Selected quad for the lemma: order_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
order_n	church_n	primitive_a	time_n	2,288	5	3.9470	3	false

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A41815	A reply to A vindication of a discourse concerning the unreasonableness of a new separation &c.	Grascome, Samuel, 1641-1708?	1691 (1691)	Wing G1576; ESTC R31730	40,185	31

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