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A04026 Informations, or a protestation, and a treatise from Scotland Seconded with D. Reignoldes his letter to Sir Francis Knollis. And Sir Francis Knollis his speach in Parliament. All suggesting the vsurpation of papal bishops. Knollys, Francis, Sir, d. 1643.; Rainolds, John, 1549-1607.; Simson, Patrick, 1556-1618. 1608 (1608) STC 14084; ESTC S107421 32,696 102

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from witnessing this to be heresy by the generall consent of the whole Church Which untruth how wrongfully it is fathered on him and on Epiphanius who yet are all the witnesses that D. Bancroft hath produced for the proofe hereof or can for ought that I know it may appeare by this that our learned country man of godly memory Bishop Iewell when Harding to convince the same opinion of heresie alleadged the same witnesses he cyting to the contrary Chrysostome Ierom Austen and Ambrose knit up his answer with these wordes All these and other moe holy Fathers together with the Apoflle S. Paul for thus saying by Hardings advice must be held for heretikes And Michaell Medina a man of great accoūt in the Counsell of Trent more ingenious herein than many other Papists affirmeth not onely the former anciēt writers alleadged by Bishop Iewel but also an other Ierom Theodoret Primasius Sedulius and Theophilact were of the same mind touching this matter with Aerius With whom agree likewise Oecumenius and Anselmus Arch B of Canterbury and an other Ansel mus and Gregorie and Gratian and after them how many It being once inrolled in the Canon law for sound and Catholike doctriue and therupon publikly taught by learned men All which doe beare witnes against D. Bācroft of the poynt in question that it was not condemned for an Heresie by the generall consent of the whole Church For if he should reply that these later witnesses did liue a 1000. yeares after Christ and therfore touch not him who said it was condemned so in the time of S. Austen and of Epiphanius the most florishing time of the Church that ever happēed since the Apostles dayes either in respect of learnīg or of zeale first they whom I named though living in a latter time yet are witnesses of the former Oecumenius the Greek scholiast treading in the stepps of the old greek Fathers and the two Anselmes with Gregory and Gratian expressing S. Ieromes sentence word by word Besides that perhaps it is not very likely that Anselmus of Canterbury should haue beene Canonized by the Pope of Rome and worshipped for a Saint that the other Anselmus Gregory should haue such place in the Popes library and be esteemed of as they are that Gratians works should be allowed so long time by so many Popes for the golden foūdation of the Canon law if they had taught that for Catholike and sound which by the generall consent of the whole Church in the most flourishing time that ever happened since the Apostles dayes was condemned for heresie cheifely in a matter of such waight and moment to the Popes supremacy which as they doe claime over all Bishops by the ordināce of God so must they allow to Bishopps over Preists by the same ordinance as they saw at length and therefore haue not only decreed it now in the Counsell of Trent but also in the new edition of their Canō law haue set down this note that on Hughes Glosse allowed by the Archdeacon saying that Bishops haue differed from Preists alwayes as they doe now in Governement and Prelatship and offices and Sacraments but not in the name and Title of Bishop which was common to them both must be held hereafter for S. Ieroms meaning at least for the meaning of the Canon taken out of S. Ierom though his words be flat playne against this glosse as Bellarmine himselfe confesseth Wherto may be added that they also who hauelaboured about the reforming of the Church these 500 yeares haue taught that all Pastors be they intituled Bishops or Preists haue equall authority and power by Gods word First the Waldenses next Marsilius Patavinus then Wickliffe and his schollers afterward Husse and the Hussites last of all Luther Calvinc Brentius Bullinger Musculus and other who might be reckoned perticulerly in great number sith as here with us both Bishops and the Queenes Professors of Divinity in our Vniversities and other learned men do cōsent therein so in forreine Nations all whō I haue read treating of this matter and many moe no doubt whom I haue not read The sifting and examyning of the Trent Counsell hath been udertaken by only two which I haue seene the one a divine the other a lawier Kemnisius and Gentilletus they both condēne the contrary doctrine thereunto as a Trent error the one by scriptures and Fathers the other by the Canon law But what doe I further speake of several persons It it the cōmon judgment of the Reformed Churches of Helveti a Savoy France Scotlād Germany Hungary Polony the Lowe Coūtries our owne witnes the Harmony of Confessions Wherefore sith D. Bancroft I assure my selfe will not say that all these haue approved that as sound Christian doctrine which by the generall consent of the whole Church in a most florishing time was condemned for heresie I hope he will acknowledg that he was overseene in that he avou ched the Superiority which Bishops haue among vs over the Cleargie to be of Gods owne ordināce And thus farr of the former poynt of D. Bancroft Sermon The latter is concerning that he af firmeth that S. Ierom saith M. Calvin seemeth on his report to confesse that Bishops haue had the said superi ority ever since the time of S. Marke the Evangelist Of the which poynt I thinke as of the former sith neither Ie rom saith it neither doth Calvin seeme to confesse it on his report For Bishops among us besids ordeyning laying on of handes may doe sondry other thinges which inferior Ministers or Preists as D. Bācroft termeth thē may not But Ierom after mention of the superiority allotted to Bishops since S. Marks time what doth a Bishop saith he except ordination which a Preist doth not Meaning in forcing by this kind of speach as a thing most evident such as no man could deny that Bishops had that onely power aboue Preists then which Chrysostome also witnesseth Though neither had they it alone in all places as it is apparant by a Counsell of Carthage shewing their Churches order that the Preists layd their hands together with the Bishop on those who were ordeyned Yet Ierom having proved by testimony of scripture that in the Apostles tymes Bishops and Preists were all one even in the right of this too grāteth that afterwardes Bishops had that peculier unto themselues some where but nothing else saue it S. Ierom therfore saith not of that superiority whereof the question is that Bishops haue had it ever since S. Marks time No more doth M. Calvin seeme to confesse it upon his report For Calvin in the same place that D. Bancroft quoteth shewing how in old time the Ministers that had charge to teach chose of their company one in every Citie to whom they did especially giue the title of