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way_n which_o i_o deliver_v more_o lax_o i_o express_v more_o distinct_o in_o the_o treatise_n of_o the_o key_n which_o follow_v after_o and_o some_o thing_n more_o full_o and_o clear_o in_o the_o way_n clear_v then_o in_o either_o of_o the_o former_a answer_n 3._o when_o i_o say_v no_o act_n of_o the_o people_n part_n do_v proper_o bind_v unless_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o elder_a join_v with_o it_o key_n pag._n 36._o i_o will_v be_v understand_v to_o speak_v it_o as_o i_o mean_v it_o of_o the_o elder_n walk_v without_o offence_n in_o the_o right_a administration_n of_o their_o office_n and_o conversation_n of_o their_o life_n answer_n 4._o when_o mr_n hooker_n say_v excommunication_n be_v not_o a_o act_n of_o office_n power_n nor_o of_o rule_n but_o of_o supreme_a judgement_n seat_v in_o the_o fraternity_n i_o easy_o grant_v that_o the_o excommunication_n dispense_v by_o the_o fraternity_n be_v not_o a_o act_n of_o office-power_n but_o it_o may_v just_o be_v inquire_v whether_o 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contradiction_n the_o six_o contradiction_n be_v thus_o present_v 6._o examination_n be_v one_o of_o the_o high_a act_n of_o rule_n and_o therefore_o can_v be_v perform_v but_o by_o some_o ruler_n key_n pag._n 16._o the_o church_n can_v excommunicate_v the_o whole_a presbytery_n because_o they_o have_v not_o receive_v from_o christ_n a_o office_n of_o rule_n without_o their_o officer_n ibid._n no_o act_n of_o the_o people_n power_n do_v proper_o bind_v unless_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o presbytery_n join_v with_o it_o ibid._n pag._n 36._o 6._o if_o all_o their_o officer_n be_v find_v culpable_a either_o in_o heretical_a doctrine_n or_o in_o scandalous_a crime_n the_o church_n have_v lawful_a authority_n to_o proceed_v against_o they_o all_o the_o way_n pag._n 45._o in_o case_n of_o offence_n give_v by_o a_o elder_n or_o the_o whole_a eldership_n together_o the_o church_n have_v authority_n to_o require_v satisfaction_n and_o if_o they_o give_v it_o not_o to_o proceed_v to_o censure_v ibid._n page_n 101._o 6._o excommunication_n be_v not_o a_o act_n of_o the_o power_n of_o office_n but_o of_o judgement_n nor_o a_o act_n of_o high_a rule_n but_o of_o supreme_a judgement_n seat_v in_o the_o fraternity_n surv._n part_n 3._o pag._n 45._o as_o a_o church_n of_o brethren_n can_v not_o proceed_v to_o any_o public_a censure_n without_o the_o elder_n so_o nor_o the_o elder_n without_o concurrence_n of_o the_o people_n preface_n to_o the_o key_n pag._n 4._o answer_n 1._o here_o be_v indeed_o a_o discrepance_n in_o expression_n between_o the_o way_n and_o the_o key_n but_o it_o be_v not_o my_o act_n that_o any_o such_o discrepance_n shall_v have_v be_v extant_a the_o truth_n be_v that_o many_o year_n ago_o and_o some_o year_n before_o the_o suppress_n of_o the_o bishop_n in_o england_n i_o be_v serious_o move_v by_o some_o of_o our_o brethren_n and_o fellow_n elder_n here_o to_o draw_v up_o a_o historical_a narration_n of_o our_o churchway_n together_o with_o some_o 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