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B13489	An ansvver to the ten counter demands propounded by T. Drakes, Preacher of the Word at H. and D. in the county of Essex. By Will. Euring	Euring, William.	1619 (1619)	STC 10567; ESTC S114521	22,154	48

conditions of the most with whom the better sort stand all in the communion and in one order or disorder rather being mingled together all in one brotherhood and that not by personall fayling but by the very constitution and lawes of your Church civill and ecclesiasticall cleane contrary to the revealed will of God in his Word Even you your self Sir that are a leader and professe your selfe to be a guide to the blinde you breake the law of God and defile his holy things you put no difference betweene the holy and prophane neither discerne between the vnclean and the cleane so the Lord is prophaned among you Eze. 22.26 Consider I pray you and compare together these few places of Scripture Mat. 18.1516.17 Rom. 16.17 1. Cor. 5.11.12.13 2 Thes 36.7 c. and then compare this order heere appointed by Christ and his apostles vnto the order of your Church and Parish-assemblies you shall see even by these 5. places of scripture how far you are from that holy order which Christ in his last will and testament hath given and appointed vnto his visible Church to walke in and to practise You compell all that are of your Parish howsoever vnworthie or vnable to pay their offrings and to receiue the communion especially at your holy time of Easter there is the table prepared bread and wine set come that will and welcom Esay 65.11.12 yea if they be dwelling in your Parish and will not pay their offrings and come to the communion daily they are by you presented into your spirituall Courts thither they are summoned if they appeare not obedienly paying their fees clearing the bookes c. they shall be by that Court excommunicated out of your Parish-assemblies and then before they may be admitted againe either to the fore named banquet or to your devine service as you call it their purses must pay deere enough for a blessing or absolution which they must receiue humbly kneeling on their knees before Mas Commissary or Mas Chancellors worship and if they die excōmunicate before they haue received this bounsing blessing they may not be brought into your holy ground to be buried there in christian buriall as you call it vnlesse their friends will first purchase absolution for them If the mould of this came not from Rome then I pray you Sir shew vs where you learned it for in the whole Bible we cannot finde any such spirituall order given or appointed by God vnto his Church 5 Demand Your 5. demand is Whether that in Constantines the first Christian Emperour tyme and ever since vnto M. Iohn Calvins dayes for the space of 13 hundered yeeres there was no Christian Churches in Asia Africke and Europe because they had the same outward constitution formall state Bishops Archbishops Metropolytans and Church government for substance substance of doctrine that our English Church hath and retaineth c. To tell you the truth I know not well how to answere this your demand yet not because it is so divinely grounded on the word of God but only because I want scoole learning and knowledge of auncient Authors writings as being not able to read and vnderstand them so that now you haue me at a non plus as wise men and fooles vse to say Yet this is one thing much to be lamented that a man of your place and learning should leaue the Scripture the true worde of the living God and thus inquire of the dead but according to the ould proverbe like will to like 5 Answer Thus much I say for answer to this your far-fetched demand I do beleeue and am fully perswaded by the word of God that in whatsoever Emperours or Kings time since the time of Christ in what Nation or Country soever whether in Asia Africk Europe or wheresoever any Church or Churches hath been is or shall be gathered or constituted in any other manner or by and with any other matter vnder or vnto any other worship ministry spirituall Governours or spirituall government then the same for substance in manner and matter which Christ and his Apostles haue appointed in the new testament they are not the true visible Churches of Christ I do not meane hereby an absolute true and perfect gathering or constituting but that all things both for the gathering and continuing of the true visible Church of Christ must be so far as can be discerned by men agreable to the word of God as God shall make men able to discerne and vnderstand the Scriptures And this is all that I can say for answer to this your demand only I will not loose the good advantage that I haue gained by the same which is this I see that you are not able to approue your Church by the word of God and therefore you are driven to make inquiry and to look about you to see if you can espie and find out any other Churches though never so far of whose constitution or gathering ministry and worship ecclesiasticall Governors and Ecclesiasticall government is for substance lyke vnto you hoping by them to iustifie your selues but how like it is that other Churches can afoord you any help or sauegard when as by the verdict of Gods word you stand cōdemned let the godly iudge Hee hath neede of a staffe that leaneth on a reed And yet even for this your poore proof it is affirmed by some who know those histories that it is a very boast without all truth that the Churches either in Constantines time or a long time after were gathered by compulsion of all tag and rag in the empyre as yours are of all in the kindome or that there were any such Arch Bishops or Lord Bishops with sole authority to rule and governe Besides let the Reader note how in your very Demand you do grauut the great difference betweene the Churches since Calvines time that is betweene all reformed Churches and your vnreformed Church of Enland 6 Demand Your sixt Demand is Whether the reformed Churches in the lower and higher Germany in France the Churches in Geneva c. that come neerer to our constitution and discipline you say then yours in England do be true visible Churches or no c. To this your Demand you haue added two branches depending vppon the former the which I will answer as you haue set them downe one afer another 6 Answer I answer yea they are true visible constituted Churches and haue a true and lawfull ministery set over them both which you in your Parish-assemblies want Then you further demand and say If they be such why then do not we adjoyn our selues to some of those but distaste them you say as much as wee do yours I thinke Sir it had been a poynt of wisedom first to haue heard our answer before you had thus hastily affirmed that we distast them as much as we do yours but Solomon hath answered you for your haste Pro. 29.20 And I will answer your Demand I haue in my

AN ANSVVER TO THE TEN COVNTER DEMANDS PROPOVNDED BY T. DRAKES Preacher of the Word at H. and D. in the County of ESSEX By Wil. Euring PROV 9.12 If thou be wise thou shalt be wise for thy selfe and if thou be a scorner thou alone shalt suffer Printed in the yeare 1619. To the Reader IT is the manner of some quarrelsome persons that being beaten by one aduersarie too strong for them they are not quiet in their mindes till they haue got another with whom they hope to deale well enough and to beate the former upon his back wrecking upon him all that anger which they haue harboured in their heart against the other but could not utter as they desired So it seemes to be with this man who having had of late as it is reported much combating with the Morris-dauncing-Papists and Athiests in his parish whereof lately hee was Minister And finding them too hard for him and that insteed of being sheep to follow him they came with open mouth like wolues both against the sheep and Shepheard he hath thought it best seeing these wolues thus comming to saue himselfe by flying to an other place leaving the pore sheepe in the same fould with the wolues to shift for themselues as they could But not resting so hee hath bethought him of an other sort of adversaries with whom he hopes more easily to deale and these are the poore Separatists against whom he hath also those Morris-dauncers and many greater then they to take his part Them he encountreth stoutly with Ten Counter-Demands as he cals them with which as with so many yron hornes he hopes so to shake the silly Separatists as not to leaue them a whole bone in their skin But why doth he call them Counter-Demands Not because he hath answered but onely seen as I heare 7 Demands of theirs some good space since propounded by thē These he should rather haue answered in my judgment if he could for the defence of his Church Communion Government Ministerie and Worshippe But it seemes he had rather aske then answer questions as what bungler cannot better strike then fence and so his meaning is to set these his Ten Counter-demands against their Seaven Demands that so they might knock heads together to see whose is hardest Since then it must be so I will first set downe those Seaven and after answer his Ten simply without all doubt yet as well as I can but plainly and distinctly as he desireth Intreating thee good Reader to beare with my vnschollership for I haue not been brought up among the Muses but Mariners and am unwillingly though particularly drawn hereunto by his importunity Quest 1 Whether the Lord Iesus Christ haue in his last will Testament given unto and set in his Church sufficient ordinary Offices with their callings workes and maintenance for the administration of his holy things and for the ordinary instruction guidance and service of his Church to the end of the world or no 2. Whether the Offices of Pastors Teachers Elders Deacons and Helpers be those offices appointed in the Testament of Christ or whether the present ecclesiasticall offices of Arch-Bishops Lord-Bishops Suffragans Deanes Priests Vicars Arch-Deacons Prebendaries Canons Gospellers Petty-Canons Epistlers Virgerers Queristers Organ-Players Parsons Curates Chancelors Commissaries Proctors Registers Appariters or Sumners Churchwardens Doctors of Divinity Questmen or Side-men Deacons or halfe Priests Chaplins or house-Priests Clarkes Sextons and the rest now had and retained in the Cathedrall and Parishionall Assemblies of the Land be those Offices appointed in Christs last will and testament or no 3 Whether the calling and entrance into the ecclesiasticall offices last before named with their administrations and maintenance now had and retained in England be the manner of calling administration and maintenance which Christ hath appoynted for the offices of his Church or no 4 Whether every true Church of Christ be not a company of people called and separated out from the world and false worship and waies thereof by the word of God and ioyned together in the fellowship of the Gospell by voluntary profession of the faith and obedience of Christ 5 Whether the sacraments being seales of the righteousnes which is by faith may be administred vnto any other but to the faithfull and their seed or in any other ministery or manner then is prescribed and appointed by Iesus Christ the Apostle and high preist of our profession And whether they be not otherwise administred in the parish assemblies of England at this day or no 6 Whether the booke of Common prayer with the feasts fasts stinted prayers holly dayes and leiturgy prescribed therein vsed in the assemblies bee the true worship of God commanded in his word or the devise and invention of man for Gods worship and service 7 Whether all people and Churches without exception be not bound in religion onely to receiue and submit vnto that Ministry worship and order which Christ as Lord and King hath given vnto and appoynted in his Church or whether any may receiue and ioyne vnto another devised by man for the worship and service of God and consequently whether they that ioyne to the present Ecclesiasticall ministry worship and order of the Cathedrall and Parishionall Assemblies can be assured by the word of God that they ioyne to the former or dayned by Christ and not to the latter devised by man for the worship and service of God AN ANSWERE TO TEN Counter-Demands Propounded by T. DRAKES Preacher of the Word at H. and D. in the County of ESSEX REverend sir you haue given vs heer a Counter blow and as it is reported you yet thinke to giue vs if not a greater yet another Blow but you earnestly desired to haue these your Ten Counterblowes directly and distinctly ansvvered vvhich I vvill labour to do God assisting mee Demand 1. Your first Demande is Whether our seperation from your Church or Church-assembles of England can in any probability be pleasing vnto God seeing it hath had say you such vnhappy beginnings and so many dismall and fatall events the first founder of it comming to Iudas his shamefull and fearfull end hanging him selfe and the second you say totally recanting and comming againe to you as divers of our proselites doe daily c. Answere This is the sume or ground of your first Demande other vvords there are here and there dropt from your pen vvhich giue no strength at all to your demand therefore I passe them by and ansvver yea Though this be true that you haue saide yet may our separation from your Church or parish-assēblies of England be pleasing vnto God and for proof hereof consider vvhat follovveth This your demand is like as if a Cananite or Philistim should thus haue demaunded of the Israelites Whether is it like that the wars you hould against vs can in any probability be pleasing unto God seeing that they haue had such vnhappy successe vvith so many dismal fatall events