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A20475 A quartron of reasons, composed by Doctor Hill, vnquartered, and prooued a quartron of follies: by Francis Dillingham, Bachelour of Diuinitie. August, in Senten ... Dillingham, Francis, d. 1625. 1603 (1603) STC 6889; ESTC S118442 90,324 122

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as hearing Gods word afflictions with other things we doe not denie them but if you vnderstand workes which deserue fauour of congruitie we reiect them as some of your owne men doe giue vs leaue to doe that which is done by your selues and indeede who can thinke that he to whome damnation is due should merit and deserue Gods grace this is madde diuinitie Augustine saith ●● Psal Nihil boni fecisti datur tibi remissio peccatorum attenduntur opera tua inueniuntur omnia mala Thou hast done no good and remission of sinne is giuen thee thy workes are considered they are found all euill To be short saith the same father Miseretur Deus God of his great goodnesse hath mercie and he bardeneth without any iniquitie 〈…〉 that neither he which is deliuered might boast of his owne merits neither he which is condemned might complaine but of his owne deserts for onely grace discerneth those that are saued from those that are damned Nowe M. Doctor plead you merits and deserts I for my part will cleaue onely to grace From workes of preparation we are to descend to good workes and free will but of these I haue spoken before and therefore I will not repeat the matters handled but come to the keeping of Gods commandements which we denie can be done in that perfection as the lawe requireth for there is no man that sinneth not and to say as the Papists say is plaine Pelagianisme facilia dicis saith Hierom thou saiest Gods commandement are easie Ad C●● and yet thou canst alleadge none that hath fulfilled them all Augustines testimonies are pregnant in this point wherefore to leaue it as also humane lawes and to speake of the seauen Sacraments The Papists make not onely 7. Sacraments but many moe For as they make orders one of the seauen so doe they make diuers Sacraments in orders as namely the order of Bishops one sacrament the order of Priesthood another and the order of Deaconship another as Bellarmine sheweth Hence it is plaine that they make about seauen sacraments yea they make inferior orders also a Sacrament and so they haue exceedingly multiplied the number of sacraments but we make but two and this number I prooued before out of Augustine besides the Sacraments did flowe out of Christs side but onely blood and water did issue out of Christs side ergo there are but two Water signifieth Baptisme and blood the Eucharist touching the proofe of this that the sacraments did flowe out of Christs fide read Bellarmine lib. 1. de Sacr. cap. 15. To proceede August in 8. tract in Iob. in a Sacrament there must be a word of institution and an outward element Accedat verbum ad clementum fiat Sacramentum Let the word come to the element and so it shall be a Sacrament But onely Baptisme and the supper of the Lord hath an outward element and the word of institution ergo I will not adioyne the testimonies of Fathers neither shewe that Durand denieth matrimonie to be a Sacrament after the Sacraments The Doctor nameth Priesthood of which I haue spoken as also of the single life of the Cleargie But concerning Priesthood I would know whether his Priests are after Aarons order or after Melchizedechs Aarons order is ceased Melchizedechs order is peculiar to Christ what Priesthood then would you haue M. Doctor And whereas you say that we denie pennance contritiō and the perpetuall virginitie of the Virgin Marie with trimming vp of Churches ceremonies and singing it is false for we teach godly sorrow to be necessarie vnto saluation and do not denie the perpetual virginitie of the virgin Marie neither do we condemne moderate trimming vp of churches ceremonies as for satisfaction and the reall presence I haue handled them before as also worshipping of Images and the visibilitie of the Church I will speake of praier vnto Saints which as yet I haue not spoken of If we must pray vnto Saints we must beleeue in them for to whomsoeuer we pray we must beleeue in him but we must not beleeue in Saints ergo If you answer that we may beleeue in Saints heare what the Fathers write Vemantius saith Vbi prepostio In ponitur To. 2. ibi diuinitas approbatur Whersoeuer the preposition in is there the Diuinitie is approoued To Vemantius agreeth Paschasius T● 9. Credimus Ecclesiam quasi regenerationis matrem non in Ecclesiam credimus quasi salutis vxorem We beleeue the holy Church as the mother of regeneration but we beleeue not in the Church as the author of saluatiō Bellarm. prooueth the Deitie of Christ because we must beleeue in him to beleeue then in Saints is to make them Gods Nazianzene also prooueth the Deitie of the holy Ghost because we beleeue in the holy Ghost Furthermore to whomesoeuer we must pray we must call him Father but we must not call any Saint Father ergo The proposition is manifest out of the Lords praier which is a perfect patterne of praier Ep. 121. for as saith Augustine Quālibet alia verba dicamus nihil aliud dicimus quàm in ista oratione dominica positum est si rectè congruentur oramus Although we vtter other wordes yet we say no other thing then is contained in the Lords praier if we pray conueniently and aright Thirdly to whomsoeuer we must pray he must knowe the heart but onely God knoweth the heart ergo Theophylact vpon the 19. of Math. writeth that ex hoc quòd cogitationes resciuit ostendit se Deum Christus Christ by this thing did shewe himselfe God because he knew their thoughts Now M. Doctor iudge whether you haue not vttered a most wretched speech that a horse if he could speak might be as good a Protestant as the best of them all We come not in with bare negatiues but with sound arguments which if you can answere I reduce your argument into a syllogisme They which stand vpon bare negatiues are of a false religion But the Protestants stand vpon bare negatiues ergo The assumption as I haue shewed is vtterly false And M. Doctor I would knowe whether you owne men stand vpon bare negatiues or no. We teach many points as I haue prooued which the Papists hold themselues if we stand vpon hare destructiues then doe they also Charge not vs then M. Doctor with bare negatiues except you will disgrace your own men The 15. reason Diuinitie Salomon giueth counsaile that an other should cōmend vs not we our selues yet this Doctor thirsteth so after praise that he commendeth the papists for learning and condemneth the protestants for Idiotes I doe not willingly diminish the papists learning virtus in hoste laudanda vertue is to be commended in our enemies yet now I am enforced to shew the Papists ignorance and to defend the protestants knowledge many Popes as I haue prooued haue beene so ignorant that they did not know their grammer Pope Benedictus saith Waltheramus
that congregation which teacheth the cōtrarie to be a false Church Hence I gather that true doctrine is a note to discerne the Church for if that be the true Church which teacheth holy doctrine then holy doctrine is onely in the church for if it be not inseperable from the same it cannot marke and chalke the Church Now by holy doctrine Christian reader I meane not that which may haue a shew of holinesse in the opinion of men but that which gods word alloweth The Pharisie may fast and make great shew of pietie The Montanists had three lents in the yeare the false Apostles did teach doctrine which had a shewe of wisdome Coloss 2.15 in voluntarie worship and humblenes of mind and in not sparing the bodie out of which we gather that pretended pietie and holines must not be made a note to discerne a Church but such holines of doctrine as Gods word doth allow for indeed that onely is holy and all other doctrine is prophane whatsoeuer shew it may haue with men The Doctor to prooue his opinion saith that the church is called holy because it professeth and teacheth nothing but that which is holy Who would thinke that a Doctor could be ignorant in his creed The church is called holy because it is washed in the blood of Christ and sanctified by his spirit The Apostle sheweth that the Church hath no wrinckle Eph. 5.27 which is as much as if he had called it holy That this is so it is plain because the triumphāt church is holy yet teacheth no doctrine this triumphant church is vnderstood in the creed as wel as the militant witnes the Papists themselues who teach also that it is called holy because it is consecrate to God But graunt him that the Church is therefore called holy because it teacheth holy doctrine doeth the Church of Rome teach such doctrine let vs see whether it be so or noe here he will not compare liues and yet he saith that Catholikes liue like Saints What Saints Catholikes are I haue shewed before to omit this then to come to his grounds He prooueth their holinesse of doctrine because Priests may not marrie This is so farre from beeing holy doctrine that it is deuillish doctrine as I will make plaine to your conscience M. Doctor The Apostles were married Euseb l. 3. 27. for Petrus Philippus liheris procreandis operam dederunt Peter and Philip did beget children Philemon if we beleeue Bellarmine was a Bishop and he had his wife Apphia as Chrysostome witnesseth The Councell of Ancyra Lib. 1. de Chr. c 27. can 10 decreeth after this manner Diaconi quicunque cum ordinantur c. Deacons whatsoeuer they be if in their ordinatiō they protest that they cānot containe if they marrie after let thē remaine in the ministerie ergo marriage is not a prophaning of orders If this Councell will not suffice Irenaeus I hope will who auoucheth that a Deacon had speciosam vxorem a beutifull wife Lib. 1. cap. 9. Lib. 2. de gest con Basil Aeneas Syluius writeth thus Id quod de vxore dicitur nihil pendo cùm non solum qui vxorem habuit sed vxorem adhuc habens queat assumi That which is obiected concerning a wife I regard not seeing not onely he which had but also he which hath one may be Pope I let passe the historie of Paphnutius Tempore cap. 14. l. 6. mentioned by Socrates and others Basilius was Ecclesiae Ancyranae Presbyter Eupsychius Cappadociae Basil was priest of Ancyra and Eupsychius of Cappadocia they ended their liues in Martyrdome and yet Eupsychius had lately taken a wife was but euen as a Bridegrome Chaeraemon a Bishoppe fledde in persecution with his wife Euseb lib. 6. cap. 41. l. 5. 21. Socrates writeth that many bishops Dum Episcopatum gerunt etiam liberos ex vxore legitima procreant whiles they are Bishops doe beget children of their lawfull wiues Spiridion was a Bishop and had a daughter Irene But heare what Bellarmine writeth he prooueth that single life is not annexed vnto orders by diuine right and therefore saith that Si liceat Sacerdotibus iure diuino habere vxores quas ante ordinationem duxerant cur quaeso etiam non licuisset Decaeli sacer etiam post ordinationem ducere If Priests by Gods word might retaine their wiues which they had before ordination why I pray you was it not lawefull to marrie after ordination also Nowe I haue prooued that Priests did retaine their wiues which they had before ordination ergo But M. Doctor if it be so holy doctrine to denie Priests lawfull marriage then what shall we say of Popes who giue dispensation in this point you knowe what your men write the Pope dispenseth against the Apostle is not this good diuinitie to teach that the Pope may dispense against holy doctrine but you like the Donatists as it seemeth hold that Quod volumus sanctum est that which we will is holy Your Inkchorne tearmes in which you flourish after this maner that the Protestants wiuing rewiuing tricke and trimme vp themselues to please the eies of their sweete hearts with their starched ruffes fine monsaches trimme tuscabonians may be doubled vpon your selues who vse all these with many moe vanities as curling the haire to please your Concubines and harlots Inde est saith Bernard quem quotidie vides meretricius nitor Serm. 33 in Cant. histrionicus habitus regius apparatus inde aurum in franis in sellis in calcaribus Thence is it as thou maiest daily see that they be trimmed like whoores attyred like plaiers serued like Princes thence is it that they were gold in their bridles saddles spurs This hath no Lutheran vttered but deuote Bernard himselfe concerning the Romish maners and that you may know the fruits of this your doctrine heare what Aeneas Syluius saith in the place before quoted Plures saluarentur in sacerdotio coniugato qui nunc in sterili Presbiterio damnantur Many might be saued in married Priesthood which now are condemned in barren Priesthood Panormitan also saith that ex lege continentiae by the lawe of continencie Priests are defiled with vnlawfull copulation but because I desire breuitie I referre you to Gildas the title of his booke i● Acris inuectio in Ecclesiasticum ordinem a sharpe inuectiue against the Ecclesiasticall order Thus M. Doctour it had bin good for you to haue concealed this prophane doctrine of your impure priesthood You say further that the Romane religion teacheth restitution of goods wrongfully gotten so doe we teach and say with Augustine Non remittitur peccatum nisi restituatur ablatum the sinne is not forgiuen without restitution and therefore you slaunder vs most detestably saying that we leaue all at large to our followers To proceede the cathohke Romane religion teacheth obseruation of vowes and promises so doe we of lawfull vowes and promises but otherwise we say in