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A85045 A discourse of the visible church. In a large debate of this famous question, viz. whether the visible church may be considered to be truely a church of Christ without respect to saving grace? Affirm. Whereunto is added a brief discussion of these three questions. viz. 1. What doth constitute visible church-membership. 2. What doth distinguish it, or render it visible. 3. What doth destroy it, or render it null? Together with a large application of the whole, by way of inference to our churches, sacraments, and censures. Also an appendix touching confirmation, occasioned by the Reverend Mr. Hanmore his pious and learned exercitation of confirmation. By Francis Fulwood minister of the gospel at West-Alvington in Devon. Fullwood, Francis, d. 1693. 1658 (1658) Wing F2500; Thomason E947_3; ESTC R207619 279,090 362

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degree of the censure among the Jews Niddai was 2. Many learned and reverend men affirm that the greater excommunication it self doth not debar men of any other publick Vid. Cottons way of N. E. p. 39 40 Ordinance besides the Supper 3. So far we may proceed as to cast persons out of communion in the Supper and yet keep our selves and the person censured safe from the Law of the Land and some think no further And if the word Excommunication should offend the Law it being not Scripture-word may be forborn or changed 4. But principally though our Ministerial authority may be larger yet our power can extend no fatther as things now are for the Church or place of assembling is a place of common Civil right so that though we should sentence a scandalous person unfit for communion with us in all Ordinances yet he may come in to the common place of divine worship and joyn with us in the Word and Prayer and do body can hinder him without doing him civil wrong by entrenching on his property and shutting his own door upon him I humbly present this to be seriously conside●ed by two sorts Harding had said that we would have all that will not receive to be driven out of the Church O Mr. Harding you know this is neither the doctrine nor practice of our Churches As Jewd priv Mass Ant. 1. p. 59. of brethren By such as suffer the Communicants to take the Bread and Wine from off the Table with their own hands suppose the Excommunicate should intrude and take also how would you help your selves especially if he do it in a decent manner and without a legal disturbance Secondly I commend it to the consideration of those other brethren that do so vehemently press us ro excommunicate the scandalous from all Ordinances and the very place of divine worship I cannot then see how we can well avoid one of these two great inconveniences either to withhold the civil right of such persons from them or to put the whole Church out of the Synagogue and to betake our selves most inconveniently to a private house But it may be said how did the primitive Christians Obj. They met together in houses of their own private right and Answ not in places of common interest as we do now and consequently had the power of their own doors They had a Civil Key to shut out of the house as well as an Ecclesiastical Key to shut out of the Church But it may be with great weight and seriousnesse questioned Obj. whether censures would be now seasonable considering that when discipline is like to do no good but run the Church upon the hazard of schism and sedition i● may and ought to be forborn as Augustine and others affirm and is not this our case I dare not determine how far this is the case of some parishes especiallie where the people are generally loose and disaffected to their Minister Yet I conceive that most Congregations are made up of three sorts of people 1. A middle moderate and well tempered Answ people that usually joyne with their Minister or differ from him conscientiously and modestly 2. People upon two extreams some too large in their principles that set themselves to oppose every thing tending to Order and Reformation under the notion of Novelty and Tyranny Some again more too strict that make it their businesse to censure every thing that cometh not fully to the height of their own principles There is but little fear that the first peaceable and moderate sort will be offended at the censuring of the scandalous The second sort indeed may be offended by discipline and yet I hope there are but few for examination of knowledge offendeth most and these few are not very apt to separation neither The last sort they indeed are aptest to separate but the want and not the practice of discipline is likeliest to offend them and occasion or further their separation as experience witnesseth And I cannot but note for my own and for my brethrens comfort that whereas it is most speciously and vigorously objected by some that our stirring about discipline hath offended the people and made them to separate it may be yet observed that but few if any of those that are enemies to discipline are separated from us and generally such as are already separated or such as are likely yet to separate are such as complain that discipline is not stricter then it is or then it should be Now as for these I fear they will be gone when we have yielded all we can to hold them O that tears could quench this distempered zeal of men enflamed after measures of purity unattainable or if to be attained inconsistent with the truth of God or the peace and unity of his Churches FINIS The Books following are to be sold by Abel Roper at the Sunne against St. Dunstans Church in Fleetstreet In Folio THe Generall History of the Turks from the beginning of that nation with the notable expedition of the Christian Princes against them By Richard Knolls The Works of that famous and worthy Minister of Christ Mr. William Perkins the first volume Ovids Metamorphosis Englished Mythologiz'd and represented in figures G. Sandys Esq Dr. Fulk his Confutation of the translation and glosses of the Colledge at Rhemes upon the New Testament and his own Annotations upon it A French English Dixonary compiled by Randle Cotgrave with another in English and French with the late additions of J. Howel Esq Theatrum Botanicum the Theater of Plants or an universal compleat Herbal composed by John Parkinson the Kings Herbarist The famous and memorable Works of Josephus a man of much honour and learning among the Jews translated into English by Tho. Ledge Dr. in Physick The holy Court in five Tomes written in French by N. Caussin and translated in English by Sir Th. Hawkins and o-others The Phylosophy commonly called the Morals written by the learned Phylosopher Plutarch translated into English by Ph. Holland Dr. in Physick The general practice of Physick containing all the diseases and infirmities incident to the body of man and by what meanes they may be remedied a a Book of singular use to all that are studious in Physick Government and obedience as they stand directed and determined by Scripture and reason by John Hall The Country Justice containing the practice of the Justices of the Peace out of their Sessions much enlarged by its anthour Michael Dalton and an Appendix added of all such late Acts and O●dinances as are to be put in execution by Justices of the Peace The History of Titus Livius that famous Romane History newly revised and enlarged with a supplement rendred in English by an able hand The history of Venice with the Wares of Cyprus written in Itallian by Paulo Paruta and put into English by Henry Earl of Monmouth In Quarto It inerarium totius Sacrae Scripturae the travel of the holy Patriarchs Prophets