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A62556
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A treatise of the nature of Catholick faith and heresie with reflexion upon the nullitie of the English Protestant church and clergy / by N.N.
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Talbot, Peter, 1620-1680.
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1657
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Wing T119; ESTC R38283
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clergy_n if_o not_o they_o be_v guilty_a of_o the_o loss_n of_o their_o own_o soul_n for_o venture_v so_o rash_o be_v forewarn_v to_o commit_v so_o many_o and_o so_o great_a sacrilege_n against_o god_n and_o his_o holy_a sacrament_n 22_o but_o as_o to_o the_o impossibility_n of_o forge_v so_o many_o register_n in_o case_n there_o be_v so_o many_o it_o be_v easy_o answer_v â—hat_n it_o be_v no_o more_o then_o that_o the_o consecrator_n and_o other_o person_n concern_v shall_v have_v conspire_v to_o give_v in_o a_o falâ—e_a certificate_n that_o the_o consecration_n be_v perform_v with_o all_o due_a ceremony_n and_o rite_n and_o thereby_o deceive_v the_o court_n or_o make_v they_o dissemble_v and_o this_o be_v a_o thing_n moâ—e_n possible_a and_o probable_a then_o that_o all_o the_o protestant_a clergy_n shall_v have_v conspire_v not_o to_o produce_v the_o say_a register_n when_o they_o be_v so_o hardly_o press_v by_o their_o adversary_n or_o that_o so_o many_o catholic_n shall_v have_v be_v so_o â—oolish_a to_o invent_v and_o maintain_v the_o story_n of_o the_o nagshead_n in_o such_o time_n when_o if_o it_o have_v be_v false_a they_o may_v â—ave_n be_v convince_v by_o thousand_o witness_n or_o that_o so_o many_o grave_n and_o learned_a divine_n who_o for_o conscience_n sake_n â—eft_v all_o shall_v without_o fear_n of_o damnation_n engage_v themselves_o and_o posterity_n in_o damnable_a sacailege_n by_o occasion_v so_o many_o sacrilegious_a reordination_n upon_o their_o charâ—_n ging_n protestant_n with_o no_o ordination_n no_o moderate_a anâ—_n prudent_a man_n can_v suspect_v that_o such_o person_n shall_v damn_n their_o soul_n out_o of_o mere_a spite_n against_o the_o church_n oâ—_n england_n if_o we_o catholic_n do_v reordaine_v the_o protestant_a minister_n upon_o title_n of_o their_o heresy_n and_o not_o of_o theiâ—_n know_v invalidity_n we_o shall_v also_o reordaine_v the_o graecian_a priest_n which_o be_v notorious_o against_o our_o practice_n and_o tenet_n in_o so_o much_o that_o we_o hold_v ourselves_o oblige_v to_o examine_v with_o all_o diligence_n whether_o there_o be_v any_o probability_n of_o the_o person_n have_v receive_v valid_a order_n and_o find_v but_o any_o probable_a appearance_n thereof_o the_o practice_n be_v and_o have_v be_v for_o diverse_a age_n to_o give_v order_n not_o absolute_o but_o conditional_o whereas_o it_o be_v notorious_a that_o all_o our_o english_a minister_n who_o after_o their_o conversion_n have_v be_v make_v priest_n receive_v their_o order_n in_o absolute_a term_n without_o any_o condition_n adjoin_v in_o the_o same_o manner_n which_o wâ—_n use_v in_o ordain_v mere_a layman_n 23_o let_v we_o go_v one_o step_n further_o with_o our_o protestant_a clergy_n and_o suppose_v that_o their_o first_o bishop_n be_v ordain_v by_o catholic_n we_o reserve_v yet_o another_o nullity_n in_o store_n foâ—_n their_o consecration_n and_o to_o wave_v many_o doubt_n that_o may_v be_v move_v concern_v the_o matter_n of_o their_o ordination_n wâ—_n will_v only_o speak_v of_o the_o form_n or_o word_n prescribe_v in_o the_o protestant_n ritual_a it_o be_v a_o know_a principle_n common_a to_o both_o protestant_n and_o catholic_n that_o in_o the_o form_n of_o ordination_n there_o must_v be_v some_o word_n express_v the_o authority_n and_o power_n give_v to_o the_o person_n ordain_v the_o intention_n of_o the_o ordainer_n express_v by_o general_a word_n indisserent_a and_o appliable_a to_o all_o or_o divers_a degree_n of_o holy_a order_n be_v not_o sufficient_a to_o make_v one_o a_o priest_n or_o a_o bishopâ—_n as_o for_o example_n receive_v the_o holy_a ghost_n these_o word_n be_v indifferent_a to_o priesthood_n and_o episcopacy_n and_o use_v iâ—_n both_o ordination_n be_v not_o sufficient_o expressive_a of_o either_o in_o particular_a unless_o protestant_n will_v now_o at_o length_n profess_v themselves_o presbyterian_o make_v no_o distinction_n between_o priest_n and_o bishop_n but_o they_o be_v as_o 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&c._n which_o we_o receive_v from_o the_o church_n that_o go_v before_o we_o assure_v it_o be_v reveal_v by_o god_n upon_o the_o bare_a word_n of_o luther_n calvin_n knox_n or_o the_o â—2_n person_n that_o make_v the_o ritual_a and_o pretend_v to_o reform_v in_o edward_n the_o vi_o time_n the_o sacrament_n both_o in_o matter_n form_n and_o number_n what_o sign_n or_o miracle_n do_v they_o show_v for_o their_o extraordinary_a mission_n and_o apostleship_n of_o reform_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n if_o any_o man_n who_o receive_v his_o land_n by_o inheritance_n from_o his_o ancestor_n ought_v not_o to_o part_v with_o it_o if_o not_o force_v by_o better_a evidence_n than_o his_o own_o how_o can_v we_o part_v with_o our_o faith_n and_o sense_n of_o scripture_n which_o be_v the_o ground_n of_o all_o our_o supernatural_a inheritance_n and_o happiness_n until_o protestant_n show_v a_o better_a title_n than_o the_o inheritance_n or_o continual_a succession_n of_o our_o 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that_o god_n must_v help_v all_o catholic_n interiorly_a with_o his_o supernatural_a grace_n and_o spirit_n but_o the_o difference_n between_o the_o puritan_n and_o catholic_n spirit_n be_v that_o the_o puritan_n spirit_n inspire_v a_o belief_n contrary_n to_o reason_n the_o catholic_n spirit_n inspire_v a_o belief_n non_fw-fr contrary_a but_o agreeable_a to_o reason_n though_o christian_a faith_n be_v above_o reason_n it_o be_v not_o unreasonable_a but_o it_o can_v not_o be_v agreeable_a to_o reason_n that_o any_o person_n believe_v a_o puritanical_a spirit_n without_o any_o more_o proof_n of_o the_o goodness_n of_o it_o than_o a_o puritan_n word_n against_o a_o sense_n of_o scripture_n which_o have_v be_v continue_v in_o the_o roman_a church_n since_o the_o primitive_a time_n as_o be_v evident_a by_o tradition_n testimony_n of_o father_n and_o acknowledge_v by_o the_o magdeburg_n century_n and_o other_o protestant_a writer_n therefore_o the_o private_a spirit_n can_v not_o be_v a_o 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