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A82317 Right reformation: or, The reformation of the church of the New Testament, represented in Gospell-light. In a sermon preached to the Honourable House of Commons, on Wednesday, November 25. 1646. Together with a reply to the chief contradictions of Master Love's sermon, preached the same day. All published for the good of the faithfull, at their desire. / By William Dell, minister of the Gospel, attending on his Excellency Sir Thomas Fairfax. Dell, William, d. 1664. 1646 (1646) Wing D927; Thomason E363_2; Thomason E363_3; ESTC R201227 36,729 61

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raced out then the least truth contained in the word of God Though I like the Covenant well enough according to the true intention of it Again if the thing be truly considered it will appear that you are more against the Covenant then I for the Covenant engages us to reform according to the word of God but you it seems would reform without yea against the word with outward and secular power which you will not suffer in the Magistrates hands neither but will needs have it in your own Mr. LOVE If this Doctrine be true That Gospel Reformation be only spirituall then I wonder how Paul was so out who said When I come I will set all things in order surely that was a Church Order Reply But pray What outward or secular power had Paul who suffered not onely much from the world but most from the false Apostles to set the Church in order Did Paul think you use any worldly power to set the Church in order or only the power of the word and spirit But these men think if the Church be to be set in order by the word and spirit onely which were sufficient in Pauls time it 's like to be out of order for them Mr. LOVE To cry down all kinde of Government under heart-government and all Reformation as carnall because you have the Civil Magistrates hand to it is against that place of Paul 1 Tim. 2. 2. Pray for Kings and all that are in authority that we may lead a quiet and a peaceable life in all godlinesse and honestie Reply Well argu'd now indeed Babes and sucklings you shall come forth and answer this Master i● Israel The sense of this place is evidently this That Christians should pray for Kings Governors that God would so incline their hearts that whilest we live in godlinesse under them they would suffer us to live in peace and not make us fare the worse in the world for our interest in the kingdom of God And what one drop can Mr. Love squeeze out of this Scripture to cool the tip of his tongue For the meaning is not That the Magistrate should inforce godlinesse but protect us in godlinesse Mr. LOVE To justle out the Magistrates power is to justle out the first Article of the Covenant What again and they that justle out that will justle out you shortly Reply Good Sir Ascribe not your own work to ●●r hands The justling out the Magistrate have you not made it the chief part of your businesse now for a long while together and are you not still so diligently acting it every day that now you think your work is in some forwardnesse and you are pretty well able to deal with him And now because you would not be mistrusted your selves you publickly slander us with it Wee see cleerly thorow all your slender disguises Mr. LOVE Ezra was of another mind Ezra 7. 26. Whosoever will not do the Law of thy God and the Law of thy King let Iudgement be executed speedily upon him whether it be unto death or unto banishment or to confiscation of goods or to imprisonment Reply Well Sir will you stand to this place and shall this end the controversie Pray mark then This was part of the Decree of Artaxerxes a King of the Nations touching the Jewes for the rebuilding of the material Temple That they should have liberty to do it and not be molested in the doing of it but should have what assistance the State could afford The Decree was this Ezra 7. 13. I make a Decree That all they of the people of Israel and of the Priests and Levites in any Realm which are minded of their own free will to go up to Jerusalem go with thee For asmuch as thou art sent of the King and his seven Councellors to enquire concerning Iudah and Ierusalem according to the Law of thy God that is in thy hand c. And ver. 21. ● Artaxerxes the King do make a Decree to all the Treasurers beyond the River That whatsoever Ezra the Priest shall require of you it be done speedily unto two hundred Talents of silver And then ver. 26. follows Whoever will not do the law of thy God and the law of thy King Let him be so and so punished as you have heard 1. Here then you see That Artaxerxes made no decree to inforce all the Jewes to go build but as the Text saith Those that were minded of their own free will See you not here that even a King of the Nations thought it unreasonable to force any man to go to build Gods material house against his will 2. And secondly you see How he gave them no lawes how to build but permitted them to do it according to the law of their God that was in their hands 3. And thirdly you see How he deterred any from hindering them from this work upon pain of death banishment c. Do you not perceive now by this time how you then deceived the people by giving them the letter of the Word without the true sense of it as Satan dealt with Christ in his temptations Such Sermons bring an Houre of Temptation upon the people This then is the force of the place 1. First That the Magistrate may make a Decree for all that are minded of their own free will to build the Spiritual Temple of Jesus Christ and to gather up into a Communion of Saints 2. Secondly That he ought to permit this to be done according to the law of our God that is in our hands or rather according to the law of the Spirit of life that is in our Hearts and not to inforce upon us any Clergy constitutions 3. And thirdly That he may deterre you and the rest of the Kingdome that are of the like minde from resisting and bindering this work which hath its authority from Heaven That so the Saints the Kingdome of Christ may pray for the Magistrate and Christ the King of Saints may blesse the Magistrate and make him prosperous And pray now what is all this to your purpose Mr. LOVE If it was good in your Hearts to think to Reform it s much better to do it Reply Does not GOD say It was well that David thought to build a Temple and yet for all that he should not build it And do you now dare to blame this very thing Cannot the Scripture it self be quiet for you Mr. LOVE You need not fear losing a Party Reply Yea but how if God be in that Party What then sir Is it not better keeping a little poor despised Party that hath GOD in it then a great and numerous Party without God Again Did you preach before the Parliament to make or cast off parties Doth this appertain to the mysterie of Christ and the Father Reader These men are so over-busie in making and marring Parties that I much feare they will in the end throw the Kingdome into more misery and blood than their Predecessors have