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church_n have_v such_o elder_n as_o we_o read_v to_o have_v be_v in_o the_o jewish_a church_n whereof_o daniel_n be_v one_o and_o of_o they_o he_o seem_v to_o mean_v a_o little_a before_o habet_fw-la etc._n etc._n the_o church_n also_o have_v judge_n who_o can_v agree_v brother_n and_o brother_n 10._o chrysostome_n compare_v the_o church_n to_o a_o house_n because_o as_o in_o a_o house_n there_o be_v wife_n child_n and_o servant_n and_o the_o care_n or_o government_n of_o all_o be_v incumbent_n to_o the_o master_n of_o the_o family_n so_o be_v it_o in_o the_o church_n wherein_o beside_o the_o ruler_n of_o the_o same_o nothing_o be_v to_o be_v see_v but_o as_o it_o be_v wife_n child_n and_o servant_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d but_o if_o the_o governor_n of_o the_o church_n say_v he_o have_v fellow_n or_o consort_n in_o the_o government_n thereof_o so_o have_v the_o man_n also_o the_o wife_n to_o be_v his_o consort_n in_o the_o government_n of_o his_o house_n if_o it_o be_v say_v that_o by_o the_o ruler_n of_o the_o church_n he_o mean_v the_o bishop_n and_o by_o his_o consort_n preach_v presbyter_n who_o be_v the_o bishop_n helper_n in_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n i_o answer_v if_o we_o understand_v by_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o bishop_n 11._o than_o we_o make_v chrysostome_n contradict_v himself_o for_o in_o his_o next_o homily_n he_o show_v plain_o that_o presbyter_n have_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o rule_n of_o the_o church_n as_o well_o as_o bishop_n and_o that_o the_o whole_a purpose_n of_o his_o former_a homily_n agree_v to_o presbyter_n no_o less_o than_o bishop_n now_o then_o who_o be_v the_o consort_n which_o pastor_n of_o church_n or_o preach_v elder_n have_v in_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n can_v they_o be_v any_o other_o then_o rule_v elder_n hierome_n upon_o that_o place_n of_o isaiah_n say_v et_fw-la nos_fw-la habemus_fw-la in_o ecclesia_fw
senatum_fw-la nostrum_fw-la coetum_fw-la presbyterorum_fw-la cum_fw-la ergo_fw-la inter_fw-la cetera_fw-la etiam_fw-la senes_fw-la â—udea_n perdiderit_fw-la quomodo_fw-la poterit_fw-la habere_fw-la concilium_fw-la quod_fw-la proprie_fw-la seniorum_fw-la est_fw-la and_o what_o sense_n shall_v we_o give_v to_o these_o word_n unless_o we_o say_v it_o be_v import_v that_o both_o the_o jewish_a and_o the_o christian_a church_n have_v such_o a_o eldership_n as_o we_o plead_v for_o else_o why_o do_v both_o he_o and_o basil_n make_v such_o a_o parallel_n betwixt_o the_o jewish_a and_o the_o christian_a church_n in_o the_o point_n of_o elder_n sure_o if_o we_o understand_v by_o the_o elder_n of_o the_o christian_a church_n whereof_o they_o speak_v the_o minister_n of_o the_o word_n alone_o we_o must_v also_o understand_v by_o the_o elder_n of_o the_o jewish_a church_n whereof_o they_o speak_v the_o priest_n which_o no_o man_n will_v imagine_v 23._o eusebius_n in_o his_o history_n cit_v dionysiuâ—_n alexandrinus_n relate_v his_o dispute_n with_o the_o chiliast_n after_o this_o manner_n when_o i_o be_v at_o arsenoiâ—a_n where_o thou_o know_v this_o doctrine_n first_o spring_v etc._n etc._n i_o call_v together_o the_o elder_n and_o teacher_n inhabit_v those_o village_n there_o be_v present_a also_o as_o many_o of_o the_o brethren_n as_o be_v willing_a to_o come_v and_o i_o exâ—orted_v they_o public_o to_o the_o search_n of_o this_o doctrine_n etc._n etc._n by_o the_o teacher_n here_o be_v mean_v the_o pastor_n or_o minister_n of_o the_o word_n who_o be_v most_o frequent_o call_v by_o the_o father_n teacher_n or_o doctor_n neither_o can_v it_o be_v suppose_v that_o there_o be_v any_o teacher_n beside_o the_o pastor_n in_o these_o rural_a village_n which_o notwithstanding_o we_o see_v have_v beside_o their_o pastor_n or_o teacher_n elder_n also_o augustine_n write_v his_o 137._o epistle_n to_o those_o of_o his_o own_o church_n at_o hippon_n who_o he_o design_v thus_o 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of_o age_n or_o of_o office_n if_o it_o be_v a_o name_n of_o age_n as_o may_v be_v presume_v by_o the_o opposition_n thereof_o to_o juniores_fw-la than_o the_o meaning_n of_o ambrose_n be_v that_o young_a man_n shall_v not_o go_v into_o the_o house_n of_o virgin_n or_o widow_n except_o it_o be_v with_o some_o man_n of_o age_n and_o these_o to_o be_v the_o bishop_n or_o the_o presbyter_n if_o â—t_a be_v a_o name_n of_o office_n theâ—_n may_v we_o either_o understand_v that_o by_o the_o presbyter_n he_o mean_v rule_v elder_n and_o by_o the_o bishop_n the_o pastor_n of_o any_o particular_a church_n 〈◊〉_d for_o if_o whitaker_n be_v not_o deceive_v pastor_n have_v the_o name_n of_o bishop_n not_o only_o in_o scripture_n but_o in_o the_o ancient_a church_n also_o or_o that_o he_o comprehend_v under_o the_o order_n of_o elder_n not_o only_o the_o preach_a presbyter_n but_o the_o bishop_n also_o who_o be_v chief_a among_o they_o by_o the_o first_o sense_n bilson_n do_v gain_v nothing_o by_o the_o other_o two_o he_o have_v worse_a than_o nothing_o for_o any_o of_o they_o destroy_v his_o chief_a ground_n chap._n x._o the_o consent_n of_o protestant_a writer_n and_o
flock_n according_a to_o this_o gloss_n for_o peter_n oppose_v the_o lording_n over_o the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d to_o be_v ensample_n to_o the_o flock_n sure_o if_o this_o popish_a gloss_n be_v true_a protestant_n in_o their_o commentary_n and_o sermon_n have_v go_v wide_a from_o that_o text._n but_o mathias_n the_o apostle_n be_v choose_v by_o lot_n 26_o what_o then_o by_o what_o reason_n do_v the_o canon_n law_n draw_v from_o hence_o a_o name_n common_a to_o all_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o gospel_n cleros_fw-la let_v 〈◊〉_d then_o banish_v from_o we_o such_o popish_a name_n and_o send_v they_o home_o to_o rome_n 1._o bellarmin_n think_v we_o have_v do_v so_o long_o ere_o now_o for_o he_o make_v this_o one_o of_o his_o controvert_v head_n whether_o we_o may_v right_o call_v some_o christian_n the_o clergy_n and_o other_o the_o laity_n or_o not_o ascribe_v the_o negative_a to_o protestant_n the_o affirmative_a to_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n yet_o beside_o the_o clergy_n and_o the_o laity_n clerie_n papist_n hold_v that_o there_o be_v a_o three_o sort_n in_o the_o church_n distinct_a from_o both_o who_o they_o call_v regulares_fw-la these_o be_v such_o of_o their_o religious_a order_n as_o be_v not_o take_v up_o with_o contemplation_n alone_o like_o the_o monk_n but_o with_o action_n 1._o such_o as_o the_o dominican_n franciscan_n etc._n etc._n who_o help_n and_o assist_v the_o clergy_n in_o their_o ecclesiastical_a employment_n though_o they_o themselves_o be_v not_o admit_v into_o any_o particular_a charge_n in_o the_o church_n now_o he_o who_o will_v needs_o side_n with_o the_o papist_n in_o the_o distinction_n of_o clergy_n and_o laity_n may_v also_o with_o they_o admit_v a_o three_o member_n of_o the_o distinction_n and_o make_v roll_a elder_n of_o that_o sort_n especial_o since_o the_o reason_n why_o the_o regular_a chanoin_n be_v assume_v as_o helper_n to_o parish_n priest_n 4._o be_v propter_fw-la multitudinem_fw-la fidelis_fw-la populi_fw-la &_o difficultatem_fw-la invenâ—endi_fw-la curatos_fw-la sufficientes_fw-la &_o idoneos_fw-la say_v cardinal_n cajetan_n add_v further_o male_a consultum_fw-la populo_fw-la christiano_n invenitur_fw-la sine_fw-la hujusmodi_fw-la supplemento_fw-la which_o reason_n agree_v well_o to_o rule_v elder_n for_o 1._o parish_n contain_v so_o many_o that_o the_o minister_n can_v oversee_v all_o and_o every_o one_o without_o help_n 2._o sufficient_a and_o fit_a minister_n shall_v hardly_o be_v every_o where_o find_v 3._o it_o be_v find_v by_o experience_n that_o sin_n and_o scandal_n be_v never_o well_o take_v need_n to_o and_o redress_v where_o rule_v elder_n be_v not_o to_o let_v all_o this_o pass_n if_o any_o man_n will_v needs_o retain_v the_o name_n of_o lay_v elder_n 28._o yet_o say_v gersomus_n bucerus_n what_o aspersion_n be_v that_o to_o our_o church_n be_v it_o any_o other_o thing_n then_o that_o which_o papist_n object_v to_o we_o for_o admit_v lay_v man_n into_o counsel_n they_o who_o have_v place_n in_o the_o high_a and_o most_o supreme_a assembly_n of_o the_o church_n wherein_o the_o weighty_a matter_n be_v determine_v ought_v much_o more_o to_o be_v admit_v into_o inferior_a meeting_n such_o as_o presbytery_n be_v but_o if_o we_o will_v speak_v with_o scripture_n we_o shall_v call_v they_o rule_v elder_n rom._n 12.8_o he_o that_o rule_v 1_o tim._n 5.17_o elder_n that_o rule_v well_o they_o be_v call_v rule_v elder_n non_fw-la quia_fw-la soli_fw-la sed_fw-la quia_fw-la solum_fw-la praesunt_fw-la pastor_n rule_n the_o church_n even_o as_o they_o do_v but_o pastor_n do_v something_o more_o from_o which_o they_o may_v be_v design_v whereas_o the_o elder_n of_o which_o we_o be_v to_o speak_v have_v no_o other_o employment_n which_o can_v give_v they_o a_o designation_n except_o the_o rule_n of_o the_o church_n only_o that_o wicked_a railer_n lisimâ—chus_n nicanor_n who_o assume_v the_o name_n but_o forget_v to_o put_v on_o the_o vizorne_n of_o a_o jesuit_n in_o his_o congratulatory_a i_o shall_v say_v calumniatory_a epistle_n pag._n 61._o allege_v that_o they_o be_v call_v rule_v elder_n because_o the_o minister_n be_v their_o rule_a elder_n if_o he_o be_v a_o jesuit_n he_o may_v remember_v that_o in_o their_o own_o society_n beside_o their_o priest_n doctor_n preacher_n confessionary_n etc._n etc._n they_o have_v also_o rectores_fw-la 68_o or_o regentes_fw-la who_o office_n it_o be_v to_o see_v the_o rule_n of_o their_o order_n keep_v to_o observe_v the_o behaviour_n of_o every_o one_o &_o when_o they_o perceive_v any_o seed_n of_o heresy_n to_o signify_v the_o same_o to_o the_o provincial_n and_o he_o to_o the_o general_n yet_o be_v these_o rectores_fw-la among_o the_o low_a rank_n of_o their_o officer_n so_o that_o jesuit_n need_v not_o stumble_v when_o we_o call_v our_o eldersrul_a elder_n chap._n ii_o of_o the_o function_n of_o rule_v elder_n and_o what_o sort_n of_o officer_n they_o be_v 4._o notwithstanding_o of_o all_o the_o multiplicity_n of_o popish_a order_n yet_o peter_n lombard_n tread_v the_o vestige_n of_o the_o primitive_a simplicity_n do_v observe_v that_o the_o apostle_n leave_v only_o two_o sacred_a order_n to_o be_v perpetual_a in_o the_o church_n the_o order_n of_o deacon_n &_o the_o order_n of_o elder_n the_o administration_n of_o deacon_n be_v exercise_v about_o thing_n bodily_a the_o administration_n of_o elder_n about_o thing_n spiritual_a the_o former_a about_o the_o good_n the_o latter_a about_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n now_o elder_n be_v of_o three_o sort_n 1._o preach_v elder_n or_o pastor_n 2._o teach_v elder_n or_o doctor_n 3._o rule_v elder_n all_o these_o be_v elder_n because_o they_o have_v voice_n in_o presbytery_n and_o all_o assembly_n of_o the_o church_n and_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n be_v incumbent_a to_o they_o all_o nor_o only_a to_o the_o pastor_n and_o elder_a but_o to_o the_o doctor_n also_o the_o bishop_n of_o dune_n in_o his_o examen_fw-la 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manner_n of_o his_o flock_n and_o that_o in_o season_n and_o out_o of_o season_n as_o he_o know_v their_o particular_a case_n to_o require_v the_o doctor_n labour_v in_o the_o word_n of_o doctrine_n that_o be_v without_o such_o application_n as_o the_o pastor_n use_v by_o simple_a teach_n he_o preserve_v the_o truth_n and_o sound_a interpretation_n of_o the_o scripture_n against_o all_o heresy_n and_o error_n the_o roll_a elder_n do_v neither_o of_o these_o but_o labour_v in_o the_o government_n and_o policy_n of_o the_o church_n only_o the_o apostle_n have_v distinguish_v these_o three_o sort_n of_o elder_n 1._o tim._n 5.17_o let_v elder_n that_o rule_v well_o be_v count_v worthy_a of_o double_a honour_n especial_o they_o who_o labour_n in_o the_o word_n and_o doctrine_n where_o as_o beza_n note_v he_o distinguish_v the_o word_n which_o be_v the_o pastor_n part_n from_o doctrine_n which_o be_v the_o doctor_n part_n even_o as_o rom._n 12.7.8_o he_o distinguish_v teach_v from_o 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dead_a in_o sin_n to_o be_v mean_v but_o holy_a man_n who_o be_v endue_v with_o faith_n in_o god_n and_o walk_v in_o his_o obedience_n god_n authorise_v they_o and_o the_o church_n his_o spouse_n choose_v and_o call_v they_o undertake_v the_o government_n thereof_o that_o they_o may_v labour_v to_o the_o conservation_n and_o edification_n of_o the_o same_o in_o christ_n 3._o say_v junius_n a_o roll_a elder_n shall_v pray_v for_o the_o spirit_n and_o gift_n of_o his_o call_n that_o he_o may_v do_v the_o duty_n of_o his_o call_n and_o not_o be_v like_o he_o that_o play_v the_o sultan_n but_o a_o souter_n he_o must_v do_v his_o office_n neither_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o pro_fw-la forma_fw-la he_o himself_o being_n parcus_n deorum_n caltor_n &_o infrequens_fw-la nor_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d do_v all_o through_o contention_n and_o strife_n about_o particular_n tuum_fw-la si_fw-mi duo_fw-la de_fw-la nostras_fw-la tollas_fw-la pro_fw-la nomina_fw-la rebus_fw-la 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the_o ordination_n of_o rule_v elder_n of_o the_o continuance_n of_o their_o office_n and_o of_o their_o maintenance_n touch_v the_o first_o of_o these_o it_o can_v be_v deny_v but_o as_o election_n to_o the_o office_n so_o ordination_n to_o the_o exercise_n thereof_o be_v a_o thing_n common_a both_o to_o preach_v and_o rule_v elder_n howbeit_o in_o scotland_n imposition_n of_o hand_n be_v not_o use_v in_o the_o ordination_n of_o rule_v elder_n as_o it_o be_v in_o the_o ordination_n of_o preach_v elder_n yet_o this_o be_v not_o to_o be_v think_v a_o defect_n in_o their_o ordination_n 13.19_o for_o imposition_n of_o hand_n be_v not_o a_o act_n but_o a_o sign_n of_o ordination_n neither_o be_v it_o a_o necessary_a sign_n but_o be_v leâ—t_o free_a it_o be_v not_o therefore_o without_o reason_n that_o calvin_n chemnitius_n gerard_n bucaâ—_n jaâ—iâ—_n bucerus_n and_o many_o other_o of_o our_o learned_a writer_n yea_o the_o archbishop_n of_o spalleto_n do_v all_o make_v a_o distinction_n betwixt_o the_o essential_a act_n of_o ordination_n and_o the_o external_a rite_n thereof_o hold_v that_o ordination_n may_v be_v full_a valid_a and_o complete_a not_o only_o without_o the_o unction_n use_v in_o the_o roman_a church_n but_o even_o without_o the_o lay_n on_o of_o hand_n use_v in_o the_o reform_a church_n after_o the_o election_n of_o rule_v elder_n with_o the_o notice_n &_o consent_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n there_o follow_v with_o we_o a_o public_a designation_n of_o the_o person_n so_o elect_v and_o a_o authoritative_a or_o potestative_a mission_n ordination_n or_o deputation_n of_o they_o unto_o their_o presbyterial_a function_n together_o with_o public_a exhortation_n unto_o they_o and_o prayer_n in_o the_o church_n for_o they_o which_o we_o conceive_v to_o be_v all_o that_o belonge_v either_o to_o the_o essence_n or_o integrity_n of_o ordination_n i_o mean_v not_o to_o condemn_v imposition_n of_o hand_n nor_o any_o other_o convenient_a sign_n in_o the_o ordination_n of_o rule_v elder_n only_o i_o intend_v to_o justify_v our_o own_o form_n as_o sufficient_a as_o for_o the_o maintenance_n and_o the_o continuance_n of_o the_o office_n of_o rule_v elder_n we_o love_v not_o unnecessary_a multiplication_n of_o question_n let_v every_o church_n do_v herein_o what_o they_o find_v most_o convenient_a the_o manner_n of_o our_o church_n in_o these_o thing_n be_v such_o as_o best_o be_v fit_v the_o condition_n of_o the_o same_o &_o such_o as_o can_v be_v in_o reason_n condemn_v neither_o be_v a_o stipend_n nor_o continuance_n in_o the_o function_n till_o death_n essential_a to_o the_o ministry_n of_o the_o church_n but_o separable_a from_o the_o same_o the_o levite_n of_o old_a serve_v not_o at_o all_o time_n but_o by_o course_n and_o when_o they_o be_v 50._o year_n old_a they_o be_v whole_o liberat_fw-la from_o the_o burden_n and_o labour_n though_o not_o from_o the_o attendance_n of_o the_o leviticall_a service_n and_o minister_n may_v still_o upon_o the_o church_n permission_n for_o lawful_a reason_n and_o urgent_a necessity_n be_v absent_a a_o whole_a year_n and_o long_a too_o from_o their_o particular_a charge_n the_o apostle_n when_o they_o be_v first_o send_v through_o judea_n take_v no_o stipend_n mat._n 10.8_o 9_o neither_o do_v paul_n take_v any_o at_o corinth_n 1_o cor._n 9.18_o the_o minister_n among_o the_o waldenses_n work_n with_o their_o hand_n for_o their_o maintenance_n the_o old_a patriarch_n be_v priest_n and_o preacher_n to_o their_o family_n and_o maintain_v themselves_o by_o the_o work_n of_o their_o hand_n feed_v of_o flock_n till_v the_o ground_n &c_n &c_n these_o thing_n i_o do_v not_o mention_v as_o rule_n to_o be_v follow_v by_o we_o but_o to_o show_v that_o the_o intermission_n of_o the_o exercise_n of_o the_o ministry_n the_o want_n of_o maintenance_n and_o labour_v with_o the_o hand_n be_v not_o altogether_o repugnant_a nor_o inconsistent_a with_o the_o nature_n of_o the_o vocation_n of_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o word_n but_o in_o some_o case_n hic_fw-mi &_o nunc_fw-la may_v be_v most_o approvable_a in_o they_o much_o more_o in_o rule_v elder_n the_o revenue_n of_o our_o church_n be_v so_o small_a that_o they_o can_v spare_v stipend_n to_o rule_v elder_n which_o make_v they_o willing_a to_o serve_v without_o stipend_n and_o lest_o they_o shall_v be_v overburden_v with_o this_o their_o service_n though_o they_o be_v choose_v and_o call_v to_o be_v rule_v elder_n as_o long_o as_o they_o live_v at_o least_o till_o they_o mâ—rit_v to_o be_v depose_v yet_o our_o book_n of_o policy_n allow_v they_o that_o ease_n of_o intermission_n and_o serve_v by_o course_n which_o be_v allow_v to_o the_o levit_n of_o old_a in_o the_o temple_n the_o double_a honour_n which_o the_o apostle_n command_v to_o give_v unto_o elder_n that_o rule_v well_o 5.17_o need_v not_o to_o be_v
any_o thing_n of_o that_o kind_n to_o the_o uncertainty_n of_o a_o occasional_a meeting_n 3_o the_o apostle_n be_v free_o present_a in_o any_o presbytery_n where_o they_o be_v for_o the_o time_n because_o the_o oversight_n and_o care_n of_o all_o the_o church_n be_v lay_v upon_o they_o pastor_n and_o elder_n be_v necessary_o present_a therein_o and_o do_v by_o virtue_n of_o their_o particular_a vocation_n meet_v together_o presbyterial_o whether_o a_o apostle_n be_v with_o they_o or_o not_o no_o other_o sense_n can_v the_o text_n suffer_v but_o that_o by_o presbytery_n we_o shall_v understand_v consessus_fw-la presbyterorum_fw-la a_o meeting_n of_o elder_n and_o so_o do_v camero_n and_o forbesse_n themselves_o expound_v it_o sutlivius_n object_v to_o the_o contrary_a that_o the_o apostle_n paul_n do_v lay_v on_o hand_n upon_o timothy_n which_o he_o prove_v both_o from_o 2._o tim._n 1._o and_o because_o extraordinary_a gift_n be_v give_v by_o that_o lay_n on_o of_o hand_n ans._n there_o be_v a_o express_a difference_n make_v betwixt_o paul_n lay_v on_o of_o his_o hand_n and_o the_o presbytery_n lay_v on_o of_o their_o hand_n of_o the_o former_a it_o be_v say_v that_o timothy_n receive_v the_o gift_n which_o be_v in_o he_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d by_o the_o lay_n on_o of_o paul_n hand_n but_o he_o receive_v the_o gift_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d with_o the_o lay_n on_o of_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o presbytery_n as_o didoclavius_n note_v but_o say_v sutlivius_n timothy_n be_v a_o evangelist_n as_o you_o hold_v how_o can_v he_o be_v ordain_v by_o the_o presbytery_n ans._n 1._o though_o the_o presbytery_n do_v neither_o give_v he_o ordination_n to_o be_v a_o evangelist_n nor_o yet_o confer_v by_o the_o lay_n on_o of_o their_o hand_n extraordinary_a gift_n upon_o he_o yet_o do_v they_o lie_v on_o their_o hand_n as_o set_v to_o the_o the_o seal_n and_o testimony_n and_o commend_v he_o to_o the_o grace_n of_o god_n even_o as_o certain_a prophet_n and_o teacher_n lay_v hand_n on_o paul_n and_o barnabas_n and_o ananias_n also_o before_o that_o time_n have_v lay_v his_o hand_n upon_o paul_n 2._o the_o presbytery_n may_v ordain_v timothy_n to_o be_v a_o elder_a if_o so_o be_v he_o be_v ordain_v a_o elder_a before_o he_o be_v ordain_v a_o evangelist_n 3._o if_o the_o testimony_n of_o the_o presbytery_n by_o the_o lay_n on_o of_o their_o hand_n together_o with_o the_o apostle_n hand_n in_o the_o extraordinary_a mission_n of_o timothy_n be_v require_v much_o more_o may_v it_o be_v put_v out_o of_o question_n that_o the_o apostle_n commit_v to_o the_o presbytery_n the_o full_a power_n of_o ordain_v ordinary_a minister_n but_o it_o be_v further_o object_v by_o sutlivius_n that_o this_o can_v not_o be_v such_o a_o presbytery_n as_o be_v among_o we_o because_o ordination_n and_o imposition_n of_o hand_n pertain_v to_o none_o but_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o word_n 8.10_o ans._n 1._o the_o child_n of_o israel_n lay_v their_o hand_n upon_o the_o levite_n &_o we_o will_v know_v his_o reason_n why_o he_o deny_v the_o like_a power_n to_o rule_v elder_n now_o especial_o since_o this_o imposition_n of_o hand_n be_v but_o a_o gesture_n of_o one_o pray_v and_o a_o moral_a sign_n declare_v the_o person_n pray_v for_o 2._o howsoever_o our_o practice_n whâ—ch_n be_v also_o approve_a by_o good_a divine_n be_v 37._o to_o put_v a_o difference_n betwixt_o the_o act_n of_o ordination_n and_o the_o external_a right_n thereof_o which_o be_v imposition_n of_o hand_n ascribe_v the_o former_a to_o the_o whole_a presbytery_n both_o pastor_n and_o elder_n and_o reserve_v the_o latter_a to_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o word_n yet_o to_o be_v do_v in_o the_o name_n of_o all_o thus_o have_v we_o evince_v the_o apostle_n meaning_n when_o he_o speak_v of_o a_o presbytery_n and_o this_o consistory_n we_o find_v to_o have_v continue_v in_o the_o christian_a church_n in_o the_o age_n after_o the_o apostle_n it_o be_v certain_a that_o the_o ancient_a bishop_n have_v no_o power_n to_o judge_v any_o cause_n without_o the_o presence_n advice_n and_o counsel_n of_o their_o presbyter_n conc._n carth._n 4._o can_n 23._o field_n forbesse_n saravia_n and_o douname_n do_v all_o acknowledge_v that_o it_o be_v so_o and_o so_o do_v bellarmine_n de_fw-fr pont._n rom._n l._n 1._o c._n 8._o of_o this_o presbytery_n speak_v cyprian_a omni_fw-la actu_fw-la ad_fw-la i_o perlato_fw-la placuit_fw-la contrahi_fw-la presbyterium_fw-la etc._n etc._n of_o the_o presbytery_n speak_v the_o same_o cyprian_a lib._n 2._o ep._n 8._o &_o lib._n 4._o ep._n 5._o ignatius_n ad_fw-la trall_n and_o hierom_n in_o esa._n 3_o we_o find_v it_o also_o in_o conc_fw-fr ancyr_n can_v 18_o and_o in_o conc_fw-fr carthag_n 4._o can_n 35.40_o 254.255_o doctor_n forbesse_n allege_v that_o the_o word_n presbytery_n for_o fifteen_o hundred_o year_n after_o christ_n do_v signify_v no_o other_o thing_n in_o the_o church_n than_o a_o diocesan_n synod_n but_o herein_o if_o he_o have_v understand_v himself_o he_o speak_v not_o so_o much_o against_o presbytery_n as_o against_o prelate_n for_o a_o diocese_n of_o old_a be_v bound_v within_o one_o city_n 2._o tumque_fw-la jampridem_fw-la per_fw-la omnes_fw-la provincias_fw-la &_o per_fw-la urbes_fw-la singulas_fw-la ordinati_fw-la sint_fw-la episcopi_fw-la etc._n etc._n say_v cyprian_n it_o be_v necessary_a to_o ordain_v bishop_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 10._o say_v chrysostome_n speak_v of_o the_o primitive_a time_n yea_o in_o country_n village_n also_o be_v bishop_n who_o be_v call_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d that_o be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d rural_a bishop_n who_o episcopal_a office_n though_o limit_v yet_o be_v allow_v in_o the_o council_n of_o ancyra_n can_v 13._o and_o the_o council_n of_o antioch_n can_v 8._o &_o 10._o 4._o sozomen_n record_v that_o the_o village_n majuma_n which_o be_v sometime_o a_o suburb_n of_o the_o city_n gaza_n be_v not_o subject_a to_o the_o bishop_n of_o gaza_n but_o have_v its_o own_o proper_a bishop_n and_o that_o by_o the_o decree_n of_o a_o synod_n in_o palestina_n the_o council_n of_o sardis_n can_v 6._o and_o the_o council_n of_o laodicea_n can_v 57_o though_o they_o discharge_v the_o ordain_v of_o bishop_n in_o village_n lest_o the_o name_n of_o a_o bishop_n shall_v grow_v contemptible_a do_v nevertheless_o allow_v every_o city_n to_o have_v a_o bishop_n of_o its_o own_o what_o have_v doctor_n forbesse_n now_o gain_v by_o maintain_v that_o the_o bound_n of_o a_o presbytery_n and_o of_o a_o diocese_n be_v all_o one_o they_o in_o the_o netherlâ—nds_n sometime_o call_v their_o presbytery_n diocaeses_n 100.101_o and_o many_o of_o our_o presbytery_n be_v great_a than_o be_v diocese_n of_o old_a we_o conclude_v there_o be_v ancient_o a_o presbytery_n in_o every_o city_n which_o do_v indeed_o choose_v one_o of_o their_o number_n to_o preside_v among_o they_o and_o to_o lay_v on_o hand_n in_o name_n of_o the_o rest_n and_o he_o be_v call_v the_o bishop_n wherein_o they_o do_v more_o trust_n the_o deceivable_a goodness_n of_o their_o own_o intention_n then_o advert_v to_o the_o rule_n of_o the_o word_n of_o god_n these_o thing_n premit_v i_o come_v now_o to_o that_o which_o be_v principal_o intend_v viz._n by_o what_o warrant_n and_o quâ—_n jure_v the_o classical_a presbytery_n among_o we_o make_v up_o out_o of_o many_o neighbour_a congregation_n shall_v be_v the_o ordinary_a court_n of_o ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n at_o least_o in_o all_o matter_n of_o high_a importance_n which_o do_v concern_v either_o all_o or_o any_o of_o those_o congregation_n for_o resolution_n hereof_o we_o must_v understand_v 1._o that_o cause_v common_a to_o many_o congregation_n ought_v not_o to_o be_v judge_v by_o any_o one_o of_o they_o but_o by_o the_o great_a presbytery_n common_a to_o they_o all_o 2._o it_o be_v to_o be_v suppose_v that_o particular_a congregation_n at_o least_o the_o far_o great_a part_n of_o they_o have_v not_o in_o their_o proper_a eldership_n so_o many_o man_n of_o sufficient_a ability_n as_o be_v requisite_a in_o judge_v and_o determine_v the_o case_n of_o the_o examination_n of_o minister_n of_o ordination_n deposition_n excommunication_n and_o the_o like_a 3._o when_o one_o appeal_v from_o a_o particular_a eldership_n out_o of_o persuasion_n that_o he_o be_v wrong_v by_o the_o sentence_n thereof_o or_o when_o that_o eldership_n find_v its_o own_o insufficiency_n for_o determine_v some_o difficult_a cause_n resolve_v to_o refer_v the_o same_o into_o a_o high_a court_n reason_n will_v that_o there_o shall_v be_v a_o ordinary_a court_n of_o a_o classical_a presbytery_n to_o receive_v such_o appellation_n or_o reference_n 4._o congregation_n which_o lie_v near_o together_o ought_v all_o as_o one_o to_o keep_v unity_n and_o conformity_n in_o church_n policy_n and_o government_n neither_o ought_v one_o of_o they_o be_v permit_v to_o do_v a_o
desideret_fw-la 5._o add_v unto_o these_o a_o distinction_n betwixt_o a_o congregation_n lie_v alone_o in_o a_o island_n province_n or_o nation_n and_o a_o congregation_n border_v with_o sister_n church_n if_o either_o there_o be_v but_o one_o congregation_n in_o a_o kingdom_n or_o province_n or_o if_o there_o be_v many_o far_o distant_a one_o from_o another_o so_o that_o their_o pastor_n and_o elder_n can_v ordinary_o meet_v together_o then_o may_v a_o particular_a congregation_n do_v many_o thing_n by_o itself_o alone_o which_o it_o ought_v not_o to_o do_v where_o there_o be_v adjacent_a neighbour_a congregation_n together_o with_o which_o it_o may_v and_o shall_v have_v a_o common_a presbytery_n 6._o let_v we_o put_v a_o difference_n betwixt_o the_o subordination_n of_o one_o congregation_n to_o another_o or_o of_o over_o eldership_n to_o another_o and_o the_o subordination_n of_o any_o congregation_n and_o of_o the_o eldership_n thereof_o to_o a_o superior_a presbytery_n or_o synod_n make_v out_o of_o many_o congregation_n as_o one_o provincial_a synod_n be_v not_o subject_a to_o another_o provincial_n synod_n yet_o all_o the_o provincial_n synod_n in_o the_o nation_n be_v subject_a 〈◊〉_d the_o national_n synod_n so_o it_o be_v also_o with_o the_o ordinary_a consistory_n one_o particular_a eldership_n be_v not_o subject_a to_o another_o yet_o all_o the_o particular_a eldership_n within_o the_o bound_n of_o the_o common_a presbytery_n be_v subject_a to_o the_o same_o so_o that_o there_o be_v a_o vast_a difference_n betwixt_o this_o subordination_n which_o we_o maintain_v and_o the_o subordination_n of_o all_o the_o parish_n in_o a_o diocese_n to_o the_o praelate_n and_o his_o cathedral_n where_o douname_n do_v object_n that_o all_o the_o parish_n of_o geneva_n be_v hierarchical_o subject_a to_o the_o presbytery_n in_o the_o city_n parker_n deny_v this_o nisi_fw-la quis_fw-la etc._n etc._n unless_o say_v he_o 23._o peradventure_o one_o may_v be_v subject_a to_o himself_o for_o the_o parish_n each_o for_o their_o own_o part_n and_o that_o alihe_v be_v this_o same_o presbytery_n and_o after_o consistorium_fw-la etc._n etc._n for_o the_o consistory_n of_o the_o cathedral_n church_n be_v a_o external_a meeting_n divers_a distinct_a and_o separate_a from_o the_o rural_a church_n which_o be_v no_o part_n thereof_o this_o can_v be_v say_v of_o the_o presbytery_n of_o geneva_n 7._o we_o must_v distinguish_v betwixt_o a_o dependence_n absolute_a and_o in_o some_o respect_n a_o congregation_n do_v absolute_o depend_v upon_o the_o holy_a scripture_n alone_o as_o the_o perfect_a rule_n of_o faith_n and_o manner_n of_o worship_n and_o of_o church-government_n for_o we_o accurse_v the_o tyranny_n of_o prelate_n who_o claim_v to_o themselves_o a_o autocratoricke_n power_n over_o congregation_n assemb_v to_o who_o they_o give_v their_o naked_a will_n for_o a_o law_n one_o of_o themselves_o tell_v a_o whole_a synod_n that_o they_o ought_v to_o esteem_v that_o best_a which_o seem_v so_o to_o superior_n and_o that_o this_o be_v a_o sufficient_a ground_n to_o the_o conscience_n for_o obey_v though_o the_o thing_n be_v inconvenient_a we_o say_v that_o congregation_n ought_v indeed_o to_o be_v subject_a to_o presbytery_n and_o synod_n yet_o not_o absolute_o but_o in_o the_o lord_n and_o in_o thing_n lawful_a and_o to_o this_o purpose_n the_o constitution_n of_o presbytery_n and_o synod_n be_v to_o be_v examine_v by_o the_o judgement_n of_o christian_a discretion_n for_o a_o synod_n be_v judex_n judicandus_fw-la and_o regula_n regulata_n so_o that_o it_o ought_v not_o to_o be_v blind_o obey_v whether_o the_o ordinance_n be_v convenient_a or_o inconvenient_a last_o of_o all_o we_o be_v to_o distinguish_v betwixt_o the_o condition_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n before_o the_o division_n of_o parish_n and_o the_o state_n of_o our_o church_n now_o after_o such_o division_n at_o the_o first_o when_o the_o multitude_n of_o christian_n in_o those_o great_a city_n of_o rome_n corinth_n ephesus_n etc._n etc._n be_v not_o divide_v into_o several_a parish_n the_o common_a presbytery_n in_o the_o city_n do_v suffice_v for_o the_o government_n of_o the_o whole_a and_o there_o be_v no_o need_n of_o a_o particular_a consistory_n of_o elder_n for_o every_o assembly_n and_o congregation_n of_o christian_n within_o the_o city_n except_o perhaps_o to_o admonish_v rebuke_n exhort_v or_o to_o take_v notice_n of_o such_o thing_n as_o be_v to_o be_v bring_v into_o the_o common_a presbytery_n but_o after_o that_o parish_n be_v divide_v and_o christian_a congregation_n plant_v in_o the_o rural_a village_n as_o well_o as_o in_o the_o city_n from_o henceforth_o it_o be_v necessary_a that_o every_o congregation_n shall_v have_v at_o hand_n within_o itself_o a_o certain_a consistory_n for_o some_o act_n of_o church-government_n though_o still_o those_o of_o great_a importance_n be_v reserve_v to_o the_o great_a presbytery_n and_o thus_o have_v i_o out_o of_o desire_n to_o avoid_v unnecessary_a question_n set_v down_o my_o conception_n concern_v the_o eldership_n of_o particular_a congregation_n and_o the_o power_n of_o the_o same_o if_o it_o be_v say_v that_o i_o seem_v to_o deny_v the_o divine_a right_n of_o the_o same_o or_o that_o they_o have_v any_o warrant_n from_o the_o pattern_n of_o the_o apostolic_a church_n i_o answer_v i_o acknowledge_v the_o conformity_n of_o the_o same_o with_o the_o pattern_n thus_o far_o 1._o it_o be_v to_o be_v suppose_v that_o in_o some_o small_a city_n especial_o the_o same_o not_o be_v whole_o convert_v to_o the_o christian_a faith_n there_o be_v but_o one_o christian_a congregation_n the_o eldership_n whereof_o do_v manage_v matter_n of_o jurisdiction_n proper_a thereto_o 2._o even_o in_o the_o great_a city_n at_o the_o first_o there_o be_v but_o one_o congregation_n of_o christian_n and_o so_o but_o one_o particular_a eldership_n 3._o after_o that_o the_o gospel_n have_v spread_v and_o christian_n be_v multiply_v in_o those_o great_a city_n it_o be_v true_a they_o be_v all_o govern_v by_o a_o common_a presbytery_n but_o that_o presbytery_n be_v not_o remote_a but_o ready_a at_o hand_n among_o themselves_o now_o in_o this_o we_o keep_v ourselves_o as_o close_a to_o the_o pattern_n as_o the_o alteration_n of_o the_o church_n condition_n by_o the_o division_n of_o parish_n will_v suffer_v we_o that_o be_v to_o say_v we_o have_v a_o common_a presbytery_n for_o govern_v the_o congregation_n within_o a_o convenient_a circuit_n but_o withal_o our_o congregation_n have_v ad_fw-la manum_fw-la among_o themselves_o a_o inferior_a eldership_n for_o lesser_a act_n of_o government_n though_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o distance_n of_o the_o seat_n of_o the_o common_a presbytery_n from_o sundry_a of_o our_o parish_n they_o can_v not_o have_v that_o ease_n and_o benefit_n of_o nearness_n which_o the_o apostolic_a church_n have_v yet_o by_o the_o particular_a eldership_n they_o have_v as_o great_a ease_n of_o this_o kind_n as_o convenient_o can_v be_v chap._n iii_o of_o great_a presbytery_n which_o some_o call_v class_n the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d presbytery_n we_o find_v thrice_o in_o the_o new_a testament_n twice_o of_o the_o jewish_a presbytery_n at_o jerusalem_n luke_n 22.66_o act._n 22.5_o and_o once_o of_o the_o christian_a presbytery_n 1._o tim._n 4.14_o neglect_v not_o the_o gift_n that_o be_v in_o thou_o which_o 〈◊〉_d give_v thou_o by_o prophecy_n 1.20_o with_o the_o lay_n on_o of_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o presbytery_n sutlivius_n and_o douname_n have_v borrow_v from_o bellarmine_n two_o false_a gloss_n upon_o this_o place_n they_o say_v by_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d here_o we_o may_v understand_v either_o a_o assembly_n of_o bishop_n or_o the_o office_n of_o a_o presbyter_n which_o be_v give_v to_o timothy_n 161._o to_o these_o absurdity_n let_v one_o of_o their_o own_o side_n answer_v whereas_o say_v d._n forbesse_n some_o have_v expound_v the_o presbytery_n in_o this_o place_n to_o be_v a_o company_n of_o bishop_n unless_o by_o bishop_n thou_o will_v understand_v simple_a presbyter_n it_o be_v a_o violent_a interpretation_n and_o a_o insolent_a meaning_n and_o whereas_o other_o have_v understand_v the_o degree_n itself_o of_o eldership_n this_o can_v not_o stand_v 1._o for_o the_o degree_n have_v not_o hand_n but_o hand_n be_v mens_fw-la i_o find_v in_o sutlivius_n a_o three_o gloss_n he_o say_v that_o the_o word_n presbytery_n in_o this_o place_n signify_v the_o minister_n of_o the_o word_n non_fw-la juris_fw-la vinculo_fw-la sed_fw-la ut_fw-la cunque_fw-la collectos_fw-la inter_fw-la quos_fw-la etiam_fw-la apostoli_fw-la erant_fw-la ans._n 1._o if_o so_o than_o the_o occasional_a meeting_n of_o minister_n be_v it_o in_o a_o journey_n or_o at_o a_o wedding_n or_o a_o burial_n etc._n etc._n shall_v all_o be_v presbytery_n for_o than_o they_o be_v ut_fw-la cunque_fw-la collecti_fw-la 2._o the_o apostle_n do_v put_v the_o church_n 〈◊〉_d better_a order_n then_o to_o leave_v imposition_n of_o hand_n or_o