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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A68845	The vvorlde possessed with deuils conteinyng three dialogues. 1. Of the Deuill let loose. 2. Of blacke deuils. 3. Of white deuils. And of the commyng of Iesus Christe to iudgement, a verie necessarie and comfortable discourse for these miserable and daungerous daies.; Monde à l'empire et le monde démoniacle fait par dialogues. Part 2. English. Selections	Viret, Pierre, 1511-1571.; Chauncie, William.	1583 (1583)	STC 24786; ESTC S119207	112,768	274

of the same shall not bee taken awaie but onely chaunged and disguised Tobie Nay it will be worse for it wil not onely bee chaunged and disguised but more inforced Theo. How can that be Tobie Thou knowest that what power so euer the Pope and his haue ouer the church in their estate yet can thei not doe what thei list except thei do otherwise then thei ought to doe For first thei cā put no man to death but must deliuer vp to y e secular power suche as thei iudge worthy of corporal punishmēt either for heresie or cōmittyng of any other crime against the faithe and religion But if the whole power of the church be in the magistrates handes thei maie bind and loose as thei list Thei nede not to borrowe the sword of an other whiche thei enioye theimselues Furthermore notwithstandyng the greate abuse in the Romishe Churche yet were the Councels Sinodes and auncient cannons alwaies of some aucthoritie with thē There is neither Pope Cardinall nor Bishop that dare vndertake to admit any into y e Ministerie of the Churche except he haue passed the order which he must passe and without some forme of electiō If any be deposed out of the ministerie he shal not be deposed without beyng heard as appertaineth to hym that is to said without forme of Ecclesiasticall iudgement But if the whole power be in the Magistrates hand thei may place or displace the Ministers as thei list without any Ecclesiasticall order be it right or wrong Thei maie vse thē as seruauntes that whē thei are wearie of them thei maie put them awaie or put thē to death as thei list I meane if the Magistrates bee tyrantes and haue none that dare gainsaie thē without the like daunger And so Wolues shal be thrust into the Churche of God and the true shepheardes shal be driuen out For tyrantes will neuer abide to heare the troth as it ought to be told thē and if thei be no tyrantes thei will be content with the charge whiche the lorde hath giuen thē and will beware how thei attribute to their particular that whiche is common to all the Churche or which is specially ioyned to the Ministers of the same Theo. I perceiue thou speakest reason for though the Pope and his abuse and haue of long tyme abused bothe Councelles and auncient Cannons and that thei vse no part of the auncient discipline of the churche but onely the names and titles yet dare thei not so openly give themselves over to 〈…〉 thei would if that bridle were not Tobie Therevpon I conclude that if this bridle could not so kepe thē within their boūdes but that thei haue ouerpassed them verie muche as you saie it will be worse whē the power of the churche is in the hādes of those whiche are armed with the temporall sword whiche haue none other Lawes to restraine them and keepe them in their boundes but suche as thei themselues will take and those at their pleasure And besides that how oftē chaunceth it that th●●e of this estate haue neither learning nor knowledge and are the least exercised in matters belongyng to the Churche And yet these shal be thei that shal commaūde Ministers and Preachers what thei liste on paine of their sworde and shall appoinct thē lawes touchyng their estate ministerie and likewise to the whole church Theo. I confesse y e al these incōueniences might come of suche tyrannie And therfore the true ministers of y e Gospell perceiuyng the subtiltie of satan in suche case forseing his pretence preuent suche thynges betime Wherfore thei crie no lesse against suche tiranny abuse whē thei perceiue it then thei haue heretofore cried against the tyrāny and abuse of the Pope and the Popishe churche Tobie There are very fewe that doe so for I know the greatest part to belly gods flatterers hirelinges who haue the good will of the Magistrates and higher powers speake as pleaseth them whom thei seeke to please and confirme their tyrannie In steede of reprouyng them and fightyng in the quarrell of the libertie of the Churche Wherefore if thei haue good occasion to call our Priestes and Mōkes belly gods and false Shepherdes your preachers are not voide of the same fault thei can plaie that parte well inough Theo. I would I could in all pointes disproue thee herein But I praie thee consider whēce those belly gods are come to vs come not the moste parte of them frō those whom thou mentionedst euen now Thinkest thou that all those priestes and monkes that now hold on our side are now wholy vnpriested vnmonked Thinkest thou not that the deuil hath sent thē emongst vs to ●●asider the Gospel hauing inough to 〈◊〉 his turne beside Wherefore it is no meruaile if he goe about to sow those ●ermine vnder other habite and ●●ler where suche Apostates will 〈◊〉 receiued in their 〈◊〉 habit For he is contented that thei vncloth y e outward habit so thei vncloche not their priesthood or monkehood But tho there be suche yet thanked bee God there are other whiche are ready contēted not onely to be driuen awaie and banished in maintainyng the libertie of y e true discipline of the Churche in despite of tyrantes but also to giue their livesin so good a qua●●ell Tobie If there be any suche thei 〈◊〉 thicke sowē but come thin vp and besides that thei shall finde very fewe either of their 〈◊〉 or of the Magistrates or commēs that wil sticke to thē in the maintenaunce therof but almost all sortes of men crie out against thē and against rebelles sedicious persons that trouble the whole churche Now what better hope of reformation is there too be loked for at your han̄des then at ours but onely that it is like 〈…〉 ouerthrowen with you then euer it was 〈…〉 nere by the Popes 〈…〉 I dare saie that I se already 〈…〉 that vnder title of reformatiō by the Gospell some christian Princes haue in 〈…〉 vsurped more tyranny ouer the Churches in their dominion their 〈…〉 and his adherentes in sixe hundred yeres Theo. Thou talkest at pleasure of affectiō that thou bearest against vs and our religiō But in this meane while thou cōsiderest not the goodnesse of those that feare God aswell Ministers Magistrates as common people For as there are good Shepherdes whiche faithfully execute their office vsurpyng nothing ouer the Churche or Magistrates but honoryng thē as thei ought according to the worde of God So likewise are there many true christiā Magistrates which let helping hande bothe to the churche and ministers of thesame not to oppresse thē but to helpe and further thē in their charge asmuch as either of their offices requireth And when this agremēt is betwene the Magistrates and the ministers the people whiche are committed to their charge do willingly frams themselues to yeld to God and their pastors 〈◊〉 his seruantes the honor obedience whiche thei owe●vnto