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A83515 The third part of Gangræna. Or, A new and higher discovery of the errors, heresies, blasphemies, and insolent proceedings of the sectaries of these times; with some animadversions by way of confutation upon many of the errors and heresies named. ... Briefe animadversions on many of the sectaries late pamphlets, as Lilburnes and Overtons books against the House of Peeres, M. Peters his last report of the English warres, The Lord Mayors farewell from his office of maioralty, M. Goodwins thirty eight queres upon the ordinance against heresies and blasphemies, M. Burtons Conformities deformity, M. Dells sermon before the House of Commons; ... As also some few hints and briefe observations on divers pamphlets written lately against me and some of my books, ... / By Thomas Edvvards Minister of the Gospel.; Gangraena. Part 3 Edwards, Thomas, 1599-1647. 1646 (1646) Wing E237; Thomason E368_5; ESTC R201273 294,455 360

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the increase of Errors there and that there was a woman Preacher there who ●ents many Heresies as that the Scriptures were not the word of God that the drowning of the old World and story of Noah were not true there were no such things with other things of that nature July the eighth a godly Minister lately of this City told me in the presence and hearing of other Ministers as a certain truth this story That at a house in Red-crosse street or thereabouts there met some Sectaries where some forty persons being present one of then exercised his gifts and in his exercise preached these Doctrines 1. That Jesus Christ was not God not the Son of God 2. That the Scriptures were not the word of God and brought many arguments to prove it 3. That the souls of men dye with their bodies Now as he was delivering these points there was a woman present that wept bitterly speaking words to this effect If this Doctrine be true what shall I do I have many yeers beleeved in Jesus Christ and hoped to be saved but now what will become of me Which words this blasphemous Sectary taking notice of said good woman you need not be troubled for though Christ be not God neither any certainty of the Scripture being the word of God yet if you live honestly and modestly you shall do well enough besides this fellow said there are two Witnesses or Prophets coming shortly that will bring Scriptures with them and then you and I shall know what to do and to beleeve There is an Independent who came some yeers ago out of New-England and is made a Captaine here who left a wife and many children there and after he was come over never sends nor writes to his wife nor takes no care for the●r subsistence but as it seems by Letters written to New-England and from thence this Captaine hath been sometimes neer the marrying others here in England in so much as a Letter was written to him b●one whom I suppose an Elder at the desire of the Church to deale with him about it which Letter I have read as also a Letter from his wise wherein she wonders she could not hear from him and prayes him to consider in what state he left her and those children and how unable both she and they are for any inployment and for to show the truth of this Relation I shall give the Reader a true copie of the Letter sent him out of New-England which is as followes Captaine and beloved Brother HAving an opportunity I embraced it to write unto you being also desired by the Church we earnestly desi●ing your good in the Lord. I wonder that you would never sens a word neither to my self nor any friend of yours we knew not whether to write unto you untill this opportunity Your wife is yet a live and never received word nor penny from you And which is most sadde we are informed by two Letters that you have been sometimes ready to marry others which you know is very evill and condemned by the Law of England as well as by the Law of God we hope you will take it to heart together with your forgetfulnesse of your wife and children It showes that your heart is declined from God and we hold it our duty to recover you if we can by the blessing of God upon the meanes we shall use Good Sir take some time to consider of your wayes the time will come when you must give account for them to the great Judge of all We shall expect to hear an answer from you concerning this businesse for God calls us to purge his Church from such evils as these are Thus with my love unto you and prayers to the Lord to recover you and humble you I rest Your loving friend Richard Blinman Glocester in New-England December 4. 1645. THere is one Sir Worts who being newly Bachelor of Arts came down into Norfolke and would have had such a place in Norfolke which some of the godly Ministers thought him not fit to take the Cure of upon him being so young having so lately commenced Bachelor whereupon this young youth being angry at the Ministers for missing the place the next newes the godly Ministers heard was that he was turned Independent had gathered a Church and people running eight or ten miles after him with a great deale of violence crying him up and amongst other of his converts that turned Independents and followed this Worts a godly Minister of that Country told me one of his Parish who would lie often in blind Alehouses and be often drunk being not admitted by him to the Lords Supper but being wished by this Minister to repent and give some testimonies of it before he came upon non-admittance turned Independent presently and followed this Worts but a while after this man was struck sick on a Munday dying on the Friday or Saturday after and would not admit his Minister to come at him but sent for Worts and in his sicknesse lay all the while speaking and extolling the Church-way to all who came to see him but not doing any thing which concerned a man in that case who had been guilty of so great sinnes and so died A godly Minister told me that he knew an old man an Anabaptist that lived at Ashford in Kent or thereabouts who will bee drunken and when he is drunk then he will weep much and bewaile the blindnesse of the Church of England About May last I was told it by two or three good witnesses that a Souldier belonging to the Army and one who had been a Dipper came not long before that to a Town in Bedfordshire called Ravensdowne and got up into the ●●lpit against the will of the Minister preaching for Universall Grace against Poedobaptisme against Tyths whereupon for preaching whether the Minister would or no one of the Town fetcht a Warrant for him against he came down from the Pulpit to bring him before a Knight a Justice of Peace of that County and when he came before him he gave him uncivill words and carried himself disrespectively telling him that if he committed him he should be fetcht forth with honour and to the Justices dishonour but the Justice binding him over to the Sessions and being brought thither desiring some exemplary justice against him for contempt of his authority a Letter came from some Commander I am not sure who for to send his Souldier to him and so as the story was told me the Justices released him and let him go An honest godly man of good understanding told me lately that one being spoken unto about sending the Army into Ireland he said there should not go six parings of the nails of Sir Thomas's Army into Ireland though it were lost ten times over better that lost then England hazarded by sending away the Army At Hampden in Buckinghamshire there is one Potter a Smith who hath been a souldier and is come out
hath lain bed-riden a long time who denieth the marrying of them that he had no Licence nor any Authority to marry them as by his Certificate may appear but as he confesseth took eleaven shillings and six pence of her to make show of something as if he married her to satisfie her humour the youth not knowing any thing thereof concerning het pretended marriage with him For at that time and six weeks after she pretends this marriage your Petitioners son was ignorant of things done and said unto him and was weak in his understanding and right judgement and without his memory and speechlesse as your Petitioner can prove And whereas she produceth a Certificate to show as married in Saint Georges Church in Southwark where she never was with him neither is there any such marriage in the Church Register book to be found the Lad taketh it to heart he should be so abused by her and that it may be a discontent to him for ever during his life And the said Mary hath done so in another house where she was a servant by one P. H. an Apprentise about three months before this and is not free from him to this day but by a bribe of ten pounds she received of him She the said Mary defending her practise in the streets to be lawfull saying It was commanded under the Law not to marry without consent of parents but that was but a ceremony to them that liyed under the Law it is now lawfull because we live under the Gospel He humbly prayeth if it might stand with your favour to grant unto him your Warrant to bring before you the said Mary that upon discovery of the Premises and lewd practise the Petitioners Son as he hath bin by her publickly disgraced he may be publickly discharged from her and she abide such further Order as shall be thought meet And the Petitioner and his Sonne as in duty bound shall and will daily pray for your Honours long and happy preservation This Mary Abraham before her coming to Master Clarks had intangled a young youth an Apprentice here in London and claimed a promise of marriage at his hand which businesse was heard before Master Jesse the Seeker an Independent Minister and some others and it was concluded he should give her ten pounds and so there should be an end between them which this youth gave her and there was a writing of discharge between them which ten pounds given by the boy M. Jesse received and faith it was since given to the Parliament Now though M. Jesse knew all this yet he recommended this Mary to Master Clark to be his house-keeper who knew nothing of her prancks when this old wench came to his house whilst the youth was well she tempted him not but when he was thus ill as above mentioned she tempted him and in the time of some intermission of his sits before he was perfectly recovered when the youth went with a staffe she carried him to that Stampe and when the boy was ill and weak would come to bed to him Now after Master Clark had put this Mary Abraham away he found this paper of agreement between a young Apprentize and this Mary by meeer accident in his sonnes chamber and with a great deale of paines and enquiry found out this Apprentice in London from whom he understood the whole businesse whereupon going to Master Jesse with this paper to taxe him that he knowing such a businesse would commend such a one to him who was a widdower Master Jesse desiring to see the paper Master Clarke letting him see it kept it and would never restore it againe but Master Jesse told him he must forgive her and he speaking of complaining of her for doing such a wicked fact for the ruine of his sonne Master Jesse wished him to take heed of prosecuting a Saint and to consider how Jesus Christ at the day of judgement would take it at his hands with such like words And this Master Clark tels me having spoken to him and some other Sectaries of that company why they suffered such a wickednesse and kept her company he told me I could not imagine the shifts and put offs they had among them to colour the wickednesse the affirming and denying sometimes saying she was not of their Church but only recommended by Letters Testimoniall sometimes affirming she had repented There is one Master Denne whom I have spoken of in my first Part of Gangraena this man goes still up and down the Countries spreading his corrupt opinions and dipping concerning whom I have lately received this Information from a hand that could not mistake in the relation and I have the examinations taken before the Justices of Peace who examined Denne and others about him which I here give the Reader The Examination of Anne Jarrat of Spalding Spinster June 22. 1646. before Master Thomas Irbie and Master John Harrington Commissioners of the Peace THis Examinate saith on Wednesday last in the night about 11. or 12. of the clock Anne Stennet and Anne Smith the servants of John Makernesse did call out this Examinate to go with them to the little Croft with whom this Examinate did go and coming thither Master Denne and John Makernesse and a stranger or two followed after And being come to the River side Master Denne went into the water and there did baptise Anne Stennet Anne Smith Godfery Roote and John Sowter in this Examinats presence Anne Jarrat W her mark June 21. 1646. Lincolne Holland Henry Denne of Caxton in the County of Cambridge examined before John Harrington and Thomas Irby Esquires two of his Majesties Justices of the Peace THis Examinate saith that he liveth at Caxton aforesaid but doth exercise at Elsly within a mile of his own house and saith that he took Orders about 16. years since from the Bishop of Saint Davids And that on Munday last he came to Spalding being invited thither by John Makernesse to come to his house And that he hath exercised his gifts about four times in severall places in Spalding viz. at the house of John Makernesse and Mr. E●stons As for baptising of any he doth not confesse John Harrington Master Harrington sent for Denn by a Constable on the Lords day with whom he coming Master Harrington confined him to the Provost Marshal who had been an Officer of the Committee for that day being the Lords day that he should not make a mutiny nor stir in the Town that day by people resorting to him This Maiden Anne Jarrat confesse● that she being by heard Master Denn or some of the company with him lay upon them at their Baptisme and require a promise of those that were dipped to hear none but of their own way This Denn in his travels about the country had two men attended him who live as they said with him they were clad like Farmem and they took upon them to question some in the Town of Spalding to give an account
Oxford by the Parliament forces hee hath preached in Saint Maries the same day when Master Saltmarsh did besides other times that hee hath preached in Oxford and there goe credible reports from persons of worth both of strange passages preached by him concerning the King and of souldiers in the Army that he could pick out that should be able to open Scriptures draw Doctrines make uses better and more proper then any of the Schollers in the Universitie and that he would make a boy of twelve yeares of age to preach as good Divinity as most of them or to that effect But because I had not these Relations at first hand from eare witnesses I will not assert them till I have fuller proof Master Peters at Plymouth and since at London preached that suppose a Father have five Children one a drunkard another an adulterer a third a swearer and so in the rest and hee cannot reclaim them will hee presently throw them into the Thames will he not wait for their amendment use meanes for their conversion so now in a Kingdome their are some Anabaptists others Antinomians others Brownists others Papists will the Magistrat presently because these cannot beleeve their Truths cut off their heads and kill them with more words to this effect M. Peters preached at Linclons Inne upon that text Acts 5. of Gamaliels counsell and upon that Text in the same Sermon he contradicted himself for his first point taken from Gamaliel that Gamaliel a great man in place a rich man and yet a gracelesse wicked man was this that a man may be a great man in place power and yet a gracelesse man and in the latter part of his Text and Sermon he fel upon speaking of Gamaliels giving that counsel Refrain from these men and let them alone and there he called him good Gamaliel honest Gamaliel wise Gamaliel with many words to that purpose saying I professe I had rather live under Gamaliels Government then any I know of where shall a man read of such a man I had rather live under Gamaliels Government then under any of the Presbyterians And in his pleading for Liberty of conscience upon those words of Gamaliel one of his Arguments against all restraint was because we the English Nation naturally above others were given to change and did not love to be held to any thing in a few years we turned foure or five times we were Papists in Henry the eights dayes Protestants in King Edwards dayes Papists in Quene Marys dayes Protestants again in Queen Elizabeths raigne Master Peters preached on a solemne day of thanksgiving at Christ Church before both Houses the City of London the Assembly and in that Sermon among many other odd passages he would make a marriage that day between the Parliament and the City marry them together and he bid all those who consented to this marriage to hold up their hands he holding up his own but as it fell out this did not take for very few of the Congregation held up their hands I heard not the Sermon but it was related to me by some Ministers and Citizens who did hear it that they beleeve never in the memory of man so weak and so odd a Sermon was preached before such an Auditory In August last Master Peters preached at Stepny upon that Text In me yee shall have peace on which words he discoursed as followes That now every one was inquiring after peace asking for peace desiring peace he told them here was peace in Christ but as for that other peace which they so much asked after though now they had a month or two a time of cessation reprivall for in Gods keeping Sessions yet they must look shortly for Warre and he said for himself though many are ●o● peace peace hee was for Warre he said there were times and offers of peace which God offereth to places and if they take them well and good but if not they may never have them more and he cryed out O Stepny Steptny thou hast had thy time of peace and the day of visitation by two famous and worthy lights you have had your morning Star and your evening Star still he spake of two lights some half a score times in this Sermon never taking notice of a third Doctor Hoyle the Minister of the place and speaking of the offers of peace which if men take not they shall never have again he spake of New-Castle and the King how he had had offers of peace in the Propositions lately sent him but for ought he knew for refusing the offer of peace hee might never have it more but he and his Children and that ere long might beg their bread I might further relate some passages of Sermons preached by him in divers other places as Islington where commonly upon his returne out of the Army he payes his first fruits Wapping Fishstreet-hil Lumbardstreet Chensford Kent Holland with other places but I have yet divers things to relate of his conferences and discourses and out of his printed Pamphlets and shall come ●rom his Sermons to some of his Discourses A godly understanding Citizen told me the twenty ninth of May last that Master Peters had said to him a few dayes before that the City Remonstrance was the foundation of all the Cities misery and would be so the Army would disband and the Commanders would come and lay down Armes presently upon it He brag'd also to this Citizen that he would prove the Church of England to be no true Church and meet any man to maintaine it next morning at eight of the clock Upon Master Peters Sermon preached the last of May 1646. at the three Cranes spoken of a little before there were two Citizens being offended at many passages in that Sermon went to him that night to conferre with him for satisfaction and under both their hands they gave me in writing the summe of the conference between him and them which is as followes Upon occasion of Master Hugh Peters preaching at the three Cranes Church in the Vintry we went to speak with Master Peters about his Sermon and finding him at Colonell Rowland Wilsons house we waited on him till he came forth and speaking to him one of us told him we had some businesse with him and would come to him another time apprehending it unseasonable because late he told us we must speak with him now for he was to go forth of London the next morning about foure of the clock We then told him we came to speak with him about some things he had preached that afternoon and the first thing we spake to him of was that he should say men made an Idoll of the Covenant to which Master Peters replied so you do I can meet with none almost in London but they ●ry 〈…〉 the Covenant the Covenant as if we were beasts before we took the Covenant and that made us men he further said that he had taken it as hee thought at