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A09101	A discouerie of I. Nicols minister, misreported a Iesuite, latelye recanted in the Tower of London Wherin besides the declaration of the man, is contayned a ful answere to his recantation, with a confutation of his slaunders, and proofe of the contraries, in the Pope, cardinals, clergie, students, and priuate men of Rome. There is also added a reproofe of an oratiuon and sermon, falsely presented by the sayd Nicols to be made in Rome, and presented to the Pope in his consistorye. Wherto is annexed a late information from Rome touchng [sic] the aute[n]tical copie of Nicols recantation.	Parsons, Robert, 1546-1610.	1581 (1581)	STC 19402; ESTC S120349	83,096	196

cause he is enforced to folow the custome and to saye sumwhat against him be it neuer soe litle false or impertinent But before he commeth to bite his person in particuler common vse teacheth him to snarre at all Popes in general which he doth with this vsual reproche You shal haue no Pope saithe he that teacheth the people howe to liue in the true feare and loue of God Which he attemteth not to proue but taking i● as a thing cléere euident and as a prin●●●le graunted in their owne scholes he commeth to Gregorie the thirteenthe saying● An vnthankful cōfession Paraduenture nowe you wil saye that this Pope is a holye man Although I am indebted vnto him 50. or 60. l. in monie yet will I not nether can I but speake the truthe of him cet In which wordes he semeth to me to saye thus muche Paraduenture you will saye the worlde will beare witnes that the Pope which now is is a most iust wise liberall and vertuous man and I my selfe haue proued the same besides the ●recepte of fiftie or thréescore poundes in liberalitie from him yet now because I am in hope of greater gaine in England and because I shall not otherwise procure me credite or content my benefactoures I must lye and rayle one crashe against him also though mine oune consciēce condemne me for it and the whole world be witnes of my slander But héere before I passe any furder I must deliuer vnto the Christian Reader An aduertismēt of S. Ansten about the Pope from as learned a man as euer liued in Christ his Church an aduertisement most necessary for thes our times wherin euery tonge is exercised in deprauing of him whoe if he were the worst liu●● in the world as God be thanked is altogether contrarie yet were he to be reuerenced for his place and dignitie I meane the Pope or Bishoppe of Rome The aduertisment is from S. Augustine that famous and learned piller of Christ his holy Church whoe being troubled with heretiques and renegates in his time as we are now which inueighed against Rome and her Bishops as ours doe for alwayes the malefactour detesteth the lawful iudge warneth Christians not to thinke the worse of the authoritie and docttrine of the Bishoppe of Rome or of his sée Apostolicke if at any time his lyfe should be wicked or if heretiques which alwayes séeke to slaunder him should bring matter of truth towching euil lyfe against him Wherefore hauinge reckoned vpp for proofe of his faith the succession of Bishops of Rome from S. Peter vnto Anastasius which was Pope in his time and confirmed the infallibilitie of that succession by the promise of Christ to S. Peter Vpon this rocke wil I buyld my Church c. Math 16. He addeth To this order of Bishoppes of Rome which is deriued from Peter to Anastasius Aug. epist. 165. ad gene which now sitteth in the same chaire if any traytour in those times had crepte in A wiked Pope spottethe not the popedome yet should it haue bene noe preiudice to the Church and to innocent Christians to whome our Lord forseeing sayed of euil prelates Doe as they say but doe not as they doe for they say and doe not Math. 23. And this Christ sayed to the end that the hope of the faythfull should be certayne and neuer shaken with the tempest of sacri●egious scisme beinge placed in God and not in man By which wordes we sée that the euill lyfe of anye Bishoppe of Rome ought not to deminishe our reuerence or obedience towardes him noe more then if he were a Sainte But in an other place S. Austen dealinge agaynst a raylinge heretique as I doe nowe handleth this matter more properly to our case If all our Bishops sayeth he to Petilian the Donatiste through out the world were such as thou most vaynely doest cauill yet what hath the chayre of the Church of Rome done agaynst thee in which Peter sate The Bishoppe of Rome sitteth in Peters chayre which heretickes call the chayre of pestilence and in which at this day Anastatius doth sitt why doest thow call the chayre or see apostolicke the chayre of pestilence If thow doe it for the men whom thow thinkest to speake the Law but not to doe it did our Lord Iesus Christ wrong or iniure the chayre wherein the Pharases sate for the Pharases of whom notwithstand●ng he sayed They say and doe not Math. 23. Did not he commend that chayre by Moyses and yet reseruing the honour to the chayre reproued the Pharasees For he sayeth They sitt on Moyses chayre Doe as they say but not as they doe for they say and doe not If you heretickes would thinke on these things Apply this to our time you would neuer blaspheme the chayre apostolicke in whose communion you are not for the men whome you infame But what is this other then not to know what to say and yet you can not but speake euill This farre S. Austen against Iohn Nicols and his felowes whoe fill vp bookes with reproches and slaunders of the Bishoppe of Rome But now let vs sée what this accuser bringeth in particuler against his benefactour the Bishop of Rome for I will passe ouer al general reproches wherein ech hereticke aboundeth according to the measure of his owne inuention Firste he chargeth this Pope The first crime obiected by Iohn Nicolls againste 〈◊〉 Pope with takinge away certaine marchandize from Turkes in his hauen of Ancona whereupon ensewed the lyke intreatie towards Christians from Turks in Constantinople But this is a false charge fayned of him selfe or receaued from some his lyke in some tauerne vppon the way as he passed by For the Pope hath no league at all or truce with the Turkes whereby ether Turkes repayre to his dominions or his subiectes to the Turkes Wherefore if he stayed any Turkishe vesle at al as I can not learne that he did it must néedes be some pyrate and not any marchant Whereby it appeareth that which he addeth to be of his owne inuention that the Turkish Empe●our should writ a letter to the Pope desiringe restitution of his goodes and yet could not get it whereby he was enforced to stay Christians goodes in Constantinople c. This I say is inuented to bring the Pope in hatred For first the Emperour of Turkes vseth not to write letters to Princes of so smale matters as the stayinge of one priuate shippe is and much lesse to the Pope with whom he hath no league as is sayed Secondly if he had writen any such letters it had bene harde for Iohn Nicols to know it beinge of so bas● an estate in those countries as he was excepte onely by some tauerne or barbers shoppe where princes matters are more talked of then vnderstood Thirdly if the Turkishe Emperour had wroten as Iohn Nicols saieth yet is it not credible that the Pope would haue sturred him agaynst

Church true against heretickes Now then let vs examine bréefly both our marks and those of our aduersaries accordinge to these thrée properties and conditions● Our aduersaries bring two principal markes Cal. li. 4. in ca● 1. num 7. 8.9 whereby they would haue the true Church to be tryed the one is the true vse of Sacramentes the other the true interpretatiō and preaching of God his word which two thinges alb●it they be pri●iledges of the true Church and onely found in the same yet can they be no external markes to shew vnto vs the saied Church Heretical markes re●uted for that they want al those thrée properties of true markes before recited For first they are as vnknowen to vs as the thinge we séeke for it being as hard and obscure and as much in cōtrouersie who doe preach the worde sincerely and administer the Sacramentes aright as it is whi●h is the true Church Secondly these two thinges are not soe proper to the true Church but that euery heretical congregation may and doth in the sight of the world chalēg the same vnto it selfe consequētly it can not be a good marke to distinguishe their cōgregations from the true Church Thirdly the holy Fathers did neuer vse thes two marks against the hereticks of their time but rather did reiect thē when they were brought for marks by hereticks as they are now Li. 3. ca. 19. de bap con Don. ep 48. ad Rog. li. 1. ca. 29. cont Cresc as it may appeare by S. Austē in diuers places against the Donatists Rogatistes and other here●ickes which did labour as he sayeth That their error may be named truth ther wikednes iustice for the sacramēts scripturs which they hold for a shew not to saluation The Catholickes on the other side doe alleag more certaine easie and manifest marks for trial of the Church which markes haue al the properties before recited albeit they vse to bring 15. or 16● s●ueral notes or signes al foūded in the scripturs by vew wherof it is most esie to discerne the true Church from al other yet for breuities sake I wil name only fower thrée whereof are impugned by Iohn Nicolls in his booke The first marke is that the true Church is Catholicke as our Créed teacheth vs 1 Catholicke Au● ep 170. ad Seuer Lirin li. aduer here which word S. Austē expoundeth thus The Catholicke Church is that which is spread ouer the whole world an other father not long a●ter him expon̄deth that to be the Catholike or vniuersal Church which holdeth that faithe ●ero dial con Lucif Pacian ep ● ad Simp. Aug. li de vera religi cap. 7 tract 118. in Ioh. in psal 49. 147. li. 2. cont Pet. cap. 55. ser. 131. de tempore that hath bene h●lde generally by Christians euerye where and in all times since the beginning● And generally al the holy Fathers doe vse and vrge this marke against all heretiques prouing that church onlye to be the true church which being planted by the Apostles and their successors was spread ouer al partes of the world or the chéefe partes therof wherby it tooke the name of Catholique and that all other congregations which afterwarde began in corners or by some one or fewe men contrarie to the more parte of Christianitie can not be the true Church but hereticall Sinagogues Li. de vtili cre cap. 7. Whereas there be many heresies amongest Christians saith S. Austen and all wil seeme to be catholiques calling other men heretiques besides them selues the Catholique Churche is but one more plentifull in multitude if we consider the whole world as al men will graunt And againe Ep. 165. ad gen If an Angel frō heauen should saye leaue the Christianitie of the whole world and hould the partes of Donatus he ought to be accursed for that he goeth about to cutt thee from the whole and to thrust thee into a part And againe Li. 4. de simb ca. 10. Whatsoeuer Congregation of heresie sitteth in a Corner she is a harlot and noe mother Now whether this marke agrée to our churche or theirs let our aduersaries iudge The second marke of the true church is Antiquitie 2 Antiquitie For as God was before the diuel and as the good séede was sowē in the gospel before the cockle Math. 13. soe was Christ his true church before al heresie and al heresies haue sprong vp since our Catholique faithe was planted whiche thing may be shewed in this māner See of this Aug. li. cō Ep. funda cap. 4. Ierō ep ad Pam. Ocean dial con Lucif Hillar li. 6. de trin ante medium For that in euery notable change or alteration of religion these six thinges maye be shewed First the authore of that newe religion secōdly the new doctrine which he taught thirdly the time when he began fowerthly the place or coūtrie wher he began fiftly that some men resisted and impugned this newe doctrine at the beginning sixthly that some other fewe men first began to embrace the same And al these six thinges we can shewe in euery heresie since Christes time as also of the doctrine of our aduersaries But they can neuer shewe the same of the beginning of our doctrine And therfore it appeareth that their doctrine is new and h●retical and ours auncient and Catholique This argument of antiquitie al the Fathers haue vsed against heretiques of their time Lib. de prescrip con here What are you saith Tertuliā to certaine heretiques whēce whē came you where haue you beene hidden soe longe Lib. 2. And Optatus against Parmenian Shew the beginning of your chayre which will challenge the holy Church vnto you The third marke vsed by the ould Fathers to know the true Church 3 Succession is succession of Bishopes frō the Apostles time especially in the sea of Rome Lib. 3. con her cap. 3. For so saieth Ireneus aboue 1300 yeares past reconinge vpp all the Bishopes of Rome from S. Péeter vnto his time And adding that by that succession of Bishopes all heretiques were confounded The same saythe Tertulian Lib. de prescrip Let heretiques laye forthe the beginninge of their churches let them tourne ouer the order of their Bishopes comminge doune by succession● cet Epi. her 27. Epiphanius also vseth this argument of reconing vpp the Bishopes of Rome for proofe of the Catholiqu● faythe and confutation of heresie The like dothe Optatus and S. Augustine against the Donatistes Oopt li. 2. cont Pa●m Au. ●p 165. 42. Willing them to doe the like if they meane to aquite them selues from heresie And the reasone of this is for the Christ leauing his Churche to be gouerned by his Apostles whiche were Bishopes and they by their successors whosoeuer came in afterward not by this lawfull and ordinarie dore of ordination succession Iohn 10 except he bring extraordinarie