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A69235 A treatise against lying Wherein is shevved vvhat it is, the nature and causes of this sinne, the divers kindes of it; and that all of them are sinfull, and unlawfull, with the motives and meanes to preserve us from it, or to cure us of it. By John Dovvname, B. of D. and preacher of Gods Word. Downame, John, d. 1652. 1636 (1636) STC 7149; ESTC S116622 107,724 178

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be_v mortal_a sin_n see_v venial_a sin_n as_o they_o call_v they_o be_v not_o commit_v contra_fw-la praecepta_fw-la decalogi_fw-la sed_fw-la praeter_fw-la ea_fw-la not_o against_o the_o commandment_n but_o beside_o they_o again_o it_o be_v a_o sin_n against_o nature_n to_o lie_v in_o any_o kind_n because_o word_n natural_o be_v the_o sign_n and_o signification_n of_o those_o thing_n which_o be_v in_o the_o mind_n and_o therefore_o it_o be_v against_o nature_n to_o speak_v or_o signify_v any_o way_n that_o which_o the_o mind_n think_v not_o final_o in_o every_o lie_n though_o never_o so_o pleasant_a or_o profitable_a there_o be_v a_o loss_n of_o truth_n which_o be_v a_o virtue_n most_o acceptable_a unto_o god_n and_o therefore_o the_o impeachment_n of_o it_o can_v be_v recompense_v by_o our_o profit_n or_o delight_n but_o let_v we_o more_o particular_o examine_v these_o divers_a unlawful_a §._o 2._o that_o merry_a lie_n be_v sinful_a and_o unlawful_a sort_n of_o lie_n and_o consider_v how_o and_o in_o what_o measure_n and_o degree_n they_o be_v sinful_a and_o unlawful_a and_o first_o for_o pernicious_a lie_n there_o be_v no_o question_n make_v by_o any_o but_o that_o they_o be_v in_o a_o high_a degree_n sinful_a as_o be_v against_o truth_n justice_n and_o charity_n and_o whole_o tend_v to_o god_n dishonour_n the_o hurt_n of_o our_o neighbour_n and_o our_o own_o destruction_n and_o damnation_n as_o i_o shall_v more_o full_o show_v hereafter_o and_o therefore_o pass_v they_o over_o i_o will_v examine_v the_o other_o kind_n and_o first_o for_o merry_a lie_n it_o be_v common_o conceive_v that_o if_o there_o be_v no_o scurrility_n in_o they_o they_o may_v pass_v as_o tolerable_a because_o they_o do_v no_o hurt_n unto_o ourselves_o or_o neighbour_n but_o delight_n and_o recreate_v both_o and_o they_o that_o tell_v they_o intend_v not_o to_o deceive_v their_o hearer_n or_o but_o a_o while_n that_o they_o may_v the_o more_o delight_v they_o for_o either_o they_o be_v apparent_a in_o themselves_o to_o be_v but_o jest_n and_o lie_v by_o the_o gross_a absurdity_n that_o be_v see_v at_o the_o first_o view_n or_o be_v discover_v to_o be_v so_o by_o the_o gesture_n and_o pronunciation_n so_o that_o they_o be_v not_o much_o unlike_a unto_o hyperbole_n or_o irony_n in_o respect_n of_o the_o outward_a form_n and_o show_v save_v that_o they_o differ_v in_o their_o end_n and_o use_v see_v they_o be_v use_v to_o teach_v and_o express_v the_o truth_n in_o a_o rhetorical_a manner_n but_o these_o only_a to_o delight_v the_o hearer_n and_o of_o this_o mind_n saint_n augustine_n seem_v to_o have_v be_v 2._o contra_fw-la mendacium_fw-la ad_fw-la consentium_fw-la lib._n 1._o cap._n 2._o who_o think_v that_o they_o can_v scarce_o be_v take_v for_o lie_n jest_v therefore_o say_v he_o be_v to_o be_v except_v which_o be_v never_o think_v to_o be_v lie_n because_o they_o have_v a_o most_o evident_a signification_n by_o the_o pronunciation_n or_o the_o disposition_n of_o he_o that_o thus_o jest_v and_o proceed_v from_o a_o mind_n not_o willing_a to_o deceive_v although_o it_o utter_v not_o truth_n and_o sure_o there_o be_v say_v peter_n martyr_n but_o a_o little_a of_o a_o lie_n in_o these_o merry_a tale_n see_v though_o they_o willing_o speak_v that_o which_o be_v not_o true_a yet_o the_o falsity_n be_v easy_o discern_v and_o can_v deceive_v the_o hearer_n but_o whether_o these_o merry_a tale_n or_o lie_n ought_v to_o be_v use_v by_o perfect_a man_n or_o strict_a christian_n s._n augustine_n doubt_v in_o 3._o chap._n 3._o that_o place_n though_o he_o clear_v it_o in_o another_o where_o he_o say_v that_o he_o lie_v who_o have_v one_o thing_n in_o his_o mind_n and_o utter_v another_o thing_n by_o his_o word_n or_o any_o other_o signification_n the_o which_o the_o merry_a liar_n always_o do_v and_o though_o he_o do_v not_o deceive_v or_o hurt_v this_o do_v not_o clear_a his_o tale_n from_o be_v lie_n but_o only_o show_v that_o they_o be_v not_o lie_v of_o the_o worst_a kind_n or_o such_o as_o be_v pernicious_a see_v he_o lie_v who_o do_v speak_v willing_o otherwise_o than_o he_o think_v and_o as_o he_o speak_v in_o another_o 11._o contra_fw-la mendacium_fw-la ad_fw-la consentium_fw-la lib._n 1._o cap._n 11._o place_n those_o lie_n be_v not_o to_o be_v admit_v which_o although_o they_o do_v not_o hurt_v another_o yet_o they_o do_v not_o profit_v any_o and_o do_v hurt_v themselves_o with_o lie_n gratis_o and_o for_o nothing_o who_o proper_o 36._o duo_o sunt_fw-la genera_fw-la mendaciorum_fw-la in_o quibus_fw-la non_fw-la magna_fw-la culpa_fw-la est_fw-la sed_fw-la tamen_fw-la non_fw-la sunt_fw-la sine_fw-la culpâ_fw-la cum_fw-la aut_fw-la jocamur_fw-la aut_fw-la ut_fw-la proximis_fw-la prosimus_fw-la mentimur_fw-la there_o be_v two_o sort_n of_o lie_n in_o which_o be_v no_o great_a fault_n and_o yet_o they_o be_v not_o without_o fault_n when_o we_o jest_v or_o lie_v to_o profit_v our_o neighbour_n aug._n in_o psal_n 5._o tom._n 8._o col._n 27._o matth._n 12._o 36._o be_v to_o be_v call_v liar_n for_o there_o be_v this_o difference_n between_o one_o that_o tell_v a_o lie_n and_o a_o liar_n for_o he_o tell_v a_o lie_n who_o lie_v unwilling_o but_o a_o liar_n love_v to_o lie_v and_o have_v a_o mind_n that_o delight_v in_o lie_v and_o though_o such_o lie_n hurt_v not_o the_o hearer_n yet_o they_o great_o hurt_v the_o liar_n themselves_o because_o in_o so_o lie_v they_o forsake_v the_o truth_n and_o delight_n in_o falsity_n and_o choose_v rather_o to_o please_v man_n than_o to_o speak_v the_o truth_n again_o these_o merry_a lie_n be_v not_o only_o in_o their_o falsity_n opposite_a to_o truth_n but_o be_v also_o vain_a and_o idle_a speech_n and_o our_o saviour_n tell_v we_o that_o we_o must_v give_v a_o account_n at_o the_o day_n of_o judgement_n of_o every_o idle_a word_n yea_o epaminondas_n though_o a_o heathen_a shall_v at_o this_o day_n rise_v up_o in_o judgement_n against_o merry_a liar_n who_o be_v so_o strict_a and_o severe_a in_o embrace_v truth_n that_o he_o will_v not_o allow_v a_o lie_n to_o be_v speak_v so_o much_o as_o by_o way_n of_o jest_n furthermore_o if_o it_o be_v unlawful_a to_o tell_v officious_a lie_n though_o they_o tend_v to_o our_o own_o and_o other_o benefit_n as_o we_o shall_v show_v hereafter_o how_o much_o less_o these_o merry_a lie_n which_o tend_v only_o to_o carnal_a delight_n for_o if_o as_o we_o ought_v to_o be_v we_o be_v spiritual_o mind_v why_o shall_v we_o rather_o take_v pleasure_n to_o hear_v or_o speak_v lie_n than_o to_o speak_v and_o hear_v the_o truth_n moreover_o the_o apostle_n require_v that_o we_o speak_v the_o truth_n one_o to_o another_o and_o put_v away_o lie_v and_o that_o our_o speech_n be_v always_o with_o grace_n season_v with_o 25._o ephes_n 4._o 25._o salt_n and_o tend_v to_o the_o use_n of_o edify_v that_o it_o may_v minister_v 29._o col._n 4._o 6._o ephes_n 4._o 29._o grace_n to_o the_o hearer_n final_o if_o they_o be_v condemn_v who_o make_v the_o heart_n of_o king_n and_o prince_n glad_a with_o their_o lie_n who_o in_o respect_n of_o their_o great_a 3._o hos_fw-la 7._o 3._o care_n and_o serious_a study_n about_o their_o weighty_a affair_n may_v be_v allow_v a_o over-measure_n of_o pleasure_n and_o delight_n how_o much_o more_o be_v they_o unlawful_a if_o they_o be_v use_v to_o ordinary_a person_n who_o stand_v in_o need_n of_o such_o mean_n to_o glad_a and_o cheer_v their_o heart_n second_o it_o may_v be_v demand_v whether_o it_o be_v unlawful_a §._o 3._o whether_o officious_a lie_v be_v unlawful_a altogether_o unlawful_a to_o tell_v officious_a lie_n see_v these_o in_o divers_a respect_n may_v seem_v both_o justifiable_a and_o commendable_a for_o he_o that_o tell_v they_o have_v no_o will_n simple_o to_o lie_v but_o to_o do_v good_a nor_o delight_v in_o lie_v but_o only_o as_o it_o conduce_v to_o this_o end_n neither_o have_v he_o any_o desire_n to_o deceive_v or_o hurt_v his_o neighbour_n but_o main_o aim_v at_o this_o end_n that_o he_o may_v benefit_v he_o by_o deliver_v he_o from_o some_o danger_n or_o free_v he_o from_o some_o great_a evil_n which_o he_o be_v not_o able_a to_o effect_v by_o any_o other_o mean_n to_o which_o i_o answer_v that_o if_o it_o be_v a_o sin_n to_o lie_v as_o before_o i_o have_v show_v and_o shall_v more_o full_o prove_v hereafter_o because_o it_o be_v opposite_a to_o truth_n a_o virtue_n which_o be_v in_o high_a esteem_n with_o the_o god_n of_o truth_n and_o a_o direct_a breach_n of_o his_o commandment_n than_o it_o be_v unlawful_a to_o lie_v out_o of_o a_o desire_n to_o produce_v the_o great_a good_a for_o every_o sin_n be_v a_o offence_n against_o god_n infinite_a majesty_n and_o therefore_o deserve_v a_o infinite_a and_o endless_a punishment_n both_o in_o soul_n and_o 23._o
deceitful_a tongue_n and_o again_o they_o only_o consult_v to_o cast_v 4._o psal_n 62._o 4._o he_o down_o from_o his_o excellency_n they_o delight_v in_o lie_n now_o this_o kind_n admit_v of_o another_o distinction_n doctrine_n §._o 3._o of_o religious_a lie_n concern_v matter_n of_o faith_n and_o doctrine_n in_o respect_n of_o the_o divers_a subject_n whereabout_o it_o be_v exercise_v for_o either_o it_o be_v in_o point_n that_o concern_v matter_n of_o faith_n and_o the_o doctrine_n of_o religion_n in_o which_o respect_n it_o may_v be_v call_v a_o religious_a lie_n or_o matter_n civil_a and_o political_a in_o humane_a affair_n and_o the_o thing_n of_o life_n either_o public_a or_o private_a in_o which_o regard_n it_o may_v be_v call_v a_o political_a or_o civil_a lie_n the_o former_a be_v so_o much_o more_o pernicious_a than_o the_o latter_a as_o the_o glory_n of_o god_n and_o the_o eternal_a salvation_n of_o our_o soul_n which_o be_v hinder_v and_o impeach_v by_o it_o be_v more_o 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abhor_v above_o all_o other_o which_o concern_v our_o temporal_a good_n or_o life_n so_o saint_n augustine_n 13._o contra_fw-la mendacium_fw-la ad_fw-la consentium_fw-la lib._n 1._o cap._n 13._o if_o say_v he_o a_o lie_n which_o be_v speak_v against_o the_o temporal_a life_n of_o any_o man_n be_v detestable_a how_o much_o more_o that_o which_o be_v against_o life_n eternal_a as_o every_o lie_n be_v which_o be_v make_v in_o the_o doctrine_n of_o religion_n 18_o enchirid._n ad_fw-la laurent_n cap._n 18_o and_o again_o he_o do_v not_o hurt_v so_o much_o who_o by_o lie_v put_v a_o traveller_n out_o of_o the_o right_a way_n as_o he_o that_o by_o a_o deceive_a lie_n deprave_v the_o way_n of_o life_n a_o modest_a lie_n be_v when_o as_o a_o man_n deni_v or_o extenuate_v be_v §._o 4._o of_o a_o modest_a lie_n and_o what_o it_o be_v god_n grace_n in_o he_o his_o virtue_n good_a part_n and_o commendable_a action_n which_o he_o know_v to_o be_v in_o he_o or_o do_v by_o he_o the_o which_o proceed_v either_o from_o humility_n whereby_o a_o man_n undervalu_v himself_o and_o his_o gift_n either_o in_o the_o sight_n and_o sense_n of_o his_o contrary_a corruption_n or_o when_o he_o compare_v the_o little_a which_o he_o have_v receive_v with_o that_o that_o he_o want_v which_o he_o think_v so_o far_o short_a in_o proportion_n that_o his_o little_a in_o comparison_n seem_v nothing_o and_o thus_o a_o humble_a man_n speak_v what_o he_o think_v not_o proper_o be_v say_v to_o lie_v because_o his_o tongue_n and_o heart_n agree_v although_o he_o utter_v a_o untruth_n not_o speak_v as_o the_o thing_n be_v or_o else_o it_o proceed_v from_o inward_a pride_n which_o pursue_v glory_n and_o praise_n though_o not_o in_o the_o ordinary_a way_n yet_o as_o it_o be_v by_o a_o back_n door_n or_o postern_n gate_n dispraise_v those_o thing_n in_o themselves_o which_o they_o know_v to_o be_v praiseworthy_a and_o deny_v or_o extenuate_v those_o gift_n and_o good_a part_n which_o they_o not_o only_o know_v 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here_o signify_v only_o against_o but_o also_o toward_a or_o concern_v about_o or_o touch_v our_o neighbour_n neither_o be_v hurt_v only_o forbid_v but_o also_o any_o falsehood_n and_o untruth_n by_o any_o mean_v signify_v of_o unto_z or_o concern_v our_o neighbour_n for_o the_o word_n which_o be_v translate_v bear_v witness_n as_o if_o it_o be_v legal_o and_o before_o a_o judge_n signify_v in_o the_o original_n thou_o shall_v not_o answer_v which_o be_v as_o much_o in_o the_o hebrew_n phrase_n as_o thou_o shall_v not_o say_v or_o cause_n to_o be_v say_v as_o appear_v in_o divers_a 7._o divers_a prov._n 15._o 1._o matth._n 11._o 25._o b_o joh._n 1._o 7._o place_n and_o the_o word_n witness_n signify_v any_o manner_n of_o show_v any_o thing_n and_o so_o it_o be_v take_v in_o other_o scripture_n so_o that_o the_o sense_n of_o the_o commandment_n 15._o 1_o cor._n 15._o 15._o extend_v further_a than_o the_o word_n outward_o portend_v neither_o do_v it_o only_o forbid_v all_o false_a but_o 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