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A25920 Articles exhibited against Benjamin Spencer, minister of S. Thomas Parish in Southwarke, in the right honourable and high Court of Parliament for which his living was sequestred together with a charge grounded thereupon, and his answer thereunto, with his reasons of printing the same. 1642 (1642) Wing A3819; ESTC R10474 7,471 10

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with me might have rectified all if so be they be fully perswaded that I spake as they have alleaged but I fear there is some leaven of ill wil in it which never speaks wel God be judge between us to whō I refer my self After I had thus answered I was dismissed Diverse weekes after one Nicollson got a warrant for me from the Committee for the safety of the Kingdome A man who knew nothing of me except my face as I did bis By vertue of the warrant I was kept under Custody certaine dayes but found no charge appeare there against me But being in prison a warrant was brought to me to appeare before the Lords to answer to a charge drawne up against me with al sequestration of my living which charge though it consisted of fewer Articles by three than before was alleadged namely the 5.2 and 7. yet it is no whit lighter but doth in some words so much differ from the Articles that mee thinkes my adversaries themselves should consider where they spoke truest before the Committee or before the Lords they being witnesses both to the Articles and charge and especially one woman whose zeale against me was so smart that she blushed not to maintaine the ninth Article farther than was alleadged therein namely that I should say worse than that women took● in men for she added these words Your Lordships know where O frons o facies Marke the charge and compare it with the Articles and you will finde that whatsoever Clerke drew it he hath made his building too heavie for the foundation viz. For the Articles upon which it is built The sequestration and charge Martij 16. 1642. WHereas Benjamin Spencer Stipendary Curate of the Church of Saint Thomas Hospitall in Southwarke in the County of Surrey hath endeavoured in his preaching to corrupt his people and Auditors partly with the leaven of Popish doctrin pressing upon them Articl 3 1. That the Church of Rome is a true Church saving only in Circumstances and not in fundamentalls Articl 4 2. And bowing to the Altar saying that if he were vile in that he would be more vile yet and whether the railes were taken away or not hee would bow to the Table and dance about it Articl 9 3. And partly by prophane doctrine that the Virgin Mary received the Holy Ghost before she conceived Christ but now women tooke in men first and were coupled together like Samsons Foxes Articl 5 4. And hath expressed great Malignancie against the power and proceedings of Parliament saying in Parliament times that now men knew not whither to goe for justice Articl 6 5. And that Reverend Orthodox Ministers whom he tearmed Iack-Dawes that formerly durst not shew their faces did now appeare and shroud themselves under the Eves of the Parliament 6. Articl 8 And reading in his Church the order of Parliament against bowing at the name of Iesus in contempt thereof said openly that for ought he knew it might come from some Ballad-monger and that hee knew not what they meant whether Iesus the Son of Sirach or Jesus Christ and that they that made it were best able to expresse their owne meaning Articl 10 10. And that in his publishing of the Ordinance of Parliament for the reliefe of maimed Souldiers informed his Auditory that it may bee these Souldiers went out with a zealous intent but ●t was a blind zeale or they went out of malice or envie to be revenged or it may bee to rob and steale Which the Lords and Commons in Parliament Assembled taking into consideration for the better supply of an able and godly Minister in the said Church and for the provision of fit maintenance for those that shall officiate therein doe Constitute and ordaine that Iohn Hardwicke Ioseph Collier Iohn Humphry Daniell Sowton Thomas Bennet Iohn Simes Iohn Winengton William Jackson or any three of them shall have power and authority and are hereby required to sequester all and singular stipends and Allowances Tythes Rents Fees or profits whatsoever belonging to the Cure of the said Church or heretofore payed to the said SPENCER and to appoint Collectors for the gathering and receiving of them as they in their discretion shall thinke fit and shall have power to pay the same unto Iohn Biscoe a godly learned and Orthodoxe Divine who is hereby appointed and required to preach every Lords Day and to officiate as Curate and to take care for the discharge of the cure of the said place in all the duties thereof untill further order shall be taken by both Houses of Parliament And if any shall refuse to pay unto the said sequestrators or any three of them or to the collectors appointed by them any of the Rents duties or lawfull sees acoustomed to be payed upon information thereof by the sequestrators or any three of them unto either House of Parliament The said Lords and Commons do hereby declare they will proceed against such refusers according to their severall offences and contempts I answered to the charge that first it differed much from the Articls that were laid against me first in the number for in the charg there were 3. wanting of the ten alleaged namely the first which charged me for doing what the statute of uniformity injoyned me The second which the witnesses being then examined severally did not agree upon And the seventh which seemed ridiculously to accuse me for not praying for my L. Major Secondly I said the charge differed in many words from the Articles as in that it chargeth me to endeavour to corrupt people with popish Doctrine and yet there is in all but one Article of popish doctrine in the whole charge which might be as well mistaken as not by my hearers Secondly It chargeth me that I bowed to the Altar whereas there was never any in the Church nor did the Table stand Altar-wise Indeed it was railed in by Mr. Lynne one of my accusers without command from any authority save himselfe that I know of Thirdly It makes these words that now in time of Parliament men knew not whither to goe for Iustice a part of the Article which in the Article it selfe is made only an insinuation of the accuser and therefore the witnesses could not as I suppose under favour maintaine rightly both the Articles and the charge However they swearing the Court enclined the rather to their testimony for an oath must bee the end of controversie Let the accusers look to it the Court is free I was committed to the fleete for a while for contempt where I petitioning for maintaining of my charge a Wife and many Children was by the Lords granted thirtie pounds per annum to bee resumed in the hands of the Governours of Saint Thomas Hospitall from the sequestrators to be payd to me or my assignes as formerly it had I was afterward upon petition released also from imprisonment But all this suffering could not quiet the spleene of mine adversaries For they would faine restraine the Governours so that they might not pay me my allowance of thirtie pounds aforesaid by reason whereof I and my family should be forced to live upon almes while one eates our bread who can neither well desire it and worse deserve it God forgive mine enemies open their blind eyes and soften their hard hearts that repenting they may escape the wrath to come through Iesus Christ Amen FINIS
Papacy to bee Antichristian and all that wittingly or willingly adhere thereunto Neither doth the Doctrine of their Church order a man to heaven and therefore I detest it as damnable and hold with our Protestant Doctrine published in that poynt in the second part of our Church Homily for Whitsontide But I suppose the plaintiffes might be mistaken when in clearing that poynt so much controverted about the Church of Romes being a true Church it is like enough I said it was thus to be understood namely that she had the outward being and existence of a true Church but not the essence or essentiall properties of one As a thiefe hath the true being of a man in a naturall sense but not the being of a true man in a morall sence So W●spes have true Combs as well as Bees but there is no honey in them So it is likely that I might say the Church of Rome agreeth with the true Church in many fundamentalls as in the Articles of the Creed but overthroweth them by corrupt consequences and superstructions as when they allow Christ to bee the sole Mediator of Redemption but not of intercession and in sixty odde other severall opinions they differ from the Reformed Churches and us English Protestants in which I hope I shal never agree with them To the fourth he answered thus I remember no such in formation by honest men But I acknowledge I have bowed my knees when I have come into the Church but to no visible thing but unto that God by whose leave I tread in his Courts And if I were accounted vile for that it is like enough I might say I would be more vile But since I perceived by an Order from the House of Peeres bearing date sixteenth of Ianuary 1640. that such arbitrary gestures did give offence and that no Ceremony whatsoever should be used but those nominated and allowed by Law I have refrained it and be●aken my selfe to a more private way of devotion And for abusing any who stand about the Communion Table I know not except a faire reproofe for an unreverent carriage be an abuse of those who set their Tailes where we set the Sacrament when there is roome enough to sit else-where To the fist hee answered thus Here is neither instance of time or Text therefore I cannot call to mind what I said But I beleeve I might complaine of danger us times now in these latter dayes of which the Apostle prophesied 2 Tim. 3.1 and might deplore the decay of justice among men both distributive commutative as the Prophets did Psal 12.1 ler. 5.1 and yet not reflect on the Parliament who have found much injustice among men themselves and punished it To the six he answered thus here they instance in asermon remembred by many who can tel that the words which they misconstrue were these spoken unto the Ministers then present at the visitation Sermon Rebuke exhort with all authority as Tit. 2.15 You are commanded and be not affrighted at those Iack-Dawes w th with their noise first disturb the Churches service then shelter themselves under the Leads as many sorts of men do who hope in vaine to shroud themselves under the eaves of the Parliaments favour whose worthies though too much troubled with their triviall complaints yet I am confident they will maintaine what they have protested against all schismaticall persons and malignant parties that these were my words many can justifie that heard them without prejudicate affection To the seventh Article he answered I pray for the King Queen and Royall Progeny and for all that are in authority Indeed I doe not name my Lord Major nor is it usuall so to doe except at Panis-Crosse or the like Neither doe I name the Army but I pray for all those that fight for the truth and the faith of the Gospell and true Religion which is no evidence of malignancy Nor doe I nor ever did scoffe at any Orders of Parliament as shall appeare by my answer to the instance following To this only instance of scoffing at Orders which they produce though the Article chargeth him in generall he thus answered One Lords day such an Order was brought to me as aforesayd of which he that brought it could render no account but that it was bought of one that fold pamphlets about the streets I suspended therfore the reading of it til I had enquired further finding it to be the Parliaments order I read it in the Church And to excuse my selfe that I did not read it at first to some that were offended I said I durst not read that at first which hee that brought could not avouch to have received from any other authority than a Pamphlet seller or a Ballad-monger As for the name Iesus I confesse I sayd thus that considering there were more named by that name in the Bible as Iesus the sonne of Nun Acts 7.45 and Iesus son of Iosedech Zach. 3.1 and Iesus the Ionne of Sarach Eccles 1. And for that many ignorant people have used the same gesture to each name alike when they have beene read and for that the name is not distinguished in this order viz. which Iesus is meant as it is in the 18. Canon which enjoyneth reverence at the reading of it I will not be so bold to interpret the Parliaments mind therein till it bee further expressed by themselves And I hope no charitable mind will take this for an abuse or scoffe but rather want of right apprehension of their mind He thus answered the ninth Article Here is neither Text nor time instanced in nor can I remember all I sayd But I believe it is no bad Divinity to say the Virgin Mary conceived the Holy Ghost in her heart before she had Christ in her womb because shee was before both gracious and faithfull And I conceive those that marry meerely for lust without those other holy ends of marriage couple like beasts and may bee likened to Sampsons Foxes The Prophet Ezekiel speakes much broader Ezek. ●6 2● and yet is not to bee blamed Lewd manners may have loud reproofes so far as I know The tenth he answered thus I finding some people scrupulous to contribute to that occasion said thus It is the end that maketh actions good Now whereas some object that it may be some souldiers goe to war with divers ends some with a good intent some with a blind zeale some to be revenged on their enemies some in hope to enrich themselves by spoyle let not us judge their hearts nor look upon their infirmities but be their end what it will let our end be to relieve their miseries and no doubt if you think they have erred in warre the misery they feel and your charity they find will make them more addicted to peace You may perceive by these Answers that I am much mistaken in my preaching by these my accusers whom I blame not so much for thus accusing me though a little discourse