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The tryall of the nevv religion Contayning a plaine demonstration, that the late faith and doctrine of the Church of Rome, is indeede the new religion. By Thomas Bell.
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Bell, Thomas, fl. 1593-1610.
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1608
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STC 1832; ESTC S101552
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Io Gorsonus Michaell Baius and other famous papists not able to aunswere the reasons against Veniall sinnes confesse the truth with the Bishop That euery sinne is mortall Yea the Iesuite S. R. with the aduise of his best learned friends in his Aunswere to The downefall of Popery coÌfesseth plainly blusheth not thereat that the Church of Rome had not defined some sinnes to be Veniall vntill the dayes of Pius the fift and Gregory the thirteene which was not fiftie yeeres agoe These are the Iesuits owne wordes True it is that Bishop Fisher and Gerson were in that Errour but that was before it was condemned in the Church as it was since by Pius Quintus and Gregorius 13. Loe the Iesuite cannot denie that great learned Papistes held euery sinne to be mortall and therefore he had no other shift to defend Popery vvithall saue this onely which is a very silly one That the Church of Rome had not yet defined the matter O sweet Iesus what a world is this that silly foolish papists should bee so bewitched as to thinke Popery the Old Religion We see it plainely confessed by our Aduersaries that for the space of one thousand fiue hundred and threescore yeeres all sinnes vvere deemed mortall But because some sinnes to be Veniall made greatly for the life of popery as without which it could hardly liue continue pope Pius and after him Gregorius decreed it for an Article of popish fayth That some sinnes are mortall and some Veniall for vvhich Venialls God cannot iustlie condemne any one to hell if wee will beleeue the Pope and his doctrine First therefore seeing the Papists cannot agree among themselues what sinnes are against Gods law Secondly seeing their opinions in their Schooles are now adayes changed and not as they were in olde time Thirdly seeing all sinnes were beleeued and holden for mortall for the space of one thousand fiue hundred odde yeeres Fourthly seeing pope Pius and pope Gregorie could change sinnes mortall into Veniall Fiftly seeing the Pope siâting in his Chayâe or âyding on his White Palâray so he doe it iudieially can make that a poynt of popish fayth which was of no fayth for the space of one thousand and fiue hundred yeeres before that time I cannot but needes I must conclude with this ineuitable illation Ergo the Popish distinction without all rime or reason of mortall and veniall sinnes is nothing in deede but a rotten ragge of the New Religion CHAP. 8. Of the Popes Fayth VVIsedom with the whole troupe of Vertues were needfull for him that should dispute of the holy Fathers fayth or power I therefore post deosculationem pedum humbly pray to be heard in defence of Truth wherein I will desire no more of his Holinesse but onely that he will graunt so much to be true as I shall proue to be true by the testimony of the best Popish Writers The popish Seminarie Priestes write of this subiect in this manner As the pâudent Greeke appealed froÌ Alexander furious vnto Alexander sober and Bishop Crostrate from pope Adrian priuate to pope Adrian publique and as Summus Pontifex in Cathedra Petri so may the Seculars notwithstanding any decree set downe by his Holines to the contrary by wrong information giuen appeale euen from the Pope as Clemens vnto his Holinesse as Peter Thus ãâã William Watson in the name of all the rest By this Doctrine thus plainly deliuered which is a constant position in the Romish Church the Seculars giue vs to vnderstand that execrable and neuer enough detested fallacie where-with the Pope his popelings haue a long time sedueed the greater part of the Christian World viz. That the Pope may Erre as a priuate man but not as a publique person This is a great wonderment obserue vvell the sequell First therefore if wee meane to wring any truth out of the Popes nose wee must haue recourse to his Holinesse at such time as he is sober not when he is furious least he become starke mad and forget the knowledge of the Truth Secondly wee must haue the Popes aduise when he is a publique person not when or as he is a priuate man Thirdly we must goe vnto him not as he is indeed this or that pope but as he is Saint Peter that blessed Apostle of our Lord Iesus Thus much is necessarily gathered out of this popish doctrine Which beeing well marked Poperie will be the Newe Religion and turne it selfe vpside downe For first it is a constant Maxine in all popish doctrine that the Pope and none but the Pope must iudge in all Controuersiâs of fayth doctrine This notwithstanding we see by this popish doctrine so contrary is popery to it selfe that if the Pope judge of any matter as he is furious and not sober as he is a priuate man and not a publique person as hee is Clemens Sixtus Adrianus or some other like Pope and not S. Peter himselfe then he may Erre and so both he deceiued and deceiue others O my sârable Papists how are ye led headlong into pernicious Fayth and Doctrine and eyther doe not or will not see the same Your Pope say you may Erre as a priuate mân but not as pope or publique person This distinction may fitly be termed a tricke of fast and loose For if the Pope define a truth they may say he defined it as a publique person but if he define an error then say they he defined it as a priuate man Behold heere gentle Reader vppon what rotten stuffe the Papists would haue vs to ground our Fayth when we proue as I haue done elswhere that pope Anastasius pope Honorius pope Iohn pope Celestine and others haue both holden and taught false Doctrine they tell vs they did that as priuate men not as popes of Rome That their pope cannot erre in fayth iudiciallie it is this day with papists an Article of their fayth The famous papist Dominicus Scoto shal be the spokesman for the rest Albeit saith hee the Pope as Pope cannot Erre that is to say cannot set downe any Errour as an Article of our Fayth because the holy Ghost will not that permit neuerthelesse as hee is a priuate person so may he Erre euen in fayth as he may doe other sinnes But how old is this Romish Doctrine Of vvhat age is this strange Fayth Of this sâbiect I haue written at large in my Golden Ballance of Tryall This onely will I now say that this popish Article The Pope cannot Erre in fayth was neuer heard of in Christes Church for the space of 1500. yeeres Many famous papists I might alledge but one Alphonsus will suffice We doubt not saith he whether one man may be a Pope an hereticke both together For I beleeue there is none so shamelesse a flatterer of the Pope euer except our Iesuites and Iesuited Papists that will ascribe this vnto him that hee can neither Erre nor be deceiued in the exposition