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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A38437	Englands settlement mistaken, or, A short survey of a pamphlet called England's settlement upon the two solid foundations of the peoples civil and religious liberties, pleading for a toleration of all religions wherein his ten arguments for toleration are confuted as so many sophisms and fallacies / by a well-willer to both civil and religious liberties of the people.	Well-willer to both civil and religious liberties of the people.	1660 (1660)	Wing E3050; ESTC R26794	23,668	34

out of state pollicy because on the one side if the prelatical party should have a Tole ration they might in time return to challenge and take from them those fat and sweet morsels of the Bishops Revenues which some of them have swallowed down and would be loath to vomit up again On the other side if the Popish party should be tolerated I will not say they should lose a good Revenue from Sequestration of two parts of their Estates though some give this for a reason their Principles are destructive to Heretical Magistrates as the Pope can easily make them and so subversive of their New Common-wealth That 's one 2. The other consideration to stay my wonder was That that exception was so often inserted by some Jesuitical finger that if ever that party got power into their hands they might the more colourable deny Toleration to those who being in place did first deny it to them for this is a maxime amongst the Sectaries They that deny toleration to others tender consciences I Milt ubi supra p. 36. deserve not to have it for themselves And then they that now plead for Toleration of the worst sort of tender consciences will at last grant more to those whose consciences are truly tender and most rightly principled I wish I may be a false prophet in this consideration But hear the next 3. It is against another Principle of ours we allow people the Bible in the vulgar language and press them to search the Scripture to find out the mind of God and at last by our coersive power will have them believe as the the Church believes we bid men as wisely Mr Collier speaks see with their own eyes and yet put them to see with others eyes We bid men with our Saviour to search the Scriptures and with the Bereans not content themselves to believe as the Church believes that was the Colliers and the Papists beliefe but to try the truths held out by Church or Magistrate which if they do faithfully and sincerely they will see the truths with their own eyes If any man will do his will he shall know of the Doctrine whether it be of God or whether I speak of my self Jo 7.17 And we suppose and take for granted which this man makes doubtful that there is a pattern of sound words the true fai●h and worship of God held forth fi●st in the Scriptures and then by the Church or Magistrate and thereupon exhort men not to take any thing upon trust of men which is not faith but ignorance or Popish credulity but in matters of Salvation to search and see by their own eyes And if it happen that private persons mistake error for truth they must either be meekly willing to hearken to instruction which is a sign of a good conscience or resolve rather to suffer for their judgment than to disturb the peace of the Church or State For while they keep it to themselves none can take notice of it or judg them for it But this dispute allowes them either to resist the coercive power and labour their subversion as in his first Argument or else to be tolerated though never so damnably heretical and practically destructive to themselves or others True charity of Protestants bids those that have the charge of their souls which both Ministers and Magistrates have in their own way First with meekness and much patience to instruct them and if they still continue obstinate like mad men to mischief themselves and others to lay setters of restraint upon them either spiritual or corporal that they may do no further hurt 9. The next Reason is this It was against the judgment of King James and other Kings and against the peoples frequent petitions for toleration c First for King James two of his sayings are produced That God never plants a Church by violence and bloodshed True for he left that for the Jesuites amongst the poor Indians So spake Tertullian and Lantanc above Religion is not to be forced upon Heathens God does not fi●st plant a Church by violence much less by bloodshed but when a Church is planted as a Vine he allows pruning and purging of it by spiritual censures which in this mans sense is a kind of force upon conscience And the Magistrate being a guardian or nurse-keeper of the Church as Gods vicegerent is to publish and maintain Religion in the puri●y of it which cannot be done without coercive power not upon mens consciences but upon their bodies or estates His other speech That he never intended any persecution any against the Papists for conscience sake but desired to be secured for civil obedience which they cannot deny Not to tell him that King James did not own but oppose their Religion as false whose Faith is Faction whose Religion is Rebellion he knows who said it If he did restrain them from practising it publickly it was not persecution of them for conscience sake but prosecution of an erring conscience But I say when they were restrained from exercise of their Religson it was with respect to a principle of their Religion denying to give him security in civil obedience from a stated-destroying opinion and practise of theirs That it is lawful yea necessary if the Pope command it to murder and kill heretical Kings Whereof his predecessors and himself had frequent experience in such like attempts the examples of other Kings in tolerating other Keligions I fear is rather out of political Interest than real piety As for that scandal upyn the powers That the State in persecuting them now will be greater persecutors then the old Magistra●●s and Bishops were yea than the Spanish Inquisition it self I leave to them to answer or chastise such Jesuitical insolence One thing aspersive upon the B●shops and others is fouly and foolishly affe●ted and easily wiped away They to prove the lawfulness of their vocation against the Puritans derived their orders from Rome yet concurred with the State to make the Laws that any that received orders from Rome were Traitors which was most ridiculous But 1. The Puritans did not brand their vocation from Rome in the first Protestant Bishops in England some of them were ordained Presbyters by such the Browninsts and Anabaptists did that 2. The Bishops with the State made a Law that none of their Ministers should take orders from Rome in a State way first because that was a denial of our ministry to be good at home Secondly it was an owning of the Popes supremacy spiritual in England which appears by this that they so far allowed ordination by a Romish Bishop that they did not re-ordain those Priests which were converted unto the Protestant Religion But if Papists and Jesuites be of the same opinions as afore That heretical Magistrates may be murdered and maintain revelations and impulsies of spirit to kill any whom their spirit bids them kill which our young Quakers have learnt of them as the State or Government