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the_o unlearned_a know_v they_o to_o be_v sincere_a the_o new_a translation_n late_o set_v forth_o by_o the_o king_n authority_n defend_v momus_n in_o his_o humour_n the_o subordination_n of_o mean_n chap._n 29._o touch_v the_o obscurity_n of_o the_o scripture_n the_o necessity_n of_o mean_n to_o be_v use_v for_o the_o understanding_n of_o the_o scripture_n prove_v not_o the_o obscurity_n tradition_n debar_v a_o council_n be_v above_o the_o pope_n the_o scripture_n of_o itself_o easy_a to_o all_o that_o use_v it_o as_o they_o shall_v the_o certain_a sense_n of_o the_o scripture_n and_o the_o assurance_n thereof_o be_v not_o by_o tradition_n chap._n 30._o touch_v the_o all-sufficiencie_n of_o scripture_n to_o the_o matter_n of_o faith_n it_o show_v itself_o to_o be_v god_n word_n luther_n deny_v s._n james_n epistle_n how_o the_o papist_n expound_v the_o light_n of_o the_o scripture_n what_o they_o and_o what_o we_o hold_v about_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n how_o express_a scripture_n be_v require_v chap._n 31._o wherein_o the_o place_n 2._o tim._n 3.15_o allege_a to_o prove_v the_o fullness_n and_o sufficiency_n of_o the_o scripture_n alone_o be_v expound_v and_o urge_v against_o the_o jesuite_n cavil_n chap._n 32._o touch_v private_a spirit_n that_o expound_v against_o the_o church_n such_o private_a exposition_n refuse_v by_o the_o protestant_n and_o yet_o the_o papist_n have_v no_o other_o all_o teach_n be_v to_o be_v examine_v even_o by_o private_a man_n certain_a proposition_n show_v how_o the_o church_n teach_v may_v be_v or_o may_v not_o be_v examine_v and_o refuse_v chap._n 33._o how_o a_o private_a man_n be_v assure_v he_o understand_v and_o believe_v aright_o touch_v the_o last_o and_o high_a resolution_n of_o faith_n luther_n reject_v the_o father_n occhams_n opinion_n that_o no_o man_n be_v tie_v to_o the_o pope_n or_o his_o counsel_n the_o beraean_o examine_v the_o doctrine_n that_o they_o be_v teach_v the_o faith_n of_o the_o believer_n rest_v upon_o divine_a infuse_a light_n m._n luther_n seek_v reformation_n with_o all_o humility_n scripture_n be_v the_o ground_n of_o true_a assurance_n who_o the_o pastor_n be_v of_o who_o luther_n learn_v his_o faith_n his_o conference_n with_o the_o devil_n by_o the_o church_n the_o papist_n mean_v only_o the_o pope_n chap._n 34._o the_o papist_n pretend_v the_o church_n have_v a_o further_a meaning_n than_o the_o vulgar_a know_v the_o pope_n will_n be_v make_v the_o church_n act_n base_a tradition_n expound_v to_o be_v divine_a truth_n chap._n 35._o the_o papist_n pretend_v the_o church_n mean_v only_o the_o pope_n how_o and_o in_o what_o sense_n they_o understand_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o apostle_n to_o be_v the_o rule_n of_o faith_n they_o hold_v that_o the_o pope_n may_v make_v new_a article_n of_o faith_n and_o that_o the_o scripture_n receive_v authority_n from_o he_o unlearned_a man_n may_v see_v the_o truth_n when_o the_o pope_n and_o his_o crew_n see_v it_o not_o and_o they_o may_v judge_v of_o that_o they_o teach_v the_o jesuite_n dare_v not_o answer_v direct_o chap._n 36._o a_o entrance_n into_o the_o question_n touch_v the_o visibilitie_n of_o the_o protestant_a church_n in_o the_o former_a age_n wherein_o it_o be_v brief_o show_v where_n and_o in_o who_o it_o be_v chap._n 37._o not_o the_o church_n but_o the_o scripture_n be_v the_o rule_n the_o question_n touch_v the_o visiblenesse_n of_o the_o church_n proceed_v of_o the_o militant_a church_n in_o what_o sense_n we_o say_v the_o militant_a church_n be_v sometime_o invisible_a the_o papist_n think_v the_o church_n shall_v be_v invisible_a in_o the_o time_n of_o antichrist_n their_o contradiction_n touch_v antichrist_n brief_o note_v chap._n 38._o the_o papist_n can_v prove_v the_o church_n to_o be_v always_o visible_a in_o that_o sense_n wherein_o we_o deny_v it_o the_o diverse_a consideration_n of_o the_o church_n distinguish_v his_o quarrel_n make_v for_o our_o doctrine_n touch_v the_o church_n several_a state_n answer_v the_o faithful_a only_o be_v true_a member_n of_o the_o church_n upon_o what_o occasion_n the_o question_n touch_v the_o visiblenesse_n of_o the_o church_n first_o begin_v chap._n 39_o the_o papist_n be_v enforce_v to_o yield_v the_o same_o that_o we_o say_v touch_v the_o invisiblenesse_n of_o the_o church_n their_o doctrine_n touch_v the_o time_n of_o antichrist_n reign_n and_o the_o state_n of_o the_o militant_a church_n at_o some_o time_n argument_n for_o the_o perpetual_a visiblenesse_n of_o the_o church_n answer_v in_o who_o the_o true_a church_n consist_v before_o luther_n time_n chap._n 40._o again_o touch_v the_o visiblenesse_n of_o the_o church_n and_o in_o what_o sense_n we_o say_v it_o be_v invisible_a many_o thing_n innovate_v in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n the_o complaint_n of_o vbertine_n and_o jerome_n of_o ferrara_n all_o the_o protestant_n faith_n be_v preserve_v in_o the_o midst_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n a_o jest_n of_o the_o terinthians_n what_o religion_n have_v breed_v desperation_n chap._n 41._o a_o narration_n of_o a_o popish_a doctor_n and_o professor_n of_o divinity_n in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n translate_v out_o of_o acosta_n the_o temp_n novissimis_fw-la lib._n 2._o cap._n 11._o and_o maiolus_n die_v canicul_fw-la tom_fw-mi 2._o pag._n 89._o and_o insert_v for_o answer_v to_o that_o wherewith_o the_o jesuite_n reproach_n our_o church_n in_o the_o last_o word_n of_o his_o precedent_a reply_n chap._n 42._o a_o objection_n against_o the_o repliars_n catalogue_n diverse_a article_n condemn_v by_o the_o father_n mention_v in_o the_o catalogue_n that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n now_o use_v what_o consent_n there_o be_v between_o antiquity_n and_o papistry_n chap._n 43._o whatsoever_o the_o father_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n believe_v be_v express_v in_o their_o book_n the_o repliar_a be_v drive_v to_o say_v they_o hold_v much_o of_o his_o religion_n only_o implicit_o what_o implicit_a faith_n be_v according_a to_o the_o papist_n the_o death_n of_o zeuxis_n the_o father_n writ_n that_o which_o can_v stand_v with_o papistry_n chap._n 44._o the_o whole_a christian_a faith_n deliver_v to_o the_o church_n have_v succeed_v in_o all_o age_n yet_o many_o corruption_n have_v sometime_o be_v add_v how_o and_o in_o what_o sense_n the_o church_n may_v err_v a_o catalogue_n assign_v of_o those_o in_o who_o the_o protestant_n faith_n always_o remain_v what_o be_v require_v to_o the_o reason_n of_o succession_n chap._n 45._o the_o father_n be_v not_o against_o the_o protestant_n but_o with_o they_o touch_v the_o century_n reject_v of_o the_o father_n the_o cause_n of_o some_o error_n in_o the_o father_n gregory_n faith_n and_o convert_n england_n the_o papist_n have_v be_v formal_a innovator_n how_o they_o excuse_v the_o matter_n chap._n 46._o the_o error_n broach_v by_o the_o late_a divine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n their_o error_n maintain_v by_o that_o church_n and_o 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the_o contrary_a chap._n 50._o touch_v service_n and_o prayer_n in_o a_o unknown_a language_n the_o text_n 1._o cor._n 14._o expound_v and_o defend_v against_o bellarmine_n the_o ancient_a church_n use_v prayer_n in_o a_o know_v language_n chap._n 51._o the_o church_n of_o rome_n against_o all_o antiquity_n forbid_v the_o lay_v people_n the_o use_n of_o the_o scripture_n in_o the_o vulgar_a language_n the_o shift_n use_v by_o the_o papist_n against_o read_v spiteful_a speech_n against_o it_o testimony_n of_o antiquity_n for_o it_o the_o repliars_n reason_n against_o it_o chap._n 52._o the_o marriage_n of_o priest_n and_o bishop_n lawful_a and_o allow_v by_o antiquity_n some_o example_n hereof_o in_o the_o ancient_a church_n the_o restraint_n hereof_o be_v a_o late_a corruption_n priest_n be_v marry_v even_o in_o these_o western_a part_n a_o thousand_o year_n after_o christ_n chap._n 53._o wherein_o be_v handle_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n touch_v the_o
we_o be_v prohibit_v in_o popish_a country_n that_o if_o any_o ignorant_a or_o malicious_a minister_n will_v false_o report_v what_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n hold_v yet_o they_o may_v hear_v the_o adversary_n tell_v their_o own_o tale_n have_v partly_o through_o their_o policy_n partly_o through_o the_o connivencie_n of_o the_o superior_a that_o liberty_n to_o publish_v their_o writing_n that_o ourselves_o have_v not_o much_o more_o next_o the_o minister_n of_o england_n both_o in_o their_o preach_n write_a and_o conference_n report_v the_o doctrine_n of_o papist_n as_o true_o as_o it_o be_v deliver_v in_o their_o own_o book_n and_o observe_v out_o of_o their_o conversation_n but_o many_o of_o they_o be_v so_o foul_a and_o vile_a that_o they_o may_v not_o endure_v the_o report_n and_o therefore_o when_o we_o mention_v they_o they_o deny_v they_o and_o be_v ashamed_a of_o they_o as_o many_o be_v of_o their_o bastard_n a_o evident_a example_n whereof_o the_o jesuite_n give_v in_o 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vives_z and_o himself_o think_v it_o may_v be_v hold_v safe_o nullum_fw-la in_fw-la hac_fw-la parte_fw-la discrimen_fw-la rimendum_fw-la videtur_fw-la si_fw-la quis_fw-la sibi_fw-la concessa_fw-la optione_n sententiam_fw-la hanc_fw-la vel_fw-la illam_fw-la obnixè_fw-la tucatur_fw-la pag._n 51._o andradius_n ut_fw-la quis_fw-la cum_fw-la deo_fw-la arctissimo_fw-la charitatis_fw-la iustitiaeque_fw-la vinculo_fw-la prioribus_fw-la illis_fw-la seculis_fw-la constringeretur_fw-la nullam_fw-la aliam_fw-la fidem_fw-la requirebat_fw-la paulus_n quam_fw-la credere_fw-la deum_fw-la esse_fw-la &_o inquirentium_fw-la se_fw-la munificentissimum_fw-la remuneratorem_fw-la esse_fw-la hanc_fw-la qui_fw-la accepta_fw-la à _fw-la rebus_fw-la creatis_fw-la disciplina_fw-la fuerint_fw-la consecuti_fw-la quid_fw-la est_fw-la quod_fw-la à _fw-la iustitiae_fw-la sinibus_fw-la excludantur_fw-la etc._n etc._n pag._n 290._o orth_n expl_n vega_n atque_fw-la hinc_fw-la persuaderi_fw-la potest_fw-la non_fw-la solum_fw-la iustificari_fw-la posse_fw-la homines_fw-la sed_fw-la &_o saluariâ—â—_n sine_fw-la fide_fw-la christi_fw-la explicita_fw-la cum_fw-la haberi_fw-la possit_fw-la ignorantia_fw-la invincibilis_fw-la
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those_o thing_n that_o be_v write_v in_o the_o scripture_n or_o to_o bring_v in_o any_o thing_n that_o be_v not_o write_v of_o image_n epiphanius_n jerosol_n epiphanius_n ep._n ad_fw-la joh._n jerosol_n say_v it_o be_v against_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o scripture_n that_o the_o image_n of_o a_o man_n shall_v hang_v in_o the_o church_n and_o 〈◊〉_d and_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o make_n of_o statue_n resemble_v the_o image_n of_o the_o dead_a he_o call_v a_o idolatrous_a and_o a_o devilish_a practice_n and_o speak_v of_o worship_v the_o image_n of_o the_o bless_a virgin_n which_o now_o be_v so_o common_o see_v paint_v and_o attire_v 253._o attire_v pingitur_fw-la cincinnis_fw-la exculta_fw-la vestibus_fw-la ornatissimis_fw-la &_o pompa_fw-la adeo_fw-la inani_fw-la structa_fw-la ut_fw-la illi_fw-la etiam_fw-la uniones_fw-la ab_fw-la auribus_fw-la pendeant_fw-la quod_fw-la nemo_fw-la possit_fw-la sine_fw-la stomacho_fw-la aspicere_fw-la paleot_fw-la de_fw-fr imag_n pag._n 253._o in_o the_o fashion_n like_o a_o lady_n yea_o 23._o yea_o vestientes_fw-la dominam_fw-la nostram_fw-la &_o magdalenam_fw-la &_o alius_fw-la sanctas_fw-la ornamentis_fw-la profanis_fw-la &_o vanis_fw-la ac_fw-la meretricijs_fw-la quibus_fw-la etiam_fw-la pudicae_fw-la matronae_fw-la seize_v vestire_fw-la vererentur_fw-la navarre_n manual_a c._n 11._o n._n 23._o like_o a_o courtesan_n and_o keep_v such_o a_o court_n at_o lauretto_n in_o the_o same_o place_n where_o 428._o where_o leand._n albert_n descript_n ital._n in_o picen_n pag._n 428._o sometime_o juno_n keep_v she_o he_o add_v that_o thereby_o man_n be_v draw_v a_o whore_v from_o god_n the_o body_n of_o mary_n be_v holy_a but_o not_o god_n and_o she_o a_o honourable_a virgin_n but_o not_o give_v to_o be_v adore_v but_o herself_o adore_v he_o that_o she_o bear_v in_o her_o womb_n of_o the_o supremacy_n which_o now_o the_o pope_n use_v over_o all_o other_o bishop_n gregory_n who_o in_o his_o three_o argument_n the_o repliar_a say_v profess_v his_o religion_n 30._o religion_n lib_fw-la 6._o ep_n 30._o say_v he_o will_v confident_o avouch_v he_o to_o be_v the_o forerunner_n of_o antichrist_n whosoever_o he_o be_v that_o desire_v to_o be_v call_v universal_a bishop_n proud_o prefer_v himself_o before_o other_o of_o image_n of_o the_o trinity_n gregory_n the_o second_o imp._n second_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d epist_n ad_fw-la leo._n isaur_n imp._n say_v they_o may_v not_o be_v make_v of_o purgatory_n it_o be_v clear_a that_o the_o greek_a church_n never_o believe_v it_o so_o say_v nilus_n 1._o nilus_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d nil_fw-la de_fw-fr purgat_fw-la p._n 118._o l._n 1._o our_o father_n never_o teach_v we_o purgatory_n neither_o do_v the_o eastern_a church_n ever_o believe_v it_o roffensis_n 18._o roffensis_n artic._n 18._o no_o man_n now_o doubt_v of_o purgatory_n and_o yet_o among_o the_o ancient_a there_o be_v little_a or_o no_o mention_n make_v of_o it_o yea_o the_o greek_n to_o this_o day_n believe_v it_o not_o and_o the_o latin_n have_v not_o with_o one_o consent_n conceive_v the_o truth_n of_o this_o thing_n for_o the_o belief_n of_o purgatory_n be_v not_o so_o needful_a for_o the_o primitive_a church_n as_o now_o it_o be_v of_o the_o number_n of_o sacrament_n which_o 1._o which_o trid._n conc_fw-fr sess_v 7._o can_n 1._o our_o adversary_n will_v needs_o have_v to_o be_v seven_o cassander_n sacram_fw-la cassander_n consult_v art_n 13._o §._o de_fw-fr numero_fw-la sacram_fw-la say_v we_o do_v not_o read_v the_o other_o sacrament_n confirmation_n matrimony_n order_n penance_n unction_n by_o those_o ancient_a writer_n to_o be_v comprehend_v in_o any_o certain_a number_n nor_o shall_v you_o hasty_o find_v any_o before_o peter_n lombard_n that_o determine_v any_o certain_a or_o definite_a number_n of_o they_o of_o the_o people_n receive_v the_o cup_n in_o the_o sacrament_n venet._n sacrament_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n clen_n con_v p_o 145._o venet._n the_o constitution_n of_o clemens_n say_v let_v the_o whole_a laity_n in_o order_n with_o fear_n and_o reverence_n receive_v the_o cup._n by_o which_o few_o example_n the_o reader_n may_v discern_v how_o untrue_a it_o be_v that_o coccius_n have_v particular_o set_v down_o point_n by_o point_n the_o ancient_a father_n with_o unanime_fw-la consent_n against_o the_o protestant_n who_o have_v bring_v nothing_o out_o of_o they_o to_o that_o purpose_n which_o be_v not_o clear_o and_o sufficient_o answer_v by_o problema_fw-la by_o in_o the_o most_o weighty_a controversy_n he_o be_v answer_v by_o m._n perkins_n in_o his_o problema_fw-la our_o divine_n in_o every_o controversy_n 2_o his_o second_o argument_n be_v the_o testimony_n of_o those_o that_o write_v the_o century_n who_o be_v themselves_o famous_a protestant_n testify_v this_o to_o be_v so_o in_o many_o point_n this_o argument_n be_v object_v in_o 47._o in_o the_o way_n §._o 44_o &_o digr_n 47._o his_o treatise_n and_o full_o answer_v and_o therefore_o shall_v not_o have_v be_v repeat_v again_o before_o my_o answer_n have_v be_v avoid_v yet_o a_o little_a i_o will_v satisfy_v he_o first_o if_o the_o magdeburgenses_n acknowledge_v the_o father_n in_o many_o point_n to_o be_v for_o the_o papist_n which_o they_o no_o where_n do_v yet_o that_o be_v not_o all_o the_o father_n with_o unanime_fw-la consent_n point_n by_o point_n in_o all_o point_n some_o particular_a father_n the_o repliar_a know_v well_o enough_o speak_v that_o which_o have_v no_o unanime_fw-la consent_n of_o the_o rest_n and_o their_o private_a opinion_n may_v give_v colour_n to_o many_o thing_n and_o yet_o will_v not_o reach_v from_o point_n to_o point_n next_o it_o be_v false_a that_o be_v here_o report_v of_o the_o century_n they_o testify_v no_o more_o but_o what_o they_o think_v that_o father_n hold_v corrupt_o and_o themselves_o judge_v to_o be_v error_n and_o blemish_n in_o their_o writing_n there_o be_v no_o romish_a writer_n at_o this_o day_n but_o he_o do_v the_o same_o baronius_n in_o his_o annal_n purposely_o intend_v against_o the_o century_n have_v not_o leave_v one_o father_n or_o one_o ancient_a history_n uncensured_a but_o still_o charge_v it_o with_o some_o error_n and_o blemish_n or_o other_o but_o my_o adversary_n say_v the_o thing_n which_o the_o century_n say_v be_v blemish_n in_o the_o father_n be_v such_o point_n as_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n now_o hold_v whereby_o it_o shall_v seem_v that_o in_o many_o thing_n they_o testify_v with_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n against_o the_o protestant_n i_o answer_v first_o that_o in_o some_o point_n as_o the_o diligent_a that_o be_v may_v sometime_o oversee_v and_o now_o and_o then_o they_o mistake_v and_o call_v that_o the_o opinion_n or_o the_o error_n of_o a_o father_n that_o be_v not_o this_o kind_n of_o oversight_n we_o perceive_v and_o pardon_v in_o our_o adversary_n themselves_o second_o diverse_a thing_n note_v by_o they_o for_o error_n in_o the_o father_n be_v not_o hold_v by_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n but_o be_v censure_v also_o by_o our_o adversary_n themselves_o as_o well_o as_o by_o the_o century_n three_o diverse_a point_n in_o particular_a father_n be_v tax_v which_o belong_v to_o that_o which_o be_v now_o hold_v in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n but_o this_o justify_v not_o the_o papist_n first_o because_o in_o such_o point_n there_o be_v no_o unanime_fw-la consent_n of_o all_o the_o father_n or_o all_o the_o church_n but_o only_o the_o unsettle_a and_o ambulatory_a opinion_n of_o some_o private_a doctor_n next_o what_o these_o doctor_n deliver_v touch_v such_o point_n be_v hold_v otherwise_o and_o to_o other_o intent_n and_o purpose_n now_o in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n as_o their_o pray_v for_o the_o dead_a which_o the_o century_n just_o note_v for_o a_o blemish_n be_v not_o with_o opinion_n of_o purgatory_n as_o now_o it_o be_v in_o rome_n three_o the_o mystery_n of_o iniquity_n begin_v to_o work_v in_o the_o primitive_a church_n whereby_o the_o father_n themselves_o though_o bishop_n of_o the_o church_n and_o most_o holy_a man_n yet_o but_o man_n sometime_o be_v deceive_v and_o bring_v into_o error_n in_o some_o thing_n thus_o it_o be_v write_v of_o papias_n 6._o papias_n baron_fw-fr a_o 118_o n._n 2._o &_o 6._o a_o bishop_n of_o great_a authority_n in_o the_o church_n and_o famous_a for_o the_o holiness_n of_o his_o life_n that_o by_o misunderstand_v 20.4_o misunderstand_v apoc._n 20.4_o a_o text_n in_o the_o revelation_n 18._o revelation_n prateol_n elench_v haeret_fw-la l._n 3._o n._n 17._o hiero._n de_fw-fr scripto_fw-la c._n 18._o he_o give_v occasion_n of_o the_o millenary_a heresy_n afterward_o condemn_v in_o the_o church_n yet_o his_o credit_n and_o estimation_n be_v such_o that_o many_o great_a man_n follow_v he_o nepos_n irenaeus_n victorinus_n tertullian_n lactantius_n apollinarius_n coration_n and_o diverse_a other_o for_o be_v a_o man_n as_o ult._n as_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d euseb_n hist_o eccle_n l._n 3._o c._n ult._n eusebius_n say_v
down_o all_o with_o his_o hand_n and_o fight_v with_o jupiter_n with_o his_o new_a term_n and_o large_a explication_n he_o conjure_v the_o old_a faith_n out_o of_o the_o church_n his_o golden_a vincentius_n have_v another_o point_n to_o this_o purpose_n that_o the_o repliar_a oversee_n 30_o oversee_n monitor_n c._n 30_o it_o be_v lawful_a that_o those_o ancient_a article_n of_o heavenly_a doctrine_n be_v dress_v and_o file_v and_o polish_a but_o villainy_n to_o change_v they_o villainy_n to_o maim_n and_o curtail_v they_o let_v they_o receive_v if_o you_o will_v evidence_n light_n distinction_n but_o withal_o let_v they_o hold_v their_o fullness_n integrity_n and_o propriety_n this_o rule_n the_o church_n of_o rome_n have_v not_o observe_v but_o contrary_a thereunto_o it_o have_v not_o only_o expound_v the_o article_n of_o the_o ancient_a faith_n corrupt_o but_o also_o add_v many_o new_a article_n which_o in_o the_o ancient_a church_n be_v never_o know_v chap._n xlvi_o 1_o the_o error_n broach_v by_o the_o late_a divine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n 2_o their_o error_n maintain_v by_o that_o church_n and_o their_o writing_n to_o good_a purpose_n allege_v by_o the_o protestant_n 3_o how_o that_o which_o they_o speak_v for_o the_o protestant_n be_v shift_v off_o 5_o one_o reason_n why_o we_o allege_v their_o say_n 6_o that_o which_o be_v say_v in_o excuse_n of_o their_o disagreement_n answer_v a._n d._n the_o second_o objection_n my_o adversary_n may_v second_o object_n that_o all_o this_o notwithstanding_o it_o can_v be_v deny_v 274._o pag._n 274._o but_o that_o in_o particular_a man_n writing_n set_v out_o in_o these_o latter_a age_n there_o have_v be_v &_o be_v find_v diverse_a error_n contrary_a to_o the_o former_a faith_n of_o the_o father_n to_o justify_v the_o truth_n of_o this_o objection_n it_o seem_v that_o m._n white_n have_v with_o great_a pain_n rake_v together_o all_o the_o riff-raff_a and_o odd_a opinion_n he_o can_v find_v in_o any_o particular_a catholic_a author_n as_o think_v be_v like_o this_o way_n to_o discredit_v the_o catholic_a cause_n but_o he_o be_v very_o shallow_a witted_a if_o he_o think_v by_o this_o mean_n to_o overthrow_n or_o shake_v the_o universal_a faith_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n 3._o introduct_n quest_n 3._o for_o as_o i_o note_v in_o the_o introduction_n the_o catholic_a church_n do_v not_o bind_v her_o faith_n upon_o any_o private_a doctor_n opinion_n nor_o indeed_o do_v those_o private_a doctor_n deliver_v their_o say_a opinion_n as_o any_o point_n of_o their_o own_o or_o other_o man_n faith_n even_o then_o when_o in_o these_o their_o private_a opinion_n they_o hold_v this_o or_o that_o matter_n to_o pertain_v to_o faith_n which_o other_o man_n think_v not_o to_o pertain_v to_o faith_n but_o rather_o submit_v all_o their_o opinion_n as_o heretical_a doctor_n which_o have_v no_o faith_n but_o private_a opinion_n will_v not_o to_o the_o faith_n judgement_n and_o censure_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n be_v also_o ready_a to_o renounce_v any_o of_o their_o opinion_n whensoever_o by_o lawful_a definitive_a sentence_n of_o the_o present_a pastor_n or_o otherwise_o they_o may_v perceive_v they_o to_o be_v contrary_a to_o the_o ancient_a faith_n of_o the_o church_n hence_o m._n white_n may_v see_v how_o vain_o he_o have_v spend_v his_o time_n in_o seek_v the_o sink_v and_o sweep_v together_o so_o many_o odd_a sentence_n of_o some_o catholic_a author_n as_o here_o and_o there_o he_o note_v in_o his_o writing_n the_o which_o have_v no_o more_o force_n against_o the_o sincere_a unity_n of_o doctrine_n of_o faith_n maintain_v by_o the_o authority_n of_o our_o church_n than_o that_o heap_n of_o filth_n and_o ordure_n of_o ill_a life_n of_o some_o particular_a man_n which_o he_o have_v scrape_v together_o do_v prove_v against_o the_o sanctity_n of_o the_o profession_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n and_o it_o be_v marvel_n that_o the_o man_n have_v so_o little_a wit_n as_o to_o labour_v so_o much_o either_o in_o show_v the_o contrariety_n of_o opinion_n among_o catholic_n which_o altogether_o be_v impertinent_a to_o the_o unity_n of_o their_o faith_n or_o in_o discover_v the_o fault_n of_o some_o lewd_a person_n which_o be_v altogether_o impertinent_a to_o the_o sanctity_n of_o the_o profession_n of_o the_o church_n especial_o when_o if_o he_o do_v but_o look_v into_o the_o bosom_n of_o his_o own_o protestant_a congregation_n and_o particular_o into_o the_o life_n and_o doctrine_n of_o the_o very_a primitive_a parent_n thereof_o he_o may_v find_v it_o no_o less_o but_o all_o circumstance_n consider_v namely_o of_o the_o smallness_n of_o the_o number_n of_o man_n and_o the_o little_a space_n of_o time_n since_o it_o come_v into_o the_o world_n etc._n etc._n far_o more_o faulty_a in_o either_o kind_n and_o so_o he_o ought_v to_o have_v be_v afraid_a lest_o when_o he_o have_v say_v all_o against_o catholic_n that_o his_o blind_a zeal_n or_o malice_n can_v 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