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antiquity_n reject_v sundry_a point_n which_o the_o major_a and_o sound_a part_n of_o the_o ancient_a father_n do_v teach_v in_o the_o church_n hâ—jusmodi_fw-la church_n wadding_n legate_n the_o concep_n virg._n mariae_fw-la sect._n 2._o orat_fw-la 9_o §._o 6._o mâ—â—_n 31._o â—lures_fw-la sunt_fw-la &_o graviores_fw-la ij_o quos_fw-la supra_fw-la retuli_fw-la contra_fw-la quos_fw-la cum_fw-la alijâ—_n definitum_fw-la est_fw-la circa_fw-la animaâ—uâ—_n ante_fw-la diâ—m_fw-la judicij_fw-la beatitudâ—â—em_fw-la plures_fw-la &_o gra_fw-mi viores_fw-la contra_fw-la quos_fw-la docet_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la aâ—gelos_n esse_fw-la spirituales_fw-la plures_fw-la &_o graviores_fw-la contra_fw-la quos_fw-la â—el_a quibus_fw-la dubitantibus_fw-la dâ—_n varijs_fw-la libris_fw-la &_o scripture_n canonicis_fw-la â—oâ—umque_fw-la editionibus_fw-la plâ—tâ—_n sunt_fw-la statuta_fw-la ab_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la multi_fw-la &_o grave_n sunt_fw-la quos_fw-la quidam_fw-la citant_fw-la â—t_a volunt_fw-la 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