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author_n and_o place_n of_o that_o opinion_n this_o we_o say_v and_o have_v say_v it_o already_o they_o have_v no_o sacrament_n because_o they_o have_v no_o divine_a faith_n and_o we_o think_v this_o consequence_n be_v good_a because_o the_o sacrament_n have_v no_o be_v nor_o use_v but_o in_o order_n unto_o and_o in_o presupposal_n of_o the_o divine_a faith_n and_o i_o suppose_v our_o strict_a opponent_n will_v say_v no_o less_o for_o if_o the_o sacrament_n may_v be_v enjoy_v in_o their_o true_a and_o real_a be_v and_o natural_a efficacy_n where_o divine_a faith_n be_v want_v than_o turk_n and_o heathen_a man_n may_v have_v they_o which_o i_o know_v this_o opponent_n at_o least_o will_v deny_v because_o the_o sacrament_n be_v peculiar_o to_o the_o church_n make_v man_n christian_n and_o christianity_n make_v the_o church_n for_o thus_o he_o write_v pag._n 117._o and_o 119._o he_o promise_v to_o forbear_v his_o proof_n till_o he_o find_v his_o position_n deny_v but_o the_o heat_n 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