrical one in these words Utrinque clauda Gens Batâva jampridem est Sed cur unde nosse vis id in promptu Deo rebellis rebellis est Regi Hi nonne summo jure dicier claudi Per omne crus omne per latus possunt Quibus est fides luxata valga distorta Fide litasque facta loripes to●a The Batavan on both feet goes awry Wouldst know the cause I 'le tell thee by and by He 's Rebel both ' gainst God and ' gainst his Prince And he whose cheverel conscience can dispense With faith to th' one and fealty to th' other His legs and sides and all will halt together As for Disputations so much desired they are good in themselves but for the most part so partially reported that I have seldome known any good come of them for when men cannot confute what others say they will make them say what they can confute FINIS Errata Majora In the Contents Sect 7. read Situation Sect 16. for Roam read Romn read Lolla●ds pag. 8. lin 2. read ● 200. l. 23. read Ieneratio p. 11. l. 5. read stirred up p. 12. l. 19. read if this ●e ● t the very p. 15. l. 21. read Sacerdotales p 15. l. 27 read Dis Germ. ● 21. p. 17. l. 27. read de lmper sum p●t p. 22. l. 31. read Schedius and Dis. p. 25. l. 27. read Synode p. 26. l. 20. read Rejet●n l. 29. read Ailes p. 27. l. 6. dele are l. 19. read Azarias and Villalpandus l. 22. read Roman and dele together p. 28. l 6. read continuous l. 8. read plane l. 11. read an oblong l. 14. read given l. 15. dele colon l. 22 read seem l. 20. read letters p. 29 l. 3. read Norti● and l. 29. read exception p 30. l. 32. read Nebuchadnezzar's p. 31. l. 33. read Gyges p. 3● l. 24. dele 1. p. 40. l. 3● read Swallow p. 41. l. 22. read rebuking p. 42. l. 29. dele if p. 43. l. 24. read Laws p. 44. l. ult read agree p. 48. l. 5. read ●● the same effect l. 18. for by read of p. 52. l. 10. dele of l. 13. dele so l. 32. read inanimate p. 54. l. 7. read Hereunto p. 54. l. 10. read would destroy l. ult for want it read meant it p. 55. l. 9. read take heed in p. 57. l. 24. for unlawfull read lawfull p. 58. l. ult for examination read emancipation p. 59. l. 1. for c. 50. read tit 50. l. 15. ● for of read to p. 61. l. 11. for lib. 2. read lib. 1. l. ●2 read Paganis l. 13. read pl●●untur l. 14. for ask read after l. ult read by punishing so me ●ort l. 1● read without delay bring themselve and theirs to the holy assemblies and. l. 20. for Lege Qui read Lege Name ●a p. ●6 l. 21. for c. 9. read ● ● p. ●7 l. 22. read 1●38 l. 29. read liure l. 30. read fa. culte l. 30. read expose and read chapitres p. ●8 l. ●●4 ●ad sujets l. 5. read obeissanc●l 16. read b ●●n fai●● sujets l. 19. read sujets l. 21. read c. l. 27. read pense l. 28. read plusiers l. ●1 dele p 69. l. 9. read detour●● l. 14. read sa●r● p. 72. l. 25. read in-sisted on is this * Viz. Dr. Owen in his 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 l. 4. digres 2.