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A45214 A defence of the humble remonstrance, against the frivolous and false exceptions of Smectymnvvs wherein the right of leiturgie and episcopacie is clearly vindicated from the vaine cavils, and challenges of the answerers / by the author of the said humble remonstrance ; seconded (in way of appendance) with the judgement of the famous divine of the Palatinate, D. Abrahamvs Scvltetvs, late professor of divinitie in the University of Heidelberg, concerning the divine right of episcopacie, and the no-right of layeldership ; faithfully translated out of his Latine. Hall, Joseph, 1574-1656.; Scultetus, Abraham, 1566-1624. Determination of the question, concerning the divine right of episcopacie. 1641 (1641) Wing H378; ESTC R9524 72,886 191

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doubt_v not_o but_o this_o be_v the_o most_o true_a explication_n of_o this_o place_n finis_fw-la psal_n 27.3_o act_n 17_o 22._o areopagus_n mars-hill_n or_o the_o c●urt_n of_o areopagite_n brand_v and_o mislike_v etc._n etc._n pag._n 4._o 4._o if_o we_o may_v not_o rather_o take_v it_o to_o allude_v to_o the_o manner_n of_o the_o heathen_n who_o because_o their_o god_n be_v multinomines_fw-la according_a to_o their_o several_a power_n and_o virtue_n have_v certain_a monitor_n to_o put_v the_o suppliant_n in_o mind_n of_o the_o appellation_n of_o their_o deity_n as_o desiderius_n heraldus_n think_v and_o to_o this_o purpose_n bring_v that_o of_o s._n augustine_n cite_v out_o of_o seneca_n as_o he_o read_v it_o alius_fw-la numina_fw-la dei_fw-la subjicit_fw-la or_o as_o lipsius_n nomina_fw-la however_o it_o can_v give_v the_o least_o colour_n to_o the_o sense_n intend_v by_o the_o answerer_n aug._n ep._n 121_o aug._n de_fw-fr bon_fw-fr persevere_v c._n 22._o utinam_fw-la tardi_fw-la cord_n sic_fw-la audirent_fw-la disputationes_fw-la nostras_fw-la ut_fw-la magis_fw-la intuerentur_fw-la orationes_fw-la nostras_fw-la quas_fw-la semper_fw-la habuit_fw-la &_o habebit_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la ab_fw-la exordiis_fw-la suis_fw-la usque_fw-la dum_fw-la finiatur_fw-la seculum_fw-la just_a mart._n apol._n 2._o the_o word_n be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d that_o be_v with_o all_o intention_n and_o imply_v in_o that_o of_o the_o same_o justin_n martyr_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d conc._n laod._n c._n 19_o first_o the_o prayer_n of_o the_o catechumeni_fw-la precede_v than_o those_o of_o the_o penitent_n follow_v than_o those_o of_o the_o faithful_a conclude_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d con._n laod._n c._n 8_o council_n milev_n 2._o cont_n celestina_n &_o pelag._n post_n à_fw-la mortuus_fw-la est_fw-la adrianus_n cujus_fw-la deus_fw-la non_fw-la misereatur_fw-la obiitque_fw-la cum_fw-la luctu_fw-la magno_fw-la etc._n etc._n etc._n viz._n the_o high_a priest_n then_o live_v buxtorfius_n tell_v we_o that_o the_o creed_n of_o r._n ben_n maimon_n be_v take_v out_o of_o the_o jew_n liturgy_n in_o his_o speech_n at_o norwich_n assizes_n publish_v m._n fisher_n i_o beseech_v you_o tell_v i_o brethren_n how_o you_o construe_v those_o word_n of_o calvin_n which_o he_o write_v to_o the_o protector_n of_o england_n anno_fw-la 1548._o oct._n 22._o quod_fw-la ad_fw-la formulam_fw-la precum_fw-la &_o rituum_fw-la ecclesiasticorum_fw-la valde_fw-la prob●_n ut_fw-la certa_fw-la illa_fw-la extet_fw-la à_fw-la qua_fw-la pastoribus_fw-la discedere_fw-la non_fw-la liceat_fw-la infunctione_n sua_fw-la tam_fw-la ut_fw-la consulatur_fw-la quorundam_fw-la simplicitati_fw-la &_o imperitiae_fw-la quam_fw-la ut_fw-la certius_fw-la ita_fw-la constet_fw-la omnium_fw-la inter_fw-la se_fw-la ecclesiarum_fw-la consensus_fw-la postremo_fw-la etiam_fw-la etc._n etc._n that_o be_v as_o for_o a_o form_n of_o prayer_n and_o of_o rite_n ecclesiastical_a i_o do_v great_o approve_v that_o there_o be_v a_o certain_a one_o extant_a from_o which_o it_o shall_v not_o be_v lawful_a for_o the_o minister_n in_o their_o function_n to_o depart_v both_o that_o by_o this_o mean_v provision_n may_v be_v make_v for_o the_o simplicity_n and_o unskilfulnesse_n of_o some_o and_o the_o consent_n of_o all_o church_n among_o themselves_o may_v more_o certain_o appear_v last_o that_o thus_o there_o may_v be_v a_o remedy_n for_o the_o desultory_a levity_n of_o some_o man_n that_o affect_v still_o certain_a innovation_n as_o i_o have_v show_v that_o the_o catechism_n itself_o serve_v for_o this_o purpose_n so_o therefore_o there_o ought_v to_o be_v a_o set_a form_n of_o catechism_n a_o set_a form_n of_o administration_n of_o sacrament_n and_o of_o public_a prayer_n quanquam_fw-la descessu_fw-la veteris_fw-la confusus_fw-la amici_fw-la juvenal_n you_o may_v as_o well_o have_v tell_v we_o out_o of_o the_o same_o author_n of_o the_o strange_a condition_n that_o be_v in_o use_n among_o they_o which_o they_o impose_v upon_o their_o king_n if_o ever_o he_o come_v into_o their_o coast_n of_o his_o ride_n with_o one_o leg_n bare_a and_o their_o mock_n of_o he_o with_o their_o maravedis_n yet_o the_o word_n of_o the_o remonstrance_n be_v not_o nothing_o can_v be_v a_o more_o certain_a truth_n but_o nothing_o can_v be_v more_o plain_a than_o this_o truth_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d epiph._n amb._n the_o dignity_n sacerd._n c._n 3._o no_o &_o alexandria_n à_fw-fr marco_n evangelistausque_fw-la ad_fw-la heraclam_fw-la &_o dionysium_fw-la episcopos_fw-la pr●sbyteri_fw-la semper_fw-la unum_fw-la ex_fw-la se_fw-la electum_fw-la in_o excel_v siori_fw-la gradu_fw-la collocatum_fw-la episcopum_fw-la nominabant_fw-la quomodo_fw-la si_fw-la exercitus_fw-la imperatorem_fw-la faciat_fw-la etc._n etc._n the_o holy_a ghost_n make_v you_o bishop_n or_o overseer_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d chrysost_n tom._n 5._o edition_n savil._n p._n 499._o aug._n f_o p._n 19_o greg._n naz._n orat._n 28._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n platina_n in_o vita_fw-la greg._n 7._o cypr._n ep._n 33._o fi●mil_n cyp●ian_n epist_n 75._o to_o this_o purpose_n be_v that_o which_o you_o cite_v out_o of_o clemens_n alex_n strom._n l._n 5._o allude_v to_o in_o that_o usual_a allegation_n of_o ambrose_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d council_n antioch_n c._n 24_o 25._o b._n down_o def_n l._n 3._o ch_n 5._o howsoever_o it_o be_v now_o in_o some_o reform_a church_n lay_v down_o socrat._v l._n 7._o c._n 37._o 2_o king_n 5.7_o calvin_n epist_n f_o 421._o aquin._n pro_fw-la dormit●one_fw-la victioris_fw-la non_fw-la fiat_fw-la blatio_fw-la a_o uto_n depre_fw-fr catio_fw-la aliquanomine_fw-la ejus_fw-la in_o ecclesia_fw-la frequentetur_fw-la cypr._n rogatiano_n fratri_fw-la l._n 3._o ep._n 9_o aug._n ep._n 110._o 2·_fw-la tim_n 1.11_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d rev._n 2.24_o cypr._n l._n 4._o ad_fw-la antonianum_fw-la epist_n revel_v 1.20_o conc._n nic._n can_v 8_o ignat._n ad_fw-la ephes_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n so_o cyprian_n epicopis_fw-la loquens_fw-la etc._n etc._n qui_fw-la apostolis_n vicaria_fw-la ordinatione_fw-la succedunt_fw-la ep._n 69._o vnitas_fw-la per_fw-la apostolos_fw-la novis_fw-la successoribus_fw-la tradita_fw-la ep._n 41_o meminisse_fw-la debent_fw-la diaconi_fw-la quoniam_fw-la apostolos_fw-la i._n e._n episcopos_fw-la &_o prapaesitos_fw-la dominus_fw-la clegit_fw-la ep._n 65._o b._n montague_n orig._n contra_fw-la celsum_fw-la c._n 14._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d vide_fw-la justellum_n in_o notis_fw-la ad_fw-la canon_n african_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d can._n afr._n 91_o aug._n contra_fw-la crescon_n l._n 3._o omnes_fw-la vos_fw-la episcopi_fw-la presbyteri_fw-la diaconi_fw-la &_o seniores_fw-la scitis_fw-la etc._n etc._n where_o against_o your_o own_o knowledge_n you_o translate_v presbyteri_fw-la elder_n to_o blear_v the_o reader_n eye_n with_o a_o show_n of_o a_o double_a sort_n of_o elder_n whereas_o presbyteri_fw-la be_v there_o manifest_o distinguish_v from_o seniores_fw-la p._n moulin_n epist_n 3._o ad_fw-la episcop_n winton_n etc._n etc._n
〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o power_n of_o those_o thing_n which_o belong_v to_o the_o church_n it_o be_v easy_a to_o surfeit_v the_o reader_n eye_n with_o the_o clear_a testimony_n of_o father_n and_o counsel_n to_o this_o purpose_n our_o learned_a bishop_n downam_n have_v give_v a_o world_n of_o instance_n of_o the_o several_a act_n of_o jurisdiction_n appropriate_v to_o bishop_n by_o antiquity_n 5._o exercise_v upon_o both_o laic_n and_o clergy_n to_o he_o i_o remit_v my_o reader_n so_o as_o you_o may_v easy_o set_v antiquity_n together_o by_o the_o ear_n in_o this_o point_n if_o you_o please_v but_o sure_o the_o advantage_n will_v be_v so_o far_o on_o our_o side_n that_o if_o you_o have_v not_o ten_o for_o one_o against_o you_o i_o will_v yield_v my_o cause_n there_o be_v great_a difference_n of_o time_n and_o in_o they_o of_o fashion_n in_o those_o persecute_a time_n when_o the_o church_n be_v back_v with_o no_o christian_a magistrate_n it_o be_v no_o boot_n to_o bid_v the_o 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