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A04540 A Christian plea conteyning three treatises. I. The first, touching the Anabaptists, & others mainteyning some like errours with them. II. The second, touching such Christians, as now are here, commonly called Remonstrants or Arminians. III. The third, touching the Reformed Churches, with vvhom my self agree in the faith of the Gospel of our Lord Iesus Christ. Made by Francis Iohnson, pastour of the auncient English Church, now sojourning at Amsterdam in the Low Countreyes. Johnson, Francis, 1562-1618. 1617 (1617) STC 14661; ESTC S107828 395,581 331

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angel_n or_o messenger_n of_o the_o lord_n as_o the_o jew_n also_o still_o make_v two_o sort_n of_o angel_n one_o of_o they_o who_o they_o call_v gnelionim_n because_o they_o have_v their_o dwell_n in_o the_o high_a place_n that_o be_v in_o the_o heaven_n and_o the_o other_o of_o they_o who_o they_o call_v tachtonim_n as_o it_o be_v low_a or_o inferior_a and_o such_o be_v the_o prophet_n and_o priest_n say_v drusius_n allege_v this_o in_o his_o annotation_n on_o the_o new_a testament_n rev._n 1.20_o beside_o that_o in_o the_o family_n and_o tribe_n of_o israel_n and_o among_o the_o priest_n and_o levite_n also_o they_o have_v a_o orderly_a constitution_n and_o according_a to_o the_o distribution_n of_o they_o some_o that_o be_v head_n and_o chief_a among_o they_o as_o may_v be_v see_v in_o the_o scripture_n here_o before_o allege_a p._n 263._o v._o order_n itself_o likewise_o beside_o necessity_n often_o fall_v out_o require_v that_o there_o be_v some_o one_o who_o in_o regard_n of_o his_o place_n office_n or_o condition_n may_v call_v together_o the_o other_o elder_n and_o unto_o who_o they_o may_v resort_v who_o also_o with_o they_o may_v call_v the_o whole_a church_n together_o as_o there_o be_v occasion_n and_o of_o who_o the_o chief_a or_o special_a oversight_n of_o the_o church_n the_o moderation_n and_o disposition_n of_o the_o affair_n thereof_o may_v be_v require_v to_o who_o moreover_o the_o letter_n may_v be_v direct_v and_o deliver_v and_o other_o special_a thing_n show_v and_o advertise_v which_o perteyne_a to_o the_o general_a or_o public_a estate_n of_o the_o church_n as_o we_o see_v be_v do_v by_o christ_n himself_o to_o the_o angel_n of_o the_o seven_o church_n in_o asia_n rev._n 2.1.8_o etc._n etc._n whereabout_o also_o the_o epistle_n send_v to_o timothee_n and_o titus_n may_v have_v their_o due_a consideration_n in_o this_o behalf_n and_o that_o which_o be_v note_v concern_v james_n and_o the_o elder_n of_o the_o church_n at_o jerusalem_n act._n 21.18_o with_o 2_o king_n 6_o 32._o and_o hereunto_o do_v thus_o far_o forth_o the_o most_o learned_a agree_v in_o the_o reform_a church_n albeit_o that_o yet_o themselves_o many_o of_o they_o have_v not_o one_o particular_a pastor_n in_o their_o several_a church_n m._n beza_n answer_v saravia_n affirm_v *_o that_o by_o god_n perpetual_a ordinance_n it_o have_v be_v be_v and_o will_v be_v needful_a 153._o beza_n respon_n ad_fw-la sarav_n c._n 23_o fol._n 153._o that_o in_o the_o presbytery_n or_o eldership_n some_o one_o chief_a in_o place_n and_o dignity_n shall_v govern_v and_o rule_v the_o action_n with_o that_o right_n which_o be_v give_v unto_o he_o of_o god_n otherwise_o let_v it_o be_v well_o consider_v whether_o there_o will_v not_o be_v some_o defect_n in_o the_o order_n &_o constitution_n of_o the_o church_n which_o see_v it_o be_v ordain_v by_o christ_n the_o lord_n it_o be_v certain_o most_o perfect_a in_o itself_o if_o we_o can_v aright_o observe_v it_o and_o every_o way_n absolute_a and_o how_o profitable_a and_o needful_a the_o observation_n of_o this_o matter_n be_v may_v moreover_o then_o easy_o be_v perceive_v when_o controversy_n arise_v as_o divers_a time_n come_v to_o pass_v either_o among_o the_o elder_n alone_o or_o in_o the_o church_n itself_o beside_o that_o the_o continual_a oversight_n &_o care_n of_o other_o the_o church_n affair_n and_o the_o due_a administration_n of_o the_o holy_a thing_n of_o god_n in_o all_o good_a sort_n may_v thus_o be_v right_o perform_v and_o agreable_o to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n vi_o to_o the_o same_o end_n may_v more_o special_o be_v observe_v the_o estate_n of_o the_o church_n of_o ephesus_n in_o the_o apostle_n time_n the_o overseer_n and_o elder_n of_o which_o church_n be_v in_o four_o several_a place_n speak_v of_o in_o special_a manner_n viz._n act._n 20_o 17_o 28._o ephes_n 4_o 11_o 12._o with_o 1_o 1._o 1_o tim._n 5_o 17._o with_o 1_o 3._o and_o 3_o 1_o 15._o rev._n 2_o 1._o with_o 1_o 11_o 16_o 20._o 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those_o also_o distinct_a the_o one_o from_o the_o other_o in_o the_o four_o and_o last_o place_n viz._n rev._n 2_o 1._o there_o be_v mention_n in_o particular_a of_o the_o angel_n of_o the_o church_n of_o ephesus_n who_o beza_n understand_v and_o expound_v to_o be_v the_o precedent_n who_o be_v first_o to_o have_v warning_n of_o those_o thing_n and_o by_o he_o the_o rest_n of_o his_o colleage_n &_o the_o whole_a church_n bez._n annot_v in_o rev._n 2_o 1._o so_o piscator_fw-la likewise_o expound_v it_o to_o the_o angel_n that_o be_v to_o the_o bishop_n of_o the_o church_n of_o ephesus_n and_o also_o to_o the_o church_n itself_o as_o appear_v by_o the_o word_n ver_fw-la 7._o piscat_fw-la analys_n &_o schol._n in_o apoc._n 2_o 1._o napier_n say_v to_o the_o angel_n that_o be_v to_o the_o pastor_n or_o minister_n of_o the_o church_n of_o ephesus_n napier_n in_o rev._n 2_o 1._o and_o bullinger_n say_v the_o angel_n be_v the_o ambassador_n of_o god_n even_o the_o pastor_n of_o the_o church_n bull_v contion_n 6._o in_o apoc._n and_o again_o speak_v of_o the_o church_n of_o smyrna_n he_o say_v the_o heavenly_a letter_n be_v direct_v to_o the_o angel_n of_o the_o church_n of_o smyrna_n that_o be_v to_o the_o pastor_n now_o the_o story_n witness_v that_o angel_n and_o pastor_n of_o the_o church_n of_o smyrna_n to_o have_v be_v polycarpus_n ordain_v bishop_n of_o the_o apostle_n themselves_o i_o mean_v by_o s._n john_n ibid._n concione_fw-la 9_o also_o among_o the_o elder_a writer_n augustine_n say_v by_o the_o divine_a voice_n the_o ruler_n of_o the_o church_n of_o ephesus_n be_v praise_v under_o the_o name_n of_o a_o angel_n august_n epist_n 162._o and_o gregory_n say_v the_o preacher_n in_o the_o scripture_n be_v sometime_o call_v angel_n as_o the_o prophet_n say_v 2.7_o say_v mal._n 2.7_o the_o lip_n of_o the_o priest_n shall_v keep_v knowledge_n and_o they_o shall_v seek_v the_o law_n at_o his_o mouth_n for_o he_o be_v the_o angel_n or_o messenger_n of_o the_o 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all_o that_o bear_v witness_v against_o they_o and_o hitherto_o concern_v the_o first_o branch_n of_o this_o question_n now_o for_o the_o other_o point_n of_o the_o question_n there_o be_v allege_v about_o it_o both_o scripture_n etc._n m._n sm._n differ_v pag._n 23_o etc._n etc._n m._n parker_n polit._n eccles_n l._n 3._o c._n 18._o p._n 236._o etc._n etc._n and_o record_v of_o ancient_a writer_n the_o scripture_n be_v these_o and_o the_o like_a act._n 20.17.28_o phi._n 1.1_o 1_o thes_n 5.12_o 1_o tim._n 3._o and_o tit._n 1_o ch_n 1_o pet._n 5.1_o 4._o which_o be_v allege_v to_o show_v that_o the_o primitive_a church_n have_v many_o elder_n in_o one_o church_n which_o be_v grant_v and_o those_o also_o all_o alike_o &_o therefore_o that_o they_o have_v not_o one_o special_a
can_v the_o catholic_a church_n of_o rome_n as_o they_o call_v it_o and_o the_o universal_a bishop_n thereof_o i_o omit_v as_o be_v antichristian_a most_o of_o all_o and_o just_o leave_v by_o the_o protestant_n and_o reform_a church_n though_o yet_o far_o more_o in_o some_o respect_n may_v be_v pretend_v for_o this_o from_o the_o state_n of_o jerusalem_n &_o the_o high_a priest_n that_o be_v for_o the_o universal_a church_n then_o for_o the_o diocesan_n or_o provincial_n church_n and_o bishop_n if_o any_o allege_v in_o this_o behalf_n as_o some_o use_n to_o do_v the_o example_n of_o timothee_n abide_v at_o ephesus_n and_z titus_n leave_v at_o crete_n by_o the_o appointment_n of_o the_o apostle_n for_o the_o oversight_n and_o government_n of_o those_o church_n etc._n etc._n &_o the_o subscription_n also_o of_o those_o epistle_n wherein_o both_o of_o they_o be_v style_v the_o first_o bishop_n of_o those_o church_n let_v these_o thing_n be_v observe_v thereabouts_o 1._o that_o those_o 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achaia_n at_o rome_n in_o italy_n in_o creta_n and_o dalmatia_n in_o greece_n etc._n etc._n and_o sometime_o in_o asia_n as_o at_o jerusalem_n in_o judea_n at_o nicopolis_n in_o armenia_n etc._n etc._n as_o be_v evident_a by_o these_o scripture_n 2_o cor._n 8_o 23_o 24._o and_o 12_o 18._o gal_n 2.1_o 2_o tim._n 4.10_o tit._n 1_o 4_o 5._o and_o 3.12_o with_o the_o whole_a epistle_n to_o titus_n by_o which_o also_o appear_v that_o timothee_n and_o titus_n be_v evangelist_n &_o so_o employ_v by_o the_o apostle_n paul_n sundry_a time_n and_o in_o sundry_a place_n 5._o beside_o the_o church_n of_o ephesus_n be_v a_o particular_a &_o not_o a_o diocesan_n or_o provincial_n church_n as_o may_v appear_v both_o by_o the_o place_n where_o it_o be_v particular_o speak_v off_o act_v 20_o 17_o 28._o ephes_n 1.1_o 1_o tim._n 1.3_o and_o 3.15_o rev._n 1_o 11.12_o and_o 2.1_o &_o by_o the_o like_a estate_n of_o the_o other_o church_n of_o asia_n write_v unto_o by_o christ_n rev._n 1.4.11.12.13.16.20_o and_o 2.8.12.18_o and_o 3.17.14_o compare_v with_o col._n 4.16_o and_o so_o this_o touch_v not_o the_o point_n in_o hand_n creta_n in_o deed_n be_v a_o island_n wherein_o be_v divers_a city_n but_o in_o every_o of_o they_o be_v elder_n and_o bishop_n ordain_v as_o be_v here_o plain_o express_v tit._n 1_o 5_o 6_o 7._o etc._n etc._n and_o by_o this_o scripture_n it_o seem_v that_o when_o the_o apostle_n depart_v from_o thence_o all_o thing_n be_v not_o yet_o finish_v among_o they_o whereupon_o he_o leave_v titus_n behind_o he_o to_o set_v in_o order_n the_o thing_n that_o be_v want_v and_o to_o ordain_v elder_n and_o bishop_n in_o every_o city_n wherein_o what_o other_o thing_n do_v titus_n than_o what_o any_o other_o evangelist_n so_o leave_v there_o may_v have_v do_v which_o also_o the_o apostle_n himself_o may_v and_o will_v have_v do_v if_o he_o have_v remain_v there_o long_o and_o yet_o have_v be_v a_o apostle_n still_o though_o for_o the_o time_n or_o by_o that_o occasion_n he_o 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